Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[GeeCee]

Ioco Station is probably my second favorite station to look at from the outside, and it's not even done yet! Brentwood comes first, of course.

[Ridgerunner]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Nice find. I love the stereotypical NIMBY with her arms crossed, saying the Yaletown station location will be a congested nightmare.

Even the Opus hotel owner, totally reminds me of a typical Translink hater.. "Of course we support transit, just NIMBY".

LOL. The internet is so great for this stuff.

NIMBY is only one of the three obstacles to progress. The other two are:

NIMTOO - for politicians - Not In My Term Of Office .... some politicians are professional obstacles .. just as dim as the Lady In Yaletown.

and ..

NIHTIE (pronouonced knee - tie) for bureaucrats - Not Invented Here Take It Elsewhere. ... some "crats" are just a little too petty.

I came up with the last two to reflect the simple fact that populist resistance to change (the normalcy bias) is not the only factor to consider.

That also means that when a politician wants to change things he faces the other two factors just as an outside influence (like a developer) has to face.

[MIPS]

1km between stations seems fair. That means that at worst case scenario you're smack between stations on Broadway and you're no more than 7 minutes away from a station. It also means that you don't have too many stations.

Again, to gauge just how long 1km is visually. That's the distance form Main Street, down Terminal Ave. to The Home Depot.

[Rico]

Too many stations = slow, too few = poor access. There is no perfect distance because it varies with the quality of the system and what the potential ridership access is and how far those riders are travelling. Seems to me the Skytrain station spacing strikes a good compromise...at least when 'potential' future stations are included.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by MIPS

1km between stations seems fair. That means that at worst case scenario you're smack between stations on Broadway and you're no more than 7 minutes away from a station. It also means that you don't have too many stations.

Again, to gauge just how long 1km is visually. That's the distance form Main Street, down Terminal Ave. to The Home Depot.

Patterson to Metrotown Station is 800m - to stretch it out to 1km means walking over to the new Metrotower. Do you really want the stations that close together? In comparison Metrotown to Royal Oak is 1.4km and it's not that terribly far away. Royal Oak to Edmonds is 2.5km - now that's too far to walk.

So I don't mind the Cameron station being dropped as Lougheed to Burquitlam is 1.8k. The run over to Moody Centre is going to be far, which is why I suggested another station over by the tunnel entrance at Barnet Hwy - and even that will be about 2.7km.

From Barnet to Moody Centre (1.5km) to Inlet Centre (1.4km) are pretty reasonable distances. Inlet Centre to Coquitlam is over 2km and then from Coquitlam to Lincoln and then to Douglas are shorter than Metrotown to Patterson (the whole run is 1.4km).

[Infrequent Poster]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I'm a little thicker than I'd like to be. I've reached the age where weight wants to be my friend and hang around with me. It doesn't matter that I walk almost every day and ride an exercise bike for at least 30 mins a day... *sigh*

Count your calories. Make sure you put in less then you burn. the weight will come off. Like you can literally lose weight without any exercise at all (though it does help).

Sorry for going off topic. But it works it really does.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Infrequent Poster

Like you can literally lose weight without any exercise at all (though it does help).

Yeah, one donut = an awful lot of exercise. It's really a whole lot easier to just not eat the donut.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Patterson to Metrotown Station is 800m - to stretch it out to 1km means walking over to the new Metrotower. Do you really want the stations that close together? In comparison Metrotown to Royal Oak is 1.4km and it's not that terribly far away. Royal Oak to Edmonds is 2.5km - now that's too far to walk.

So I don't mind the Cameron station being dropped as Lougheed to Burquitlam is 1.8k. The run over to Moody Centre is going to be far, which is why I suggested another station over by the tunnel entrance at Barnet Hwy - and even that will be about 2.7km.

From Barnet to Moody Centre (1.5km) to Inlet Centre (1.4km) are pretty reasonable distances. Inlet Centre to Coquitlam is over 2km and then from Coquitlam to Lincoln and then to Douglas are shorter than Metrotown to Patterson (the whole run is 1.4km).

Main street/Stadium and Stadium/Granville are also nearly a kilometer apart as well. Still, anywhere between 1-1.5km between stations is fine for Broadway, but we're talking the Evergreen line in this thread, no?

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I'm a little thicker than I'd like to be. I've reached the age where weight wants to be my friend and hang around with me. It doesn't matter that I walk almost every day and ride an exercise bike for at least 30 mins a day... *sigh*

I use to be a little thick a few years ago (230 pounds) I am 6'1"

Then I got smart about what I ate (no crazy diet, I still drink, party, and eat what I like, but i just cut the portions in half and ate a little more vegetables and fruits). The big thing I cut out was no night snacking. That is a killer. Never wake up, eat, and go back to sleep. I added that with running 4 or 5 times a week and walking whenever I could instead of driving.

Now I am 179 pounds and have never felt better (love being able to wear skinny jeans and thin fit shirts off the shelf in a Japanese clothing store).

Being fit really does help your mental condition, you just feel more comfortable and happy. it does take some control and will power, but the trade off is worth it.

Hence I feel walking 600 meters or even 1km to a train station should not be seen as excessive for most people (1km is only about a 15 minute walk for goodness sakes).

In South Van I lived exactly 980 meters from Marine Station, never felt that Marine station was too far away or a long way to walk.

And for those talking about how the hill along North Road makes a difference, well, then the people can walk down hill both ways! Going to the train walk down to Lougheed, coming home walk down from Burquitlam

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I use to be a little thick a few years ago (230 pounds) I am 6'1"

Then I got smart about what I ate (no crazy diet, I still drink, party, and eat what I like, but i just cut the portions in half and ate a little more vegetables and fruits). The big thing I cut out was no night snacking. That is a killer. Never wake up, eat, and go back to sleep. I added that with running 4 or 5 times a week and walking whenever I could instead of driving.

Now I am 179 pounds and have never felt better (love being able to wear skinny jeans and thin fit shirts off the shelf in a Japanese clothing store).

Being fit really does help your mental condition, you just feel more comfortable and happy. it does take some control and will power, but the trade off is worth it.

Hence I feel walking 600 meters or even 1km to a train station should not be seen as excessive for most people (1km is only about a 15 minute walk for goodness sakes).

In South Van I lived exactly 980 meters from Marine Station, never felt that Marine station was too far away or a long way to walk.

And for those talking about how the hill along North Road makes a difference, well, then the people can walk down hill both ways! Going to the train walk down to Lougheed, coming home walk down from Burquitlam

I can attest to that. I first met Metro-One when he was "thick". When we had a forum meet a year or so later, we were to meet at the CP Rail train station and I did not even recognize him due to the weight loss. Another long time forumer from the US (DrumCorpsAlum) used to be quite chubby. But he gave up drinking soda and eating sweets. With a little exercise, he lost all that weight and now looks really good.

WRT to the Evergreen Line stations being far apart, yes a little exercise can do people well with the non-existence of Cameron Station. Stations don't have to be super close to one another, and one of my biggest peeves was how people were complaining about a transfer on the Lougheed Station involving going up and down.

Nevermind there are elevators and escalators, but its the attitude that everything has to be so easy and cater to the lowest common denominator, that without doing so is said to reduce ridership. Just go to some major transit heavens in Europe and Asia and see how long people have to *gasp* walk from one platform to another in a transfer station...

[Metro-One]

Haha, thanks man! The funniest part is after eating smaller meals for so long I cant even force myself now to eat the large portions that I did before... (Hence it is now obvious to me that the vast majority of "DNA" / heavy set / big boned excuses people always give to being heavy are just that, excuses. Things have gone so far to being heavy in North America (especially the US) that people have completely lost sight of what proper meal sizes and amounts of physical activity really are.)

I will be visiting Vancouver for the first time in 2 years the late July to mid August, hoping to get an SSP meet going and excited to tour the Evergreen Line construction (I will have my camera ready!)

Many train stations in Japan (rated the best train network in the world) dont have escalators, up or down, outside of the larger / main stations.

[Sheba]

Wow I didn't expect this many weight comments. I'll keep it short as I'd rather the talk was about trains and and not tubbys. Women are built for more body fat and have a bit of a tougher time getting it off than men. Plus I have health problems that landed me on disability that have thrown a curve ball at that too. But I am trying, and I'm not that big.

It looks like after the Evergreen Line it's going to be awhile until we get much of any new Skytrain action. Maybe any future lines will have the stations further apart (than 1km) to save money - and thereby forcing people to walk more.

[dpogue]

Looked like they were installing the platform intrusion detection laser system at Lougheed side platform today.

[officedweller]

New Lincoln Station pics:

https://www.facebook.com/evergreenline/photos_stream

[red-paladin]

Thanks for bringing us back to the right track.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by officedweller

New Lincoln Station pics:

https://www.facebook.com/evergreenline/photos_stream

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[Olden Retreiver]

Originally Posted by Sheba

It's kind of funny that people in Vancouver seem to want the Broadway Line to have the same stops at the current 99B - meanwhile outside of the city the call is for Skytrain stations to be much further apart.

I've already said on here that I generally prefer stations to be 1.5 to 2km apart. Sure it's not always possible and sometimes they need to be closer or further apart, but it's something to start from. I've even drawn and re-drawn our local transit maps and tried to figure out where to put stations - have any of you tried doing that? It sure showed me what areas have good vs crappy transit layouts.

BTW as far as distance goes I wasn't keen on a Cameron Station - it's only roughly ('cause I had to follow the road on google maps) 1.2km from Lougheed Station and 1km from Burquitlam Station. I'd much rather see a station between Burquitlam and Moody Centre as that's a long run (at Barnet Hwy would be good spot).

Burquitlam to Moody Centre is an unusually long gap for any transit system. So much so that it would reasonably require a bus-bridge between the two stations to feed passengers into the line. Instead, once Evergreen opens, residents near Clarke Hill will go from having 6- to 12- minute bus frequency with the 97B to just about the poorest level of service in the entire Tri-Cities.

And yes, a station at the Port Moody tunnel portal would have been great. Remarkable that no one ever seriously proposed it during any period of Evergreen planning or the Port Moody OCP.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by Olden Retreiver

Burquitlam to Moody Centre is an unusually long gap for any transit system. So much so that it would reasonably require a bus-bridge between the two stations to feed passengers into the line. Instead, once Evergreen opens, residents near Clarke Hill will go from having 6- to 12- minute bus frequency with the 97B to just about the poorest level of service in the entire Tri-Cities.

And yes, a station at the Port Moody tunnel portal would have been great. Remarkable that no one ever seriously proposed it during any period of Evergreen planning or the Port Moody OCP.

There was a small organization active at one point.. the Port Moody Western Station Committee. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Western-Station-Committee/120675591311458?sk=wall

[red-paladin]

There is accommodation in the design for a future station in west port moody though.

[CBeats]

Someone added the evergreen line tracks to Google Maps! No stations yet though, of course.