Burnaby Updates - Page 26

Sheba · #**501** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 4:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by TourOdeon

Edmonds is unappealing because the distance between the Highgate Village and the Edmonds skytrain station by walking is too far. Edmonds does not have any plans on becoming a transit-oriented development like the other three Burnaby quadrants.

Gee wasn't there a recent conversation about Vancouverites being thick around the middle? Edmonds / Kingsway to Edmonds Station is a 15 min walk - shifting the start over to Hall / Kingsway and cutting through the old library location would be about the same.

red-paladin · #**502** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 6:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by TourOdeon

Edmonds is unappealing because the distance between the Highgate Village and the Edmonds skytrain station by walking is too far. Edmonds does not have any plans on becoming a transit-oriented development like the other three Burnaby quadrants.

Wrong, the former Safeway Distribution site is walking distance to Edmonds station, and it's a massive, walkable community.

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Safeway Distribution site in Burnaby near Edmonds:

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/05/26/plans-for-48-acre-southgate-neighbourhood-taking-shape/

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/05/26/plans-for-48-acre-southgate-neighbourhood-taking-shape/

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/05/26/plans-for-48-acre-southgate-neighbourhood-taking-shape

TourOdeon · #**503** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 2:01 PM**

Oh, so theres already a plan... Thats a massive area to be developed by a single developer! The area looks more approriate to me for townhouses and low-rise condos though. Hopefully the city would inject lots of capital to speed up the development.

But seriously, the skytrain station is currently located around the sleepy residential area. And the area South of the station doesnt look like it can be developed at all. The station should've been built closer to Edmonds & Kingsway from the very beginning. I know people who live near the Highgate Village, and they all drive to work or park&ride.

logan5 · #**504** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 3:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by TourOdeon

Edmonds is unappealing because the distance between the Highgate Village and the Edmonds skytrain station by walking is too far. Edmonds does not have any plans on becoming a transit-oriented development like the other three Burnaby quadrants.

With the strip of older retail along Edmonds, there is the opportunity to create a Burnaby Heights type neighbourhood, which would be far more appealing than the other town centres which are anchored by shopping malls. All that depends on those older retail units being preserved and higher density being developed off Edmonds St.

TourOdeon · #**505** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

With the strip of older retail along Edmonds, there is the opportunity to create a Burnaby Heights type neighbourhood, which would be far more appealing than the other town centres which are anchored by shopping malls. All that depends on those older retail units being preserved and higher density being developed off Edmonds St.

The strip of older retail along Edmonds you are referring to are still a good 15-20mins walk from Edmonds skytrain. There is currently no retail presence along Edmonds street south of Kingsway other than RONA.

Sheba · #**506** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 5:06 PM**

It's kind of funny that the other Burnaby town centers get 'oh it's just a big mall at the Skytrain' and then people complain that Edmonds doesn't have a big mall.

Kings Crossing

Pic by Cressey

Klazu · #**507** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 5:21 PM**

Ah yes, I remember those plans. It has just been some time since we heard about them.

Large Cat · #**508** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 8:05 PM**

Imo the area DIRECTLY around Edmonds station would do well not with a big mall, but with something like the Marine Gateway pedestrian precinct: a grocery store, a coffee shop, a drug store, a few banks, and a few other shops. Kingsway is a long walk, especially from Station Hill on the other side of the station, just to get something to eat or groceries. Right now people there just drive down to Market Crossing, despite living almost immediately adjacent to the station.

And, while I like the Safeway site plan, I think anyone living in the Eastern half of it will find Edmonds station too far a walk, even with that new pedestrian overpass near the high school. Perhaps to rectify this they could try concentrating the new condos on the western side of the site (near redbrick), and scale it down a little overall. Otherwise it will end up mostly car oriented, like Jericho Lands unfortunately might become.

Tetsuo · #**509** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 8:35 PM**

Dont forget the old library site is possibly going to be redeveloped, there's also tons of low rises around High Gate.

There's a lot of low rise townhomes that have been built recently (Storybrook, Britton)

Sheba · #**510** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 8:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Large Cat

Imo the area DIRECTLY around Edmonds station would do well not with a big mall, but with something like the Marine Gateway pedestrian precinct: a grocery store, a coffee shop, a drug store, a few banks, and a few other shops. Kingsway is a long walk, especially from Station Hill on the other side of the station, just to get something to eat or groceries. Right now people there just drive down to Market Crossing, despite living almost immediately adjacent to the station.

And, while I like the Safeway site plan, I think anyone living in the Eastern half of it will find Edmonds station too far a walk, even with that new pedestrian overpass near the high school. Perhaps to rectify this they could try concentrating the new condos on the western side of the site (near redbrick), and scale it down a little overall. Otherwise it will end up mostly car oriented, like Jericho Lands unfortunately might become.

I live in this area. There was a small grocery store but it's been sitting empty with a for sale / lease sign on it (currently owned by the tower behind it). A lot of my neighbours take the Skytrain to either Metrotown or New West, or walk / bus up to Highgate (people seem to be forgetting the 106 goes right there, and it's every 10 mins). I see a lot more people walking around than I do cars driving around.

The Southgate (Safeway site) plan is to be a mixed development with shops within it and a park in the center. Other than being used by the people moving in there, it's going to also be of interest to people living just south of Edmonds Station.

officedweller · #**511** Posted **Jul 6, 2015, 6:01 AM**

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Through their analysis, we also get a good sense of the relationship between Edmonds and the municipality’s established Town Centres:

[...] Council outlined the designated role of Middlegate as a Municipal sector centre (rather than as a regional sub centre as is the case with the Brentwood and Lougheed Mall Centres). This designation in part recognized the proximity of the Middlegate Centre to Metrotown and a sensitivity not to create a competitive climate between these two areas. As a result the Middlegate centre is the lowest order of the designated major Town Centres with its intended scale and nature of development relating to the needs of its particular sector of the Municipality (Burnaby, 1984).

