Development Rumours - Page 98

fenwick16 · #**1941** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 2:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jonovision

I was poking around this evening and found this massing model buried in the development application for the Barrington Street addition on Scotia Square. I knew a mixed use building was planned for the parkade on Brunswick but I didn't expect it to be that big given what we saw in the Cogswell renderings.

That is a huge expansion if/when it is completed. Hopefully once plans for the demolition of the Cogswell Interchange are announced it will hasten some of the plans. It would be especially nice to see the Trade Mart residential tower go ahead.

hokus83 · #**1942** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 3:03 AM**

I think they should do without the Albemarle st additions and constraint on the other areas unless that's extra parking levels, adding anything of anything on that street seems like a dumb dumb idea. If they flipped the Albemarle and Duke add on to Barrington and Duke connecting it to the other expansion with retail space it would be flawless and work so much better for the area. No doubt that section will be the first part they implement first and be oh well that sucked and have a delay effect on the others.

hokus83 · #**1943** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 3:12 AM**

Forgot the loading zone and ventilation are on the Barrington st side and they told Waye they can't work around those simplistic things. So it can't be done, it's impossible, technology doesn't exist to work around that or move the ventilation system to Albemarle or convert a new loading zone.

counterfactual · #**1944** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 7:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jonovision

I was poking around this evening and found this massing model buried in the development application for the Barrington Street addition on Scotia Square. I knew a mixed use building was planned for the parkade on Brunswick but I didn't expect it to be that big given what we saw in the Cogswell renderings.

Interesting. I like the part of the Barrington expansion that looks to put something in front of that hideous concrete fall where much of the bus stops are in front of Scotia Square. That is such a terrible block; at least the Delta on the other side has shop fronts. Although, it's not clear to me how they're going to do it. It looks like they're eating into a part of the street in the rendering.

As for the rest-- I actually think that triangular plot where International Place is proposed could be a nice place for a Flatiron style building. But who knows? Also, isn't International Place one of those developments like The Alexander, ongoing forever? Originally proposed in 1972 or something?

I'm kidding, but only by half.

That's great to see Crombie showing off very ambitious renderings. But I'm not going to give them much credit until they actually get some shovels in the ground. Always plenty of fancy renderings, never any muddy shovels.

In the meantime, could they finally sell Park Lane to someone who is serious and willing to invest in the mall, and attract top end clients? It's like a sad 1980s weekend in there.

jslath · #**1945** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 8:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by counterfactual

In the meantime, could they finally sell Park Lane to someone who is serious and willing to invest in the mall, and attract top end clients? It's like a sad 1980s weekend in there.

That was the plan: http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1183228-park-lane-mall-soon-to-be-sold

I guess it never happened?

OldDartmouthMark · #**1946** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by fenwick16

That is a huge expansion if/when it is completed. Hopefully once plans for the demolition of the Cogswell Interchange are announced it will hasten some of the plans. It would be especially nice to see the Trade Mart residential tower go ahead.

Wondering why the proposal is being shown with the current Cogswell layout. Won't reconfiguration give them the possibility of reconfiguring the building a little, especially around the Cogswell/Barrington area? Not sure how it will work as some of it would be city land.

Interesting, but I would like to see a plan including the new layout, which I don't believe has been finalized yet.

hokus83 · #**1947** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

Wondering why the proposal is being shown with the current Cogswell layout. Won't reconfiguration give them the possibility of reconfiguring the building a little, especially around the Cogswell/Barrington area? Not sure how it will work as some of it would be city land.

Interesting, but I would like to see a plan including the new layout, which I don't believe has been finalized yet.

It's a very old photo, I've seen it before. It predates the new Brunswick st buildings.

counterfactual · #**1948** Posted **Jun 19, 2015, 11:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by jslath

That was the plan: http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1183228-park-lane-mall-soon-to-be-sold

I guess it never happened?

Yes, and it never happened.

Probably asking too much?

OldDartmouthMark · #**1949** Posted **Jun 19, 2015, 1:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by hokus83

It's a very old photo, I've seen it before. It predates the new Brunswick st buildings.

Right... didn't notice that at first. Interesting proposal though.

Jstaleness · #**1950** Posted **Jun 19, 2015, 9:57 PM**

What was Crombie's guess as to when they would look at the market for International Place again? For some reason I thought it was 2017-2018? It's not dead yet right?

counterfactual · #**1951** Posted **Jun 20, 2015, 9:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by hokus83

It's a very old photo, I've seen it before. It predates the new Brunswick st buildings.

It probably also pre-dates Fall of the Berlin Wall, the Napoleonic Wars, and the Fourth Crusade, given how quickly Crombie does development.

Can someone carbon date this rendering? That'll give us a more accurate picture.

planarchy · #**1952** Posted **Jun 30, 2015, 10:25 PM**

Can't confirm, but I understand Ross Cantwell has purchased or has an option to purchase the former Sobey's site on Gottingen (Gottingen Terrace site). They'd been digging test pits this week. Not sure if this is the Housing Trust or something else. The Housing Trust's website has disappeared as of a few weeks ago...?

planarchy · #**1953** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 1:28 AM**

Signs up in the old second cup for redevelopment of the Doyle Street Block. There are some renderings shown as well. Don't know for sure, but they look like there are done by DSRA. Looks good.

teddifax · #**1954** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 2:25 AM**

Are there any building plans to show on this?

Drybrain · #**1955** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by planarchy

Signs up in the old second cup for redevelopment of the Doyle Street Block. There are some renderings shown as well. Don't know for sure, but they look like there are done by DSRA. Looks good.

Please tell me it isn't this.

Edit: Never mind, found it with a twitter search.

Way better than I expected, but totally obliterates the block as it is now. Not a brick left, even of the BMO building. Super disappointing to see such a unique block just wiped out, even if it is for a better-than-average development. We can always build new; historic building stock is a finite resource, and this block is one the city's best.

hokus83 · #**1956** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 5:20 AM**

what a disappointment

planarchy · #**1957** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 11:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by teddifax

Are there any building plans to show on this?

I don't think so yet - but would expect to see it before the Design Review Committee soon and plans should be available then.

Jonovision · #**1958** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 3:28 PM**

Here are the pics first hand of the renderings. The first one appears to show the corner of Doyle and Queen with the library in the background. The second I think is looking at the Spring Garden Frontage with Brunswick and the old library in the background.

Drybrain · #**1959** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 5:06 PM**

Looking at the rendering I find it extremely easy to imagine the Victorian brick townhouses on the Brunswick side, plus the front portion of the BMO building, (with the interior lobby deco detailing), being incorporated gracefully into this design, with the new building set back, and fronting the other three streets (plus the space where the TD Building is now). It'd lose some square footage, but it'd be a way better project. And maybe they could get a height boost, though I think this design reaches the post-bonus max.

someone123 · #**1960** Posted **Jul 5, 2015, 5:14 PM**

Too bad. From what I can tell in the renderings it looks great. If it were going up on a parking lot or if there were a good plan in place to preserve most of the heritage value of the existing buildings it would be an excellent proposal.

Maybe the developer could at least pack up the sandstone facade of the BMO building and use it somewhere else?