New Downtown Calgary Arena - Page 127

VIce · #**2521** Posted **Aug 14, 2015, 7:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

So it is like the BC place roof before it got replaced. I didn't mind it, but didn't like the ears popping when you enter. The pressure you're talking about is slight, but likely differential and not absolute.

You mean they're not planning to asphyxiate everybody who enters the building?

suburbia · #**2522** Posted **Aug 14, 2015, 8:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

^ No, the compressed air goes in between layers of the foil. Think the outside of the watercube in Beijing, or the Eden Project.

On Eden:
from: http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/conservation/conservationists/eden3.htm

Thanks. Makes better sense, enhancing the insulating factor also.

Even if the increased pressure for snow load for these is modest, there would be massive changes to the trusses required, as compared to the example stadium presented. Hard to know the cost implications. We'll see if Ken King shares details of the overall budget they are looking at.

Innersoul1 · #**2523** Posted **Aug 14, 2015, 8:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

^ No, the compressed air goes in between layers of the foil. Think the outside of the watercube in Beijing, or the Eden Project.

On Eden:
from: http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/conservation/conservationists/eden3.htm

Bang on. I have seen some applications of this product that include solar panels in the pillows. Something neat to consider to green things up for sure. Also makes for some very interesting lighting installations as is the case with the Water Cube.

Tuesday can't come soon enough

craner · #**2524** Posted **Aug 14, 2015, 10:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Innersoul1

Tuesday can't come soon enough

No kidding !!

bt04ku · #**2525** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 12:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innersoul1

I believe that Riise was the first to suggest this. But what about a structure like Forsyth Barr Stadium in New Zealand? The ETFE roof is quite attractive and allows for a beautiful flood of natural light making the field level condusive to a natural grass pitch if needed. Also if we are thinking of this in terms of a field house, the natural light and general airiness make it appealing. As constructed in NZ it has a capacity of 30,000.

U.S. Bank Field (Minnesota Vikings new stadium) also went the 'closed-roof, natural light' way, It'd definitely be a much better atmosphere for a game if closed-roof is the way to go. Can't imagine natural grass would ever be considered for anything other than the World Cup but having a natural light option would make it slightly cheaper to implement for it, for however brief a time.

Riise · #**2526** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 5:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innersoul1

I believe that Riise was the first to suggest this. But what about a structure like Forsyth Barr Stadium in New Zealand?

Oh yeah, Forsyth Barr. Thanks for the reminder!

The more I go over it, the more I think that Fieldhouse really means an Indoor Stadium with some thought toward the provision of space for amateur sports. I'd be happy with something as open as Forsyth Barr but I'd be hesitant to even call that stadium a Fieldhouse.

jeffwhit · #**2527** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 7:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

I like how the first comment in the comments section is "Build it in Balzac by the Mall and upgrade Deerfoot and Stoney!".

Anyone who tried going to the Mallzac on Boxing Day would know what a horrible idea this is.

suburbia · #**2528** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 2:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by jeffwhit

Anyone who tried going to the Mallzac on Boxing Day would know what a horrible idea this is.

I suspect whom ever posted that was kidding (and no, it wasn't me). That being said, Mallzac used to get knocked before development as something that wouldn't work, and now gets knocked for being overly successful.

The stadium/arena project is intended for re-development, so is better placed in a place that is more prime and is completely underdeveloped or is being used inadequately. Clearly West Village and Firepark make most sense.

WhipperSnapper · #**2529** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 3:07 PM**

Malzac got knocked for its location and, because of this, there was a desire among forumers for it to fail. I don't think anyone suggested it would fail though.

Do the Flames even own property?

speedog · #**2530** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Malzac got knocked for its location and, because of this, there was a desire among forumers for it to fail. I don't think anyone suggested it would fail though.

Do the Flames even own property?

Gah, you're going to hate me for posting this but I believe someone stated elsewhere in these forums that one or a number of theFlames owners owns the Firepark lands or at least a majority of those lands.

Riise · #**2531** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

That being said, Mallzac used to get knocked before development as something that wouldn't work, and now gets knocked for being overly successful.

Generating a traffic mess on the fringe of the city does constitute a planning failure. Thanks Rocky View!

The Fisher Account · #**2532** Posted **Aug 15, 2015, 6:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by speedog

Gah, you're going to hate me for posting this but I believe someone stated elsewhere in these forums that one or a number of theFlames owners owns the Firepark lands or at least a majority of those lands.

Innersoul1 · #**2533** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 2:54 PM**

I am impressed that they have been able to keep this such a closely guarded secret.

Innersoul1 · #**2534** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 4:53 PM**

Creosote contamination at proposed arena site to be studied

ANNALISE KLINGBEIL, CALGARY HERALD
More from Annalise Klingbeil, Calgary Herald
August 16, 2015

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news...ion-at-proposed-arena-site-to-be-studied

"Calgary Municipal Land Corp. (CMLC) is busy hiring a consultant for an environmental review of the area, but the bigger question — aside from the extent of the creosote damage — is who will pay the multimillion-dollar cleanup tab."

I find the timing of all of this to be very interesting. A piece of land that has been relatively out of the spotlight is all of the sudden mentioned by a sports franchise and the land owners are rushing to seek consultation on clean-up? I am VERY intrigued.

craner · #**2535** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 6:36 PM**

One more day till we find out . . . something ?

DizzyEdge · #**2536** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 6:55 PM**

I see the remediation is estimated between 50-300 million bux (quite the range).
Any guesses as to what the land value is if the remediation was complete? I'm wondering if the land currently has negative value.

Innersoul1 · #**2537** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

I see the remediation is estimated between 50-300 million bux (quite the range).
Any guesses as to what the land value is if the remediation was complete? I'm wondering if the land currently has negative value.

I believe that an article was posted earlier speculating that there was a negative land value.

CalgaryArchitecture · #**2538** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 7:16 PM**

http://calgarynext.com/ has been registered but a username and password is needed.

Fuzz · #**2539** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:28 PM**

Just curious as I haven't been in McMahon in years...how bad is it? Would it be cheaper just to retrofit the place? I mean a stadium is just a field with bleachers. If they need more concourse area couldn't they just add 25m or whatever to the outside?

tomthumb2 · #**2540** Posted **Aug 17, 2015, 9:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just curious as I haven't been in McMahon in years...how bad is it? Would it be cheaper just to retrofit the place? I mean a stadium is just a field with bleachers. If they need more concourse area couldn't they just add 25m or whatever to the outside?

Not only is it bad but the Flames don't own the building so its not even a consideration.