The Ugly Canada Thread

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by esquire

Here is something new to me... "rolling coal", as described by Wiki.



I presume this originated in (where else) the US of A, but some mouthbreathing douchebag in Winnipeg latched on to the trend:



One of these idiots in action:



On the bright side, if a few more morons like this start doing this, it will lead to mandatory vehicle emissions testing in Manitoba, for sure. Maybe in addition to that we need to make it socially acceptable for mobs to descend upon, and smash these cancer machines to bits whenever one is spotted.

This should be the sentence for such Gaping Assholes:

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[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Big box power centre faux-Irish pub. Nice.

Yes, but do the waitresses have to wear kilts? And is the menu a giant laminated thing that's almost 2' tall? And do they serve fries with [instant microwave] curry on top of them?

[Ramsayfarian]

Originally Posted by Daveography

Jesus Christ. I don't often condone let alone consider vigilante justice myself, but if someone had one of those in Edmonton I would seriously consider, uh, investing in some expanding foam insulation. For reasons.

Just saw one of these idiots downtown Calgary on Sunday. Not sure how anyone could think this is cool as he looked like an idiot. I think the expanding foam is a brilliant idea.

[1overcosc]

What's the legal penalty for 'rolling coal'? It should be very harsh... I vote $1000 fine on first offence, revocation of registration on second.

[Daveography]

^ Immediate confiscation of vehicle as being unroadworthy. No warnings.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Daveography

^ Immediate confiscation of vehicle as being unroadworthy. No warnings.

^ This.

When you consider how seriously tinted window laws are enforced, this deserves 100x harsher treatment. Tinted windows have never been linked to cancer... diesel smoke has.

[feepa]

Originally Posted by Daveography

Jesus Christ. I don't often condone let alone consider vigilante justice myself, but if someone had one of those in Edmonton I would seriously consider, uh, investing in some expanding foam insulation. For reasons.

Sad to say I've seen far too many coal rollers in Alberta. One only needs to spend a few minutes on the Henday to see this.

There's a group on facebook nearly 10K 'proud' called Alberta Coal Rollers https://www.facebook.com/groups/254565168084024/

[feepa]

typical mentality of a coal roller:

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[lio45]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

What's the legal penalty for 'rolling coal'? It should be very harsh... I vote $1000 fine on first offence, revocation of registration on second.

Each province has its own emissions requirements, and in some of them, there's no emissions testing, so black (or blue, or white) smoke is, in and of itself, not illegal.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by esquire

On the bright side, if a few more morons like this start doing this, it will lead to mandatory vehicle emissions testing in Manitoba, for sure. Maybe in addition to that we need to make it socially acceptable for mobs to descend upon, and smash these cancer machines to bits whenever one is spotted.

You don't already? One of the few good legacy things from the Harris years in Ontario. I think BC did the same thing around 1992 and Quebec.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ This.

You guys are a bit dumb if you're saying this seriously
Maybe in North Korea... (oh yeah, and death penalty for the driver, too, while at it.)

Personally, I'd just give cops the power to send vehicles to emissions testing, and have broad emissions targets (depending on the model year and vehicle). Anyone who totally fails to be anywhere close to what would normally be expected for that model in terms of emissions (souped up Civic with no cat and muffler, rolling coal Cummins, etc.) gets a warning, and might even be added to a list of targets for further random testing, with escalating penalty amounts for further offenses.

[1overcosc]

^ Considering how harmful these chemicals are for other people and for the environment, I'd say that's way too lenient.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Daveography

^ Immediate confiscation of vehicle as being unroadworthy. No warnings.

If you click on the SSP Canada "What is your car?" thread you will see my VW diesel... I drove that thing for 1.5 year before I realized one day --by pure chance-- that it had no catalytic converter. (The previous owner is the one who dropped that engine in it and he's also the one who did the exhaust system).

It would be totally ridiculous to not give warnings to people. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd have had solid legal grounds to demand a warning.

P.S. Quebec doesn't have emissions testing, otherwise I would have spotted it at that time.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

^ Considering how harmful these chemicals are for other people and for the environment, I'd say that's way too lenient.

In the grand scheme of things I think it's the most enviro-friendly way to proceed. (Keeping in mind that every dollar spend on mandatory emissions testing can't be spent on things that have even bigger environmental benefits.)

There's some logic behind having no emissions testing. Cars get cleaner all the time, and most people (like 99.99%+ of people) don't modify their cars.

The provinces and states that choose to save money by skipping emissions enforcement can use that for other green projects and initiatives that show greater promise/return -- and what's currently on the road in these provinces is nonetheless cleaner than ever thanks to simply the passage of time and natural replacement of older vehicles by newer ones.

[Rusty van Reddick]

Hey lio45, in light of the mass murder in South Carolina, have you removed that symbol of racist hate from your car?

[lio45]

^ That's even further off-topic than mandatory emissions testing... are you really sure you don't have better things to do? But since you ask, FYI, it went away at the same time as my old bumper (and tailgate and a bunch of other parts) when I swapped them for brand new rust-free ones a couple years ago.

I'm probably a lot less race-obsessed than many of you guys as I actually don't care about race when dealing with individual people. Most of my tenants in FL are black and have no complaints, in fact I've always been a way more generous than average landlord to decent tenants. Plus I think I'm one of the only whites I know who's fully confortable walking in black neighborhoods, chatting with people, going into mom and pop shops where everyone else is black, etc. (Speaking of race... I don't suppose you saw those Tosin007 posts before that thread got cleaned?)

Anyway... do you have anything to say about ugly buildings (or maybe even about rolling coal since it now seems to be somewhat on topic), or not at all?

[lio45]

To elaborate on my previous point re: the cost of implementing and enforcing mandatory emissions testing when there's none... I'd say that dollars spent on things like getting away from fossil fuels as a source of electricity (didn't Ontario recently spend a bundle on that?) are probably much better invested. Environmentally-speaking, I'm pretty sure I'd rather have no emissions testing but all power coming from renewable sources. I don't recall the latest numbers for the rate of fossil fuel power generation in AB but I know that's something you guys should be working on, Reddy

[esquire]

Originally Posted by lio45

You guys are a bit dumb if you're saying this seriously
Maybe in North Korea... (oh yeah, and death penalty for the driver, too, while at it.)

Can we really? Summary roadside execution for coal rollers. Sounds pretty good to me, and I'm sure that you of all people would appreciate such an efficient approach to the administration of justice!

[lio45]

Originally Posted by esquire

Can we really? Summary roadside execution for coal rollers. Sounds pretty good to me, and I'm sure that you of all people would appreciate such an efficient approach to the administration of justice!

"Tough on Crime", huh?

While at it, I'd extend the execution policy to anyone caught driving a truck with nuts. Crime against taste.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by lio45

In the grand scheme of things I think it's the most enviro-friendly way to proceed. (Keeping in mind that every dollar spend on mandatory emissions testing can't be spent on things that have even bigger environmental benefits.)

There's some logic behind having no emissions testing. Cars get cleaner all the time, and most people (like 99.99%+ of people) don't modify their cars.

The provinces and states that choose to save money by skipping emissions enforcement can use that for other green projects and initiatives that show greater promise/return -- and what's currently on the road in these provinces is nonetheless cleaner than ever thanks to simply the passage of time and natural replacement of older vehicles by newer ones.

Seems to be these reactions aren't about a direct cause and effect type of logic. They're along the same lines of how people react to things like flag burning, or religious blasphemy or obscenity. It strikes at an extremely emotional level because the person is perceived to be attacking something fundamental to our concept of decency. The symbolism is sacrilege.