So, we find that planners are interested in seeing the growth of Edmonds, but in so far as it would not stunt the development of Burnaby’s other Town Centres, and in particular, Metrotown. The relationship between Edmonds and Metrotown is significant, which we will revisit further below.

http://davidpereira.ca/projects/burnabys-town-centres/edmonds-town-centre/

Sheba · #**512** Posted **Jul 8, 2015, 10:28 PM**

On the NE corner of Rumble and Gilley, what was once warehouse space has been getting work and now there's a sign that says 'Shine Auto Wash'. Not terribly exciting but I wonder what's going to happen to the other warehouse spaces next door to it (then it switches to residential heading down towards Edmonds Station).

Vin · #**513** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 9:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

With the strip of older retail along Edmonds, there is the opportunity to create a Burnaby Heights type neighbourhood, which would be far more appealing than the other town centres which are anchored by shopping malls. All that depends on those older retail units being preserved and higher density being developed off Edmonds St.

From a business perspective, having a shopping mall makes more sense as small single unit retail businesses fare better in a collective retail area. Malls can be built to incorporate into a high-rise neighbourhood rather than similar to Metrotown. I like what's happening at Brentwood right now.

Development around Edmonds is too haphazard to create a vibrant centralised town centre, unless they do more around the Highgate neighbourhood, but then again, it is quite far from the skytrain station at Edmonds.

Klazu · #**514** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

Do we have a thread for this project under another name?

5808 Patterson Avenue - Aldynne

http://www.polyhomes.com/community/aldynne-on-the-park

Map location: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=...9,0.016512&mid=z7GbqxawjeTo.kcz7CR1eGhuI

This one is moving fast. They are already puring concrete in the pit!

Sheba · #**515** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 11:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Development around Edmonds is too haphazard to create a vibrant centralised town centre, unless they do more around the Highgate neighbourhood, but then again, it is quite far from the skytrain station at Edmonds.

...and again - it's only a 15 min walk and the 106 is every 10 minutes.

NewWester · #**516** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 11:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

From a business perspective, having a shopping mall makes more sense as small single unit retail businesses fare better in a collective retail area. Malls can be built to incorporate into a high-rise neighbourhood rather than similar to Metrotown. I like what's happening at Brentwood right now.

Development around Edmonds is too haphazard to create a vibrant centralised town centre, unless they do more around the Highgate neighbourhood, but then again, it is quite far from the skytrain station at Edmonds.

But does it make sense to build a shopping mall at Edmonds when the retail singularity of Metrotown is just a short train or bus hop away. Or put it this way: do we need a The Gap this close to another The Gap? I live in New West and when I need Mall style retail I just train to Metro or Lougheed (or Downtown because Malls kind of bum me out). I'd worry that a mall in Edmonds would end up like Royal City Centre, a ghost town for the elderly, or New West station, which really struggles to hold tenets and is more of a grocery/restaurant hub than a typical retail mall.

Vin · #**517** Posted **Jul 10, 2015, 12:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

...and again - it's only a 15 min walk and the 106 is every 10 minutes.

Quite far if you have to walk 15mins from Joyce to Highgate to do some grocery shopping or use the services there, then another 15mins back to Edmonds area if you live around there.

Vin · #**518** Posted **Jul 10, 2015, 12:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by NewWester

But does it make sense to build a shopping mall at Edmonds when the retail singularity of Metrotown is just a short train or bus hop away. Or put it this way: do we need a The Gap this close to another The Gap? I live in New West and when I need Mall style retail I just train to Metro or Lougheed (or Downtown because Malls kind of bum me out). I'd worry that a mall in Edmonds would end up like Royal City Centre, a ghost town for the elderly, or New West station, which really struggles to hold tenets and is more of a grocery/restaurant hub than a typical retail mall.

Same argument can be said about Brentwood mall, and yet it is happening. And Gap does not have to be everywhere, as neighbourhood malls can have moms and pops stores, local services like post offices, 7-11s, drug marts, grocery stores, etc. You have to think outside the north american definition of a suburban mall.

As for New Westminster, I love what's done to that area, way more than what it used to be back when 'zombies' would roam around the broken surroundings. The anchor of a skytrain mall actually makes that area more liveable. Royal City is just sad because there is no skytrain closeby serving it. Edmonds, on the other hand, has one.

You don't even need to train or go far if you have everything close by, that's what being green is all about.

Sheba · #**519** Posted **Jul 10, 2015, 12:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Quite far if you have to walk 15mins from Joyce to Highgate to do some grocery shopping or use the services there, then another 15mins back to Edmonds area if you live around there.

From Joyce to Highgate?

Btw before I got my bus pass I used to regularly walk up to Highgate and back again. Even now it's not that unusual for me to bus there and walk back.

It's too early to look forward to what Southgate will offer ('rezoning initiated' for the first two towers). There will be smaller scale retail instead of a big mall there.

YukioTanaka · #**520** Posted **Jul 10, 2015, 4:19 PM**

I used to live right on Edmonds street, on the block between 16th and 18th. What a nightmare! It's a designated truck route, tons of noise and traffic. The pedestrian environment is poor and intimidating (try crossing Edmonds at 16th. I hope the city has a better plan for traffic management around there, especially with King's Crossing on the horizon.