YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 397

Klazu · #**7921** Posted **Sep 16, 2015, 4:27 PM**

I think one problem Singapore has is that flying from Vancouver it doesn't offer more direct transit to any major cities. Most of the cities in that part of the world are better served by transiting through other Asian cities. Singapore would mostly be a destination city from Vancouver and I don't know if there is enough traffic for that.

It used to be different when we didn't yet have so many flights to other Asian cities.

Klazu · #**7922** Posted **Sep 16, 2015, 4:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Large Cat

Not sure if posted here yet, but Westjet just announced seasonal London Vancouver flights starting at 199 each way.

I think it was $199 from St John's and $299 from Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. And it is one way, so really $600/return, which is still okay, but not that spectacular.

trofirhen · #**7923** Posted **Sep 16, 2015, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

I think one problem Singapore has is that flying from Vancouver it doesn't offer more direct transit to any major cities. Most of the cities in that part of the world are better served by transiting through other Asian cities. Singapore would mostly be a destination city from Vancouver and I don't know if there is enough traffic for that.

It used to be different when we didn't yet have so many flights to other Asian cities.

A great connection for YVR would be IST, but due to the limitations of the bilateral with Turkey, Toronto has that one locked down.
A shame, becuase it would serve YVR much better than DBX.

trofirhen · #**7924** Posted **Sep 16, 2015, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

I think it was $199 from St John's and $299 from Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. And it is one way, so really $600/return, which is still okay, but not that spectacular.

Not that spectacular, eh!! Try CDG - YVR return!!! Well over twice that price!!

Klazu · #**7925** Posted **Sep 16, 2015, 6:06 PM**

Sure, but there have been similar bargain prices every now and then. It is nothing completely unheard of was my point.

Johnny Aussie · #**7926** Posted **Sep 16, 2015, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Sure, but there have been similar bargain prices every now and then. It is nothing completely unheard of was my point.

I think these intro fares also included peak summer? That's where the $600 return is really amazing.

I'm still surprised YVR was included in the launch and 6 weekly even more impressive. Even more than YYC. I would have expected something more like YVR and YEG shared a daily like 4/3 or 3/4 and YYC daily. But then thinking about it again and looking at the market stats YVR just couldn't be ignored as its European O&D is much larger than most people probably think.

Why else would the Summer 2016 European Scheds look like this for a city of 2.5 million and being the westernmost major city in Canada:

Sorry back to the codes again!!

LHR: Daily AC 77W HD; Daily BA 388
LGW: Daily TS 332; 6pw WS 76W
MAN: 2pw TS 332
GLA: 1pw TS 332
KEF: 3pw FI 75W
AMS: Daily KL 772; 3pw TS 332
CDG: 5pw AF 772; 3pw TS 332
FRA: Daily LH 744; 5pw DE 76W
MUC: Daily LH 333
ZRH: 3pw WK 332/333
FCO: 1pw TS 332

That's 74 flights per week... I'm impressed.

Some forum members seem obsessed with focussing on how screwed or how YVR is in some sort of danger of being caught in a downward spiral on verge of collapse. There also seems to be some sort of focus on how YVR is not being able to grow without South American connections. Ummm YVR seems to be just ticking along nicely folks. Even if the evil and wicked YYZ were to somehow "steal" all this traffic... How would this disadvantage YVR? Perhaps I am obsessed with showing the opposite. There are sooooo many positive things going on at YVR (just keep scrolling up and up and up) and I think the moves of many (yes many) airlines lately probably support the latter view. So I just don't get this obsession/fear.

Johnny Aussie · #**7927** Posted **Sep 17, 2015, 5:29 AM**

The good news just keeps rolling.... another airline just announced additional capacity next year....

Not surprisingly, Qantas will be back again next summer for its peak Northern Summer seasonal services. Summer 2016 will see an additional 7 return services compared to Summer 2015. I will assume QF has been more than satisfied with their YVR services.

The info is included in this press release towards the bottom.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-r...tralians-to-holiday-in-bali-this-summer/

Just waiting on the delivery of QF's 789s to what should lead to daily year-round SYD-YVR services.

trofirhen · #**7928** Posted **Sep 17, 2015, 5:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The good news just keeps rolling.... another airline just announced additional capacity next year....

Not surprisingly, Qantas will be back again next summer for its peak Northern Summer seasonal services. Summer 2016 will see an additional 7 return services compared to Summer 2015. I will assume QF has been more than satisfied with their YVR services.

The info is included in this press release towards the bottom.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-r...tralians-to-holiday-in-bali-this-summer/

Just waiting on the delivery of QF's 789s to what should lead to daily year-round SYD-YVR services.

