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Old Posted Jul 13, 2015, 3:35 PM
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If you're hoping to see a new tower on Arrowpress Square in the near future, certainly do not hold your breath. Nobody that I've talked to has heard anything about it and the landowners are well known for spewing nothing more than hot air on a continual basis. Unfortunately, nobody has heard anything from Omni Hotels either. Personally, I do not think this bodes well for the future of that project.

Speaking of dying developments, I also heard a rumor that the city may start foreclosure proceedings against the La Porte group with regard to their State Street Plaza development. This is only a rumor at this point.

For some good news, the Central Ninth neighborhood surrounding the 900 South TRAX station is seeing a lot of interest from developers lately. With an emphasis on properties adjacent to the station and also south along the TRAX line between 900 South and Mead Ave. I know of several multi-family residential projects that are moving forward in that area. The RDA is beginning to reach out to developers on their properties. This is certainly a neighborhood that could use an influx of new development. I think it has the potential of being a cool, unique downtown neighborhood.
     
     
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Again, Someone will get the LaPorte project for a steal and finish it at a reasonable profit. My fear is that the future owner won't follow through with the original vision, particularly with the Rex Theater.
     
     
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This actually turned out better on the front façade than it seemed like it was heading this past year. Definitely a big improvement over that gross 60's style cover.


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Old Posted Jul 13, 2015, 5:14 PM
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After reading Isaac's recent blog post:

http://www.slcitynews.com/urban-expert-downtown-needs-more-residential-growth/

I noticed the following: (Isaac, hopefully this is okay as it is just a snippet).

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Nelson presented what he calls the “Nelson’s rule,” that argues that even poorly maintained downtowns, have a market demand of at least one percent of the metro population, while a maintained downtown will attract at least two percent of the metro population. That means that of the Salt Lake metro’s estimated 1.2 million people, there is a market demand for at least 12,000 people. Nelson argues that for Salt Lake that demand could be higher because downtown Salt Lake is also the regional urban center for the entire Wasatch Front, with an estimated population of 2.4 million. Applying Nelson’s rule to the Wasatch Front would indicate a market demand of least 24,000 residential units in downtown Salt Lake.
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I tend to lean more into Nelson's views and think that there is pent up demand for housing and think the 24,000 units might be close to if not still a little low.

I think that the demand is there, the problem is the costs. All current market rate or lower apartments that come online are filling up quickly. Only higher cost apartment and condos are slower to fill up.

This shows the demand is there but the problem is still the costs. Nelson talks about incentives could be used for this but one point he brings up is to reduce the impact fees as the money would be made up in other areas.

This got me thinking a bit and I know we have talked about it in the past. Currently the fees are around $2400 per residential unit.

This means that a developer would need to build more to market rate and high end or get grants for lower end.

I keep coming back to this but think that the more it is talked about the more likely it is that action could be taken.

Let's lower the impact fees dramatically as density increases. By this, once density tops 30 units an acre, lets start dropping the fees. At 31 units an acre, fees are dropped 10%. At 40 units an acre, fees are down 25%, at 50 units an acre fees are down 50%. 75 units an acre would be an 80% decrease in fees. 100+ units an acre would be $0.00 impact fee per residential unit.

The goal of this is to increase density but also height. You can't build tall without profits being there and if impact fees eat up to much of the profits, investors won't fund it.

I think that with this, we would start to see taller residential building, retail and residents.

Developers would still be able to get grants for lower income options in the building but it would make the building more mixed income.

Retail would increase as there would be more built in demand at the 75+ units per acre threshold.

Most of City Creek residential is within the 75+ units per acre threshold so we know that people will live in higher densities, developers just need the incentives.

Maybe the city would offer further incentives such as tax abatement for increased densities near Trax, streetcar, high frequency bus routes, within downtown. Increase the tax abatement if the project replaces surface parking.

Lower the parking requirements down to .5:1 (stalls to units) or lower. Maybe even let the developer decide on the parking requirements. Parking in structured units outside of the building footprint wouldn't receive the same incentives. This would put the parking within the confines of the building footprint for incentives to take place.

This would help to remove the surface lots while also reducing the separated parking garages. Developers could still build excess parking and then use it for paid public parking if they wanted.

I think with this, we may also see more midblock walkways open up as developers work to receive as much incentives as possible while also making the biggest profit quickly for their investors.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2015, 6:41 PM
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While I agree with many of your points, there is problems associated with reducing and eliminating impact fees. The biggest issue is that the more units per acre the greater impact that development has on things like sewer system capacity.

