YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

So another boost to China capacity.

According to Airlineroute.net on Twitter.... effective 27 March 2016 the daily YVR-CAN flight will be upgauged from a 788 to a four class 77W.

This is an increase of over 80 seats per flight, a larger J class cabin and the introduction of premium economy.

Makes me wonder how long Air Canada will let them have this route all to themselves....

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So another boost to China capacity.

According to Airlineroute.net on Twitter.... effective 27 March 2016 the daily YVR-CAN flight will be upgauged from a 788 to a four class 77W.

This is an increase of over 80 seats per flight, a larger J class cabin and the introduction of premium economy.

Makes me wonder how long Air Canada will let them have this route all to themselves....

Apparently, there is an upcoming AC YYZ-CAN route in the works. And this would connect directly to a roster
of AC flights to South America already in place. Makes me wonder if the Transit Hub dream for YVR will everbecome a reality, or if AC will siphon it all off through YYZ.
Excuse me for mentioning this yet again, but this would affect YVR Big Time, unless some South American carriers step in.
I sure hope we get LanChile, LanPeru, and something to Brazil: Avianca or such.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Apparently, there is an upcoming AC YYZ-CAN route in the works. And this would connect directly to a roster
of AC flights to South America already in place. Makes me wonder if the Transit Hub dream for YVR will everbecome a reality, or if AC will siphon it all off through YYZ.
Excuse me for mentioning this yet again, but this would affect YVR Big Time, unless some South American carriers step in.
I sure hope we get LanChile, LanPeru, and something to Brazil, Avianca or such.

I don't know if they have it yet, but Air Canada and Air China were trying to get permission to operate flights between Canada and China as a joint venture. Not certain if they have government approval yet.

[Johnny Aussie]

http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/14/ws-lgw-s16/

YYZ Daily 76W
YYT Daily 73W
YVR 6 weekly 76W
YYC 5 weekly 76W
YEG 2 weekly 76W
YWG 1 weekly 76W

I was actually a bit surprised about YVR-LGW and at 6 weekly even.

Although YVR-UK is by far the second largest Canada-UK market.

Summer 2016 YVR-Europe flying just saw another big boost in seats.

So far:
TS adding one additional flight per week to LGW (increases to daily)
TS launching once weekly YVR-FCO
Condor increasing YVR-FRA to 5 weekly
Westjet adding 6 weekly YVR-LGW

YVR-UK just recovered all its lost capacity and then added some from the BA shuffle... Daily A380 from 12 weekly 744.

And... basically international for YVR for 2016 is shaping up to be another excellent growth year already... along with the above:

AM starting its daily flights to MEX
AC starting its new BNE service next June
CZ upgauging YVR-CAN to a 77W
airlineroute update ---> http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/14/cz-yvr-s16/
MU and CA continuing their increases
HU to start TJS
QF will continue to expand its YVR-SYD flights
NZ increasing AKL to daily (seasonal)
BR increasing TPE to 5 weekly year round

Did I miss anything?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

I don't know if they have it yet, but Air Canada and Air China were trying to get permission to operate flights between Canada and China as a joint venture. Not certain if they have government approval yet.

I assume that would means flights to South America from YVR, too, or what?
It's the South American leg of the trips that concern me.
AC has it nailed down. Vancouver doesn't

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I assume that would means flights to South America from YVR, too, or what?
It's the South American leg of the trips that concern me.
AC has it nailed down. Vancouver doesn't

The AC-CA joint-venture means the two carriers will share revenues on all their flights between Canada and China. Last I heard it was supposed to begin end-2015. Re your question Trof, a codeshare agreement would allow Air China to put its code on Air Canada flights to Latin America, but this wouldn't be part of the JV.

I can't be bothered to check the terms of the air services agreement between Canada and China, but any Chinese carrier opting to fly beyond YVR to points in Latin America probably needs 5th freedom rights to make the route viable, which most likely isn't allowed at the moment (CA originally planned a tag to Havana on their new Montreal flight, but iirc, couldn't pick up paying passengers on the YUL-HAV leg)

My personal opinion is that these sorts of joint-ventures are great for the airlines, but reduce choice for consumers. And I doubt it'll help with a YVR link to Latin America. It's more likely to benefit YYZ

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

The AC-CA joint-venture means the two carriers will share revenues on all their flights between Canada and China. Last I heard it was supposed to begin end-2015. .........
My personal opinion is that these sorts of joint-ventures are great for the airlines, but reduce choice for consumers. And I doubt it'll help with a YVR link to Latin America. It's more likely to benefit YYZ

Exactly. This YVR China-South America Transit hub dream of Craig Richmond may well remain just that - a dream.
AC will do everything possible to funnel South America-bound passengers through YYZ, and unless South American airlines like TAM, LanPeru, Avianca, etc
step up to the plate at YVR, this TWV will do little or nothing for YVR.
And that makes me angry.

