YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Since I like Johnny's format, and for once I beat him to the punch, I'm going to just flat out steal it

Another strong month for YVR, although it barely beat out a strong month of growth at nearby Calgary, which is a surprise given their economic woes.

Damn! See what happens when you fly too much... Now I'm in LA and having a ball watching the never ending action on the south runways from my hotel's exec lounge.

Yes, a very solid month of growth for YVR... another 2 million month (only the second month ever), another 1,000,000 domestic month (only the second month ever), another half a million transborder month (again, only the second month ever), total international smashed over 1,000,000 in July...Asia Pacific back in high gear, Europe continuing to turbo along... Domestic doing well. Every subcategory produced an excellent result in July. I just keep looking at the numbers and seeing more interesting observations. Domestic and International almost a 50/50 split.

I saw your comment about transborder but it is up over 28,000 in July from last year. That is almost an additional 1,000 pax per day so I'd say that is pretty good.

This is quite balanced growth across the board which continues to impress me anyway!

[trofirhen]

I'd love to know Seattle's relative per centages in comparison, to compare growth rates.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I'd love to know Seattle's relative per centages in comparison, to compare growth rates.

Sea-Tac is growing like crazy, YTD July shows passenger volumes up 13% to almost 24 million (www.portseattle.org/sea-tac).

Interestingly, though, international traffic only makes up 10% of SEA passengers compared with 50% at YVR. YTD July, YVR had almost 2.5x more international traffic than SEA.

I believe a lot of SEA's growth is due to (1) AS and DL fighting for market share, and (2) DL adding domestic connections to fill their Asia flights. I wonder how long this sort of growth can continue.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Kind of a shame that Vancouver-based CP AIR, at one time a competitor, then its Calgary-based succesor, Canadian, finally got taken over by AC.
But a country Canada's pop. size can only really support one major world airline.

Maybe. I think it could support two, based on size alone. However, it's our proximity to the US which has a glut of airlines and destination that make it more difficult to have two major airlines in Canada. Although WestJet is slowly on its way to competing with Air Canada.

[Johnny Aussie]

As the winter schedules keep on updating....

Rouge will be flying to PSP six days per week this winter, this is an increase from three per week from last winter.

Flights will depart YVR daily except Saturdays at 1110.

Sooooo... rouge is expanding HNL, OGG, KOA, CUN and now PSP as well this winter.

Perhaps rouge is pleased with its YVR operations.

[Johnny Aussie]

Condor will add a fifth weekly flight on the FRA-YVR route next summer. This is one additional weekly flight compared to this summer.

Flights will operate on days 1-34-67. All flights will depart late afternoons or early evenings with a mumbo jumbo of times.

https://www.condor.com/eu/search_flightp...tion=ALL_AIRPORTS&season=S2016&x=85&y=13

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Maybe. I think it could support two, based on size alone. However, it's our proximity to the US which has a glut of airlines and destination that make it more difficult to have two major airlines in Canada. Although WestJet is slowly on its way to competing with Air Canada.

On the domestic front, it seems to be competing head-on already.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As the winter schedules keep on updating....

Rouge will be flying to PSP six days per week this winter, this is an increase from three per week from last winter.

Flights will depart YVR daily except Saturdays at 1110.

Sooooo... rouge is expanding HNL, OGG, KOA, CUN and now PSP as well this winter.

Perhaps rouge is pleased with its YVR operations.

Yet still no SAN.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Derek

Yet still no SAN.

Yeah, that beats me, too. AC had direct YVR-SAN service for a while, but now one has to change planes at LAX again. Dunno what gives in that department.

[sacrifice333]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

Lots to do in Atlanta
Coca Cola Museum
CNN Center
Stone Mountain
Catch a Braves Game
Depending where you are staying the rapid transit system is very good. I rarely need a car when i go

Bring your camera of course as its hometown of the architect John Portman (Peachtree Center) and lots of churches (its the south LOL) . If you venture to the mountains in the north, its very scenic...ie Gainesville (GA not FL). Dont be surprised to see people with gun strapped to them in the countryside. Its an open carry state.

Don't forget the Georgia Aquarium. #WhaleSharks!!!

[Cage]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yeah, that beats me, too. AC had direct YVR-SAN service for a while, but now one has to change planes at LAX again. Dunno what gives in that department.

YVR-SAN has been tried a few times by both CP and now AC, each time there has been little sucess in the adventure. The bigger baffling thing is op how WS is able to make a go of it in SAN.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Cage

YVR-SAN has been tried a few times by both CP and now AC, each time there has been little sucess in the adventure. The bigger baffling thing is op how WS is able to make a go of it in SAN.