I do however think there could be a way to at least reduce impact fees and possibly only apply those impact fees that are truly necessary, such as needed sewer upgrades or updates if that is the case. While I haven't looked at the SLC impact fees I am guessing there are many fees that are administrative rather than true impacts, these are the one that I feel should be eliminated. Even a minor reduction based off of Makids original proposal would go a long way in creating incentives to increase densities and heights. Even at 10% reduction at 31+, up to 50% reduction at 100+ Those are HUGE savings.

Maybe another possible incentive in the way of reduced impact fees is if the building is steel or concrete, meaning it is being built above the 7 story (5 wood levels on a 2 level concrete pedestal) reduce the impact fees because the fire danger is much less than with the wood. Another incentive for taller residential construction.

Another thing to consider as a way to reduce fees or increase density bonuses would be for the developer to include the design, construction and maintenance of a high quality bus shelter, if the development is along a bus route. Something that is an integrated part of the development, that provides shelter from the elements, is clean, well lit and safe. This in and of it self can help to promote higher transit usage. (this is actually something that the burbs should integrate as they start to build more density in a vertical manner along major corridors.)

As you pointed out very effectively Makid, any reduction in impact fees with increased densities could be a huge boon for more moderately priced apartments.

I agree with you on parking as well, and I think the city needs to encourage more shared parking agreements. Uses that have parking structures, like office buildings, that are primarily occupied during the day could provide discounted parking for residential developments, yes they are discounted, but they are creating income that wouldn't normally be coming in. As an example: The new Regent Street hotel/condos; The Regent St garage could provide discounted monthly parking passes to residents of the building, they could even require parking above a certain level in exchange for a discounted rate. There are so many parking garages around town that I would estimate that no new parking would need to be required for several thousand residential units.


All things mentioned by Makid and myself create a critical mass for a fast growing population in downtown and the surrounding neighborhoods. Reduced impact fees result in more densities at more affordable rental rates, equals an increased population. Integrated bus shelters in new developments with reduced parking requirements combined with the increase in population results in higher transit usage, resulting in better and more frequent transit options. Better transit, less car dependance, increased population, results in more retail and more office demand, because the ease of access and the sheer number of residents demand it, equals more property and sales tax revenue.
     
     
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Utah Seeing Unprecedented Commercial Real Estate Trends for Second Quarter 2015

http://www.utahbusiness.com/articles/view/utah_seeing_unprecedented_commercial_real_estate_t


Downtown:
The CBD is adding another class A tower, 111 Main, to the skyline, with delivery anticipated in Q1 2017. While zero preleasing was finalized when the building began construction in Q3 2014, it is anticipated that the building will be completely preleased by the end of the year. Several developers are clamoring to be the next under construction in the CBD, and we anticipate seeing another building going vertical within the next year.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2015, 7:21 PM
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FM - I had forgotten about the utility upgrades. So some impact fees should be assessed. I don't know what the breakdown is for impact fees but I know that there is some for Roads and Parks. This is from the complaint developers had just over a year ago when the fees shot up to closer to 5K per unit.

I do hope that the city looks at the fees closer and does try to incentivize denser and taller development within the CBD.

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Utah Seeing Unprecedented Commercial Real Estate Trends for Second Quarter 2015

http://www.utahbusiness.com/articles/view/utah_seeing_unprecedented_commercial_real_estate_t


Downtown:
The CBD is adding another class A tower, 111 Main, to the skyline, with delivery anticipated in Q1 2017. While zero preleasing was finalized when the building began construction in Q3 2014, it is anticipated that the building will be completely preleased by the end of the year. Several developers are clamoring to be the next under construction in the CBD, and we anticipate seeing another building going vertical within the next year.
This is good news and this means we should see 151 break ground hopefully by the end of the year or early 2016.

This should also mean that we should start hearing about another commercial tower in the next 6 to 12 months. Maybe around the time 151 is starting to rise.

Perhaps the next commercial tower will be on the Zions parking (1st South and Main) or the lot West of Harmons on 1st South. Or maybe even replace the Carl's Jr. with a new tallest. Let the dreams commence?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2015, 9:17 PM
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Utah Seeing Unprecedented Commercial Real Estate Trends for Second Quarter 2015

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Downtown:
The CBD is adding another class A tower, 111 Main, to the skyline, with delivery anticipated in Q1 2017. While zero preleasing was finalized when the building began construction in Q3 2014, it is anticipated that the building will be completely preleased by the end of the year. Several developers are clamoring to be the next under construction in the CBD, and we anticipate seeing another building going vertical within the next year.
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This is good news and this means we should see 151 break ground hopefully by the end of the year or early 2016.

