New Downtown Calgary Arena - Page 128

suburbia · #**2541** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riise

Generating a traffic mess on the fringe of the city does constitute a planning failure. Thanks Rocky View!

I've never witnessed it being a traffic failure actually. I've seen it packed to the brim no doubt. Possibly on boxing day or the like (when I don't actually go there) but if that's the day you're talking about, there are a few places that are ridiculous at that time. Anyway, back on topic please.

suburbia · #**2542** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Innersoul1

Creosote contamination at proposed arena site to be studied

ANNALISE KLINGBEIL, CALGARY HERALD
More from Annalise Klingbeil, Calgary Herald
August 16, 2015

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news...ion-at-proposed-arena-site-to-be-studied

"Calgary Municipal Land Corp. (CMLC) is busy hiring a consultant for an environmental review of the area, but the bigger question — aside from the extent of the creosote damage — is who will pay the multimillion-dollar cleanup tab."

I find the timing of all of this to be very interesting. A piece of land that has been relatively out of the spotlight is all of the sudden mentioned by a sports franchise and the land owners are rushing to seek consultation on clean-up? I am VERY intrigued.

It may actually be a set-up to justify NOT putting it West Village. Where do you think there are thinking is a possible alternate?

Things may be completely opposite of what we may think. It is possible the city *wants* it in West Village, but the owners do not.

MalcolmTucker · #**2543** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:44 PM**

If you're over a certain height McMahon is pretty uncomfortable to sit in. I don't think you could make it much better without major work on the concrete bleachers.

MalcolmTucker · #**2544** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

It may actually be a set-up to justify NOT putting it West Village. Where do you think there are thinking is a possible alternate?

Things may be completely opposite of what we may think. It is possible the city *wants* it in West Village, but the owners do not.

Eventually it has to be cleaned up. It probably is cheaper to act earlier, especially if there is current flow of contaminants.

red_179 · #**2545** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just curious as I haven't been in McMahon in years...how bad is it? Would it be cheaper just to retrofit the place? I mean a stadium is just a field with bleachers. If they need more concourse area couldn't they just add 25m or whatever to the outside?

McMahon is terrible, after the new stadium in Regina is ready, it's probably the worst in the CFL. The degree of retrofitting that would be necessary would be very significant and since the Flames/Stamps don't own McMahon, it would be unlikely for them to pour money into it. Having their own building with more luxury suites, parking revenue, upgraded concessions, and protection from weather will allow them to make a lot more revenue, than a retrofitted McMahon would.

Fuzz · #**2546** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:51 PM**

OK, thanks guys.

craner · #**2547** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 11:47 PM**

A new stadium is a much bigger need than a new arena IMO.

McMurph · #**2548** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 1:27 AM**

It will be interesting to see what the U of C does with McMahon after the Stamps leave. It is a crappy place and way bigger than what they need. They could easily fit a decent university-sized stadium (Canadian sized, that is) there or on the west campus and free up a ton of space for new TOD on the grounds of McMahon and its parking-lots

Chadillaccc · #**2549** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 2:43 AM**

U of C would do just fine with a U of T style of stadium, just with bleachers on both sides.

http://www.newcollege.utoronto.ca/student-blog/disconnection-community-and-the-college-system/

A stadium like this would only require about 70% of McMahon's footprint and would warrant less than half the current parking.

red_179 · #**2550** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 3:33 AM**

The Herald is reporting it may be one singular sports complex combining an arena, stadium and field house. If so, wow!!!

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/flames-expected-to-unveil-one-giant-sports-complex

McMurph · #**2551** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 4:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

U of C would do just fine with a U of T style of stadium, just with bleachers on both sides.
A stadium like this would only require about 70% of McMahon's footprint and would warrant less than half the current parking.

Exactly. They could add the track and replace the foothills athletic park facilities to the north. There is enough land there for a university football stadium with 400m track and all necessary parking. It would give the U of C and city better facilities and open up all of McMahon's stadium and parking available for future development.

CalgaryArchitecture · #**2552** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 6:01 AM**

Leaked Arena Plans?

source from calgarypuck.com by a user

Innersoul1 · #**2553** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 6:08 AM**

I can't sleep. I was looking at the Edmonton Rogers Arena thread and I am envious! That picture above has me drooling!

Wooster · #**2554** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 6:48 AM**

The placement of many of the buildings are odd, which makes me skeptical. WB Bow Trail seems to just disappear into buildings. A condo tower is directly touching the WLRT guideway. Either a very sloppy conceptual image, or a hoax.

Chadillaccc · #**2555** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 7:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by CalgaryArchitecture

Leaked Arena Plans?

source from calgarypuck.com by a user

I may or may not have shat myself just now. Very cool looking. Looking forward to seeing more tomorrow.

Disclaimer: I didn't.

RyLucky · #**2556** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 2:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wooster

The placement of many of the buildings are odd, which makes me skeptical. WB Bow Trail seems to just disappear into buildings. A condo tower is directly touching the WLRT guideway. Either a very sloppy conceptual image, or a hoax.

I almost wonder if the best solution to the West Village problem is to burry/cover Bow Trail from 14th St to about 18th st, freeing up about 4.5-5 acres for development, local surface roads, and park space.

My hunch is that the economics would only make sense if the westvillage could attract close to a billion dollars in taxable property investment, as is probably shown in the render above.

bt04ku · #**2557** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 3:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wooster

The placement of many of the buildings are odd, which makes me skeptical. .

The buildings are placed conspicuously far to the west of Firepark to be believable

fusili · #**2558** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 3:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by bt04ku

The buildings are placed conspicuously far to the west of Firepark to be believable

You won the forum today.

Surferguy · #**2559** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

It may actually be a set-up to justify NOT putting it West Village. Where do you think there are thinking is a possible alternate?

Things may be completely opposite of what we may think. It is possible the city *wants* it in West Village, but the owners do not.

I haven't been keeping up on this but what do you think of the Firepark location? Has that been mentioned?

Tills13 · #**2560** Posted **Aug 18, 2015, 3:31 PM**

~~today's the day~~

Godspeed, forumers.

#WestEndOrBust