Thanks, Johnny! Do you think QF will ever be interested in a YVR-MEL route, when they get their new 789s?

Johnny Aussie · #**7929** Posted **Sep 17, 2015, 7:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Thanks, Johnny! Do you think QF will ever be interested in a YVR-MEL route, when they get their new 789s?

They have publicly mentioned MEL-DFW as one of the new routes for their 789s. However, I think it would be awhile before we see a MEL-YVR nonstop on QF. SYD-YVR almost seems to be a sure thing if not the launch route or at least one of the launch routes.

Johnny Aussie · #**7930** Posted **Sep 17, 2015, 7:24 AM**

CA has just added seven additional round trips from PEK - YVR over the Xmas period and all will be on 77Ws.

These flights are of course in addition to the daily 77W afternoon departure from YVR.

Flights will operate on 17, 18, 20, 22 and 31 December and 1, 3 January.

Flight times as follows:

CA997 PEK1200 - 0600YVR 77W
CA998 YVR1000 - 1335PEK 77W

trofirhen · #**7931** Posted **Sep 17, 2015, 10:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Thanks, Johnny! Do you think QF will ever be interested in a YVR-MEL route, when they get their new 789s?

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

They have publicly mentioned MEL-DFW as one of the new routes for their 789s. However, I think it would be awhile before we see a MEL-YVR nonstop on QF. SYD-YVR almost seems to be a sure thing if not the launch route or at least one of the launch routes.

Interesting, as Melbourne is growing so fast, it is expected to become -once again - the largest city in Australia in 20 years +/-.
I wonder if in that case it would present an equally profitable market or not.

Johnny Aussie · #**7932** Posted **Sep 18, 2015, 9:32 AM**

http://www.jetlines.ca/inovent-capital-and-canada-jetlines-reach-settlement/

Canada Jetlines ordered to pay Inovent $105,000 and issue them warrants... Blah... Blah... Blah...

Skeptical as to this ever taking off.

And what about the other mobs NewLeaf or JetNaked... all gone quiet on the ULCC startup front....

CareerShow · #**7933** Posted **Sep 19, 2015, 9:25 PM**

Just saw on Wikipedia Alaska is ending their YVR LAX flight. Anyone know of any truth to this?

SpongeG · #**7934** Posted **Sep 20, 2015, 10:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

I think it was $199 from St John's and $299 from Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. And it is one way, so really $600/return, which is still okay, but not that spectacular.

the prices i saw showed, $299 from vancouver, $399 from edmonton and calgary

Johnny Aussie · #**7935** Posted **Sep 20, 2015, 11:03 AM**

On the load factor front all of YVR's UK routes performed very well.

Of course in peak summer, one would expect results along these lines:

YVR-LHR 97.4%
YVR-LGW 95.5%
YVR-MAN 93.0%
YVR-GLA 88.7%

Perhaps Westjet is on to something on YVR-LGW

Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_dat...015_Provisional_International_Routes.pdf

Johnny Aussie · #**7936** Posted **Sep 20, 2015, 11:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

the prices i saw showed, $299 from vancouver, $399 from edmonton and calgary

Klasu was correct.

It's all here in their press releases:

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/media-investors/index.shtml

$299 from YVR, YYC and YEG

trofirhen · #**7937** Posted **Sep 20, 2015, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Klasu was correct.

It's all here in their press releases:

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/media-investors/index.shtml

$299 from YVR, YYC and YEG

Sheesh, that is a bargain. Too bad they'll never do YVR-CDG (or even ORY, for that matter)

Chikinlittle · #**7938** Posted **Sep 20, 2015, 10:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

They have publicly mentioned MEL-DFW as one of the new routes for their 789s. However, I think it would be awhile before we see a MEL-YVR nonstop on QF. SYD-YVR almost seems to be a sure thing if not the launch route or at least one of the launch routes.

I would guess AC picks up MEL before QF starts any year-round service into YVR from any point in Aus.

Johnny Aussie · #**7939** Posted **Sep 21, 2015, 4:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chikinlittle

I would guess AC picks up MEL before QF starts any year-round service into YVR from any point in Aus.

I'll bet QF starts SYD-YVR year-round before AC starts MEL-YVR. Just a hunch.

Johnny Aussie · #**7940** Posted **Sep 21, 2015, 4:53 AM**

Good to see ANA continuing the 788 on YVR-HND for more of the winter now.

The flights were to revert back to a 763 for the entire winter schedule.

The 788 used on HND-YVR is configured with 240 seats 42J/198Y. The 763 is configured with 214 seats 35J/179Y.

The flight reverts back to a daily 763 effective 11 January through the rest of the winter.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/21/nh-yvr-w15update2/