This should also mean that we should start hearing about another commercial tower in the next 6 to 12 months. Maybe around the time 151 is starting to rise.

Perhaps the next commercial tower will be on the Zions parking (1st South and Main) or the lot West of Harmons on 1st South. Or maybe even replace the Carl's Jr. with a new tallest. Let the dreams commence?
That is such fantastic news and I too hope and expect to see 151 break ground by early next year. I would be completely happy seeing a new office tower start to rise every 1.5 - 2 years. 111 S Main broke ground late 2014, 151 breaking ground early 2016, and new tower late 2017. Here is my wish list of sites, (Carl's jr, Zions Lotr, Harmons, City Center{400 S State}), any of those sites would be fine with me.

Throw in CCH, while it appears stalled right now, I suspect it's still going to happen no later than early 2017, and UAC, and by 2019 we could easily have 5 new towers dotting our skyline. I honestly don't think that is all that unrealistic.

All of the above locations would continue to fill in gaps in the skyline, and all but Zions would help to stretch the skyline away from Main a bit more.
     
     
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Podcast with Jesse Dean from the Downtown Alliance talking about the State of Downtown Report. Dr. Nelson argued that impact fees downtown should be abolished, imagine if most of the City's surface parking lots became mid/high-rise residential. Based on the most recent terms the RDA made with La Porte, La Porte is clearly not in compliance.
     
     
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That is such fantastic news and I too hope and expect to see 151 break ground by early next year. I would be completely happy seeing a new office tower start to rise every 1.5 - 2 years. 111 S Main broke ground late 2014, 151 breaking ground early 2016, and new tower late 2017. Here is my wish list of sites, (Carl's jr, Zions Lotr, Harmons, City Center{400 S State}), any of those sites would be fine with me.

Throw in CCH, while it appears stalled right now, I suspect it's still going to happen no later than early 2017, and UAC, and by 2019 we could easily have 5 new towers dotting our skyline. I honestly don't think that is all that unrealistic.

All of the above locations would continue to fill in gaps in the skyline, and all but Zions would help to stretch the skyline away from Main a bit more.
And Regent Hotel =6.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2015, 12:05 AM
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Podcast with Jesse Dean from the Downtown Alliance talking about the State of Downtown Report. Dr. Nelson argued that impact fees downtown should be abolished, imagine if most of the City's surface parking lots became mid/high-rise residential. Based on the most recent terms the RDA made with La Porte, La Porte is clearly not in compliance.
While the LaPorte Group seems to specialize in restricted income housing I think the all or majority restricted income, as is the case with the State Street Project, is the wrong approach. I have always felt that a development will have much more success when there is a better mix of market and restricted income units, but 75% restricted is way to much in my opinion. I think over the 50% threshold turns the building into a low income housing development.

I hope that whoever snatches up this project from the RDA once they foreclose on LaPorte, re-evaluates the mix of units. I like the open concept industrial/warehouse look that LaPorte was going for, but I strongly feel that market/restricted ratio needs to be adjusted, I would think 75/25 or even 60/40 would be much better.
     
     
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I wish we had an interactive development map like other cities have. Here's Portland's: http://www.nextportland.com/
     
     
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Agree Orlando, Not only very attractive and usable, but the photos are actually shareable. That's a lot more than I can say for certain aspects of the availability in this forum.
     
     
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Amen. That building had an incredible history too. It was the Baer Bros Mercantile building that got knocked over. Baer Bros was a major whiskey producer in SLC with some badass labels and deep SLC history.

     
     
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Podcast with Jesse Dean from the Downtown Alliance talking about the State of Downtown Report. Dr. Nelson argued that impact fees downtown should be abolished, imagine if most of the City's surface parking lots became mid/high-rise residential. Based on the most recent terms the RDA made with La Porte, La Porte is clearly not in compliance.
Great Podcast! You've got some Terry Gross interview skills. I look forward to more of these.
     
     
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One is on its way
     
     
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Agree Orlando, Not only very attractive and usable, but the photos are actually shareable. That's a lot more than I can say for certain aspects of the availability in this forum.
No need to throw shade; I love this forum but I have to protect my work if I want to make SL City News financially sustainable so that I can continue to provide coverage of development.
     
     
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