[MalcolmTucker]

The joint venture is more about getting more and better slots at PEK no?

[Johnny Aussie]

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/...-north-american-travelers-300141881.html

Just some updated news on Air NZ's YVR-AKL route.

Effective 25 October 2015, Air NZ will deploy its refurbished 777-200ERs on the YVR route. This will also introduce their Economy SkyCouch product and their updated premium economy product. It also highlights the seasonal increase to daily over the peak winter holidays period.

Their new products are being promoted as part of a roadshow of sorts called "Please to Seat You" with various stops around Vancouver and then on to other areas of North America.

[vanlaw]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/14/ws-lgw-s16/

YYZ Daily 76W
YYT Daily 73W
YVR 6 weekly 76W
YYC 5 weekly 76W
YEG 2 weekly 76W
YWG 1 weekly 76W

I was actually a bit surprised about YVR-LGW and at 6 weekly even.

Although YVR-UK is by far the second largest Canada-UK market.

Summer 2016 YVR-Europe flying just saw another big boost in seats.

So far:
TS adding one additional flight per week to LGW (increases to daily)
TS launching once weekly YVR-FCO
Condor increasing YVR-FRA to 5 weekly
Westjet adding 6 weekly YVR-LGW

YVR-UK just recovered all its lost capacity and then added some from the BA shuffle... Daily A380 from 12 weekly 744.

And... basically international for YVR for 2016 is shaping up to be another excellent growth year already... along with the above:

AM starting its daily flights to MEX
AC starting its new BNE service next June
CZ upgauging YVR-CAN to a 77W
airlineroute update ---> http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/14/cz-yvr-s16/
MU and CA continuing their increases
HU to start TJS
QF will continue to expand its YVR-SYD flights
NZ increasing AKL to daily (seasonal)
BR increasing TPE to 5 weekly year round

Did I miss anything?

I was just searching some random dates in June and July on Westjet's website for YVR-LGW. Sale price right now is around $750 return tax-in. Quite cheap for summer travel, and LGW is a great base for cheap Easyjet flights throughout Europe.

[trofirhen]

HU = Hainan Airlines. TJS = TANJUNG SELOR AIRPORT, Indonesia???? Is that correct or did I make a mistake?

[nname]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

HU = Hainan Airlines. TJS = TANJUNG SELOR AIRPORT, Indonesia???? Is that correct or did I make a mistake?

I think he meant TSN

[Johnny Aussie]

To quote Notting Hill.... "woopsy daisies"

Thanks for the heads up... Aaaannnddd

Corrected!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Did I miss anything?

According to Sing Tao Daily, ＭＦ will be starting XMN-YVR next year.

(Source in Chinese)

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nname

According to Sing Tao Daily, ＭＦ will be starting XMN-YVR next year.

(Source in Chinese)

Wow. YVR will be the only North American to get flights from Xiamen. Currently, their non-Chinese destinations include Manila, Tokyo, Seoul, Osaka, Singapore, with Amsterdam being the only European destination. YVR is going big time.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by nname

According to Sing Tao Daily, ＭＦ will be starting XMN-YVR next year.

(Source in Chinese)

This flight has been rumored for a while. Good to see it happening, if this article is accurate.

Key points from the article:
- Xiamen Airlines will open up direct access to Vancouver next year as its first North American route.
- There are some 70K people from the Fujian region living in metro Vancouver, offering a large potential market for these flights
- direct flights will eliminate the need to transit (citing HKG as the transit point) saving passengers up to 6 hours in travel time

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

According to Sing Tao Daily, ＭＦ will be starting XMN-YVR next year.

(Source in Chinese)

Tick... Another one!

So by next summer YVR could be served by:

Air China
China Eastern
China Southern
Sichuan
Hainan
Xiamen

With direct flights to:

Beijing
Shanghai
Guangzhou
Shenyang
Chengdu
Tianjin
Kunming
Xiamen

Like Hainan, haven't seen anything official yet but if this leak is true..... excellent!

Definitely has been in the works for awhile but hadn't heard anything in awhile.... fingers crossed.

[trofirhen]

So XIAMEN is both a destination city and and airline name. (?)

[osirisboy]

What's mf?

And it seems odd that there's no Singapore still (I know we had it before)

Thanks johnny for your info. And thank you for putting full names. It's hard trying to decipher a lot of these new cities and airlines lmao

[Large Cat]

Not sure if posted here yet, but Westjet just announced seasonal London Vancouver flights starting at 199 each way. Here's a pic of their 767 from their Twitter: