Metro Vancouver Transportation & Transit Plebiscite - Page 84

queetz@home · #**1661** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Seems that people of Surrey don't want to fund transit despite benefitting from it so greatly. I would think Broadway absolutely takes the priority over Surrey LRT with this result.

I don't think it works that way. Besides, there were 20k more "No" voters from the City of Vancouver than Surrey.

If you really want to know which comes first, the next step is watch the Federal Election and see which party wins within the cities and which party end up forming government. Then do the same for the next Provincial election....you get the idea.

WBC · #**1662** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:34 PM**

Even Vancouver didn't vote for this...Makes me wonder whether we should vote on other things our politicians take for granted - like "eco density" (a.k.a. developer candy) or perhaps union salary increases.

Pinion · #**1663** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Large Cat

Highest yes voting municipalities:

Bowen Island Municipality
City of North Vancouver
District of North Vancouver
District of West Vancouver
Metro Vancouver Electoral Area "A"
Village of Belcarra
City of New Westminster
City of Port Moody

People who don't take transit voted for transit.

This leads me to believe that skytrain shutdowns pissed off too many riders, who then voted no. Which I understand.

Still, Burnaby, Richmond, and Surrey really piss me off with the blowout numbers. I guess the homeowners/car-drivers who voted no want to pay for it another way...

This is hilarious. I know I started hating TransLink a lot less when I gave up on them too.

As for the vote, I never thought there was a chance of this passing so it's hard to muster a reaction. It was all theatre.

paulsparrow · #**1664** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

Once again, ignorance rules and that is perpetuated by the mass media that demonized Translink.

This should have never been taken up to a vote. Absolutely ridiculous.
Drastically cut service for the suburbs.

What Vancouver people fail to understand about the "burbs" is that people don't live there because they want to as much as they live there because that is all they can afford. Thus when someone steps up and say lets increase taxes for something they don't get now of course there is going to be a backlash.

Go ahead and cut our service. WE DON'T GET OUR FARE SHARE NOW!

Sheba · #**1665** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I find it interesting that they posted a breakdown by municipality. Will that be used at all?

Vancouver was very close, Surrey was a blowout for the No side.

Yeah for all the 'Vancouver will vote Yes and the outlying areas will vote No' it didn't quite work out that way. A few of the areas yes vs no:

Vancouver - 49.19% vs 50.81%
Burnaby - 35.06% vs 64.94%
New West - 45.45% vs 54.55%

Richmond - 27.61% vs 72.39%
Surrey - 34.46% vs 65.54%

Bowen Island - 61.92% (largest yes)
Maple Ridge - 77.03% (largest no)

logicbomb · #**1666** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by WBC

Even Vancouver didn't vote for this...Makes me wonder whether we should vote on other things our politicians take for granted - like "eco density" (a.k.a. developer candy) or perhaps union salary increases.

We should also vote on whether or not we should keep the ALR's and park areas.

People know best.

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Originally Posted by paulsparrow

What Vancouver people fail to understand about the "burbs" is that people don't live there because they want to as much as they live there because that is all they can afford. Thus when someone steps up and say lets increase taxes for something they don't get now of course there is going to be a backlash.

Go ahead and cut our service. WE DON'T GET OUR FARE SHARE NOW!

Quit crying. You guys have seen the most service level increases in the past few years. New B-Line. New bus routes: 503, 531, 555, 364. A yes vote would have seen you receive more service (a new Fraser Highway and White Rock B-Line) and upgrades to KGB and the Patullo Bridge.

You guys now voted against. Hopefully Translink slashes service in Surrey.

Pinion · #**1667** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:39 PM**

Did someone tell Bowen Island that they'd get a bridge?

st7860 · #**1668** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:39 PM**

While a tiny pathway replacement is not that significant but still... the last time I went by vanness and Rupert, the pathway running under the skytrain guideway from rupert to joyce is still not fully repaired(its been closed off for around 10 months already!)

paulsparrow · #**1669** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:40 PM**

Shows you how accurate our voting tool here was!

Klazu · #**1670** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

No... they want Translink shut down, meanwhile they bitch about traffic, bridge, tolls, etc. They can't put 2 and 2 together. 2 + 2 = 3 in their world.