There's no doubt in my mind that AC could throw a Rouge 319 on the route and have it be profitable, especially now that the economy is picking back up. How could there possibly be that much demand to PSP but not SAN? I understand all the old folks going there for the winter, but PSP shouldn't be drawing more tourists than SAN. I'm not in the industry and I'm just pulling all of these words out of my ass, but YVR-SAN makes way more sense than YYZ-SAN. I don't even live in San Diego any more so it's not even very relevant to me but damn it I want this route back! I flew it all the time when I lived in SAN back when it was an E190 and the flights were always full. I know that full doesn't necessarily mean profitable, but there is certainly some demand for it.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Cage

YVR-SAN has been tried a few times by both CP and now AC, each time there has been little sucess in the adventure. The bigger baffling thing is op how WS is able to make a go of it in SAN.

Yea, Westjet does YYC-SAN, so why not YVR-SAN? There's a market there, surely.

[AForce]

Im not sure if this has been mentioned that YVR is paving Grant MConachie Way and Miller rd this month.

[casper]

Any thoughts on the plan for Air Canada to turn Vancouver into a supplemental hub to Toronto focused on Asia-Pacific.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress.c...ans-to-increase-connectivity-at-toronto/

It Air Canada and Air China obtain approval to operate as a joint venture. I wonder if that would mean serving Air China's other hub Chengdu from Vancouver.

[Johnny Aussie]

Air Transat to launch once weekly nonstop YVR - FCO service next summer.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/03/ts-yvrfco-jun16/

TS544 YVR1340 - 1000+1FCO Fridays
TS545 FCO1145 - 1455YVR Saturdays

This route was last served in summer 2010 via LGW and in 2009 via BCN.
In 2010 TS planned to do a YVR-FCO-ATH route, however, ATH was dropped and FCO was instead routed through LGW.
I understand this is the first non-stop YVR-FCO.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

Any thoughts on the plan for Air Canada to turn Vancouver into a supplemental hub to Toronto focused on Asia-Pacific.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress.c...ans-to-increase-connectivity-at-toronto/

It Air Canada and Air China obtain approval to operate as a joint venture. I wonder if that would mean serving Air China's other hub Chengdu from Vancouver.

Looking at this, it leaves me wondering if this means a step up or a step down for YVR.
It seems Air Canada wants YYZ to be another LHR or DBX, and it seems that YYZ is geographically located to exploit that, but is New York - with its 3 main airports - not already a major global North American hub? And what about ORD?
So, if YYZ becomes a major global hub (and it already seems as if it is, or at least en route to becoming one), does this mean mean YVR gaining, remaing at current status with, or losing out to YYZ? That is what I would like to know. Additionally, would this mean less connecting traffic to South America from YVR, or not?

Although Air Canada has both DBX and DEL from YYZ coming up, it has also discontinued a number of destinations, in the USA, Europe, and Asia / Oceania
as shown in the Wikipedia AC destination list, assuming it is up-to-date. (The entire plan seems rather a large expansion of the status quo routes division.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_destinations

[Johnny Aussie]

Transat will add an additional flight per week on the YVR-LGW route which will increase that route to daily for the summer season.

With this addition and the new nonstop FCO flight, Air Transat is now expected to have 17 flights per week to six destinations from YVR - Europe next summer.

2016 is looking pretty good for additional international services so far.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by casper

Any thoughts on the plan for Air Canada to turn Vancouver into a supplemental hub to Toronto focused on Asia-Pacific.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress.c...ans-to-increase-connectivity-at-toronto/

It Air Canada and Air China obtain approval to operate as a joint venture. I wonder if that would mean serving Air China's other hub Chengdu from Vancouver.

This news is from a recent AC presentation at the BoydGroup International Aviation Summit in Las Vegas (http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/presentations/documents/ben_smith_las_vegas_aug312015.pdf)

What is interesting is slide 8 describing network opportunities in 2018. All speculative, but it's interesting to see AC's thinking on possible new routes from YVR: BKK, SIN, TPE, CAN, CTS and NGO in Asia; MEL and AKL in Oceania; CDG and FRA in Europe. No destinations in Latin America.

Will be interesting to see how many of these routes will actually be launched.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

This news is from a recent AC presentation at the BoydGroup International Aviation Summit in Las Vegas (http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/presentations/documents/ben_smith_las_vegas_aug312015.pdf)

What is interesting is slide 8 describing network opportunities in 2018. All speculative, but it's interesting to see AC's thinking on possible new routes from YVR: BKK, SIN, TPE, CAN, CTS and NGO in Asia; MEL and AKL in Oceania; CDG and FRA in Europe. No destinations in Latin America.

Will be interesting to see how many of these routes will actually be launched.

I'm 99.44% sure this will remain the domain of YYZ, even with TWOV out of YVR.

..... (later) .... in fact, looking at the link, it clearly states that indeed, YYZ is to be THE connector to South and Central America.
If we are to have TWOV, this means that South American airlines will have to fill the gap for Vancouver.
The real question is; are any interested? Despite Craig Richmond's certainty, will this come about?