With this result, the perfect backslash way to get the transit money together would be to toll all bridges over Fraser River.

WarrenC12 · #**1671** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by paulsparrow

Shows you how accurate our voting tool here was!

I'm glad I'm on a forum of people who can see through the Jordan Batemans of the world.

LA voted for a transit tax. I guess we didn't want to be backwards like them...

Olden Retreiver · #**1672** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Large Cat

Highest yes voting municipalities:

Bowen Island Municipality
City of North Vancouver
District of North Vancouver
District of West Vancouver
Metro Vancouver Electoral Area "A"
Village of Belcarra
City of New Westminster
City of Port Moody

People who don't take transit voted for transit.

This leads me to believe that skytrain shutdowns pissed off too many riders, who then voted no. Which I understand.

Still, Burnaby, Richmond, and Surrey really piss me off with the blowout numbers. I guess the homeowners/car-drivers who voted no want to pay for it another way...

Of course Burnaby voted No - they got their rapid transit lines (paid for by everyone else) 30 and 15 years ago. And they'll be getting significantly increased service when Evergreen opens.

Port Moody is a pleasant surprise, because there wasn't much for them in the Mayors' Plan.

Vin · #**1673** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

Once again, ignorance rules and that is perpetuated by the mass media that demonized Translink.

This should have never been taken up to a vote. Absolutely ridiculous.

Drastically cut service for the suburbs.

So Translink should have done a better job in the first place, and so should have the various municipalities. You can't convince people to pay for things if you already have a pretty bad track record. The frequent breakdown of skytrains, lack of cleanliness of a lot of the transit vehicles, bus terminals and bus stands/stops, congestions of the streets, expensive bridge tolls, high CEO pay, huge delay of the Compass card/faregates, etc. certainly ensured a NO vote. Thus I'm not surprised at the outcome.

WBC · #**1674** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by paulsparrow

What Vancouver people fail to understand about the "burbs" is that people don't live there because they want to as much as they live there because that is all they can afford. Thus when someone steps up and say lets increase taxes for something they don't get now of course there is going to be a backlash.

Go ahead and cut our service. WE DON'T GET OUR FARE SHARE NOW!

What some, especially 20-30 year olds, living in Vancouver need to realize is that some people live in the burbs because they have other priorities then well 20 olds...

Olden Retreiver · #**1675** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:44 PM**

Anyway, the solution is easy. Simply raise the PST to 7.5% province-wide, and allocate the revenue to transportation improvements in all regions.

csbvan · #**1676** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'm glad I'm on a forum of people who can see through the Jordan Batemans of the world.

LA voted for a transit tax. I guess we didn't want to be backwards like them...

We wanted to be forward thinking like Tampa Bay....

Klazu · #**1677** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:47 PM**

I have never seen 132 people reading this sub-forum at once, like currently. We all sure do care about this topic very deeply and for a good reason!

Sheba · #**1678** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:48 PM**

Richmond was a bigger no than Surrey - I guess that means we should cut back on their Canada Line service.

Frequent Skytrain shutdowns? It hasn't happened anywhere near as often as an accident causing gridlock on <insert bridge of choice here>. So we should shut down the bridge - that'll show 'em!

queetz@home · #**1679** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

With this result, the perfect backslash way to get the transit money together would be to toll all bridges over Fraser River.

They already tolled the bridges for Surrey except for Alex Fraser, so no new impact there. But considering trouble making Richmond who has caused this region suffering and grief since the Canada Line, plenty of untolled bridges there...

nname · #**1680** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 5:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Olden Retreiver

Of course Burnaby voted No - they got their rapid transit lines (paid for by everyone else) 30 and 15 years ago. And they'll be getting significantly increased service when Evergreen opens.

Port Moody is a pleasant surprise, because there wasn't much for them in the Mayors' Plan.

I guess most people don't know that the plan is to reduce Expo and Millennium service in Burnaby (as well as Surrey) once Evergreen Line opens.

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Originally Posted by Olden Retreiver

Anyway, the solution is easy. Simply raise the PST to 7.5% province-wide, and allocate the revenue to transportation improvements in all regions.

The province don't want to raise PST, they want property tax. The and the result supports this.