Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2 - Page 75

Coldrsx · #**1481** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 2:16 AM**

'Commonwealth is a beauty It really is and Edmonton has probably never been so proud to call it their own. But that field needs to be dug down and those seats need to be extended closer to the action. They have got almost 40 years out of the place with minimal investment and its what? half way through its shelf life? maybe? Is a 35M renovation really out of the question? I doubt tax payers would even bat an eye when they get to avoid 200-300M to a new Stadium. The ol girl just needs some modernization to ad to the experience.'

Can't wont happen

EpicPonyTime · #**1482** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 4:08 AM**

I don't think there's anything wrong with BMO. Clearly, right now it's an unfinished stadium and people should treat it as such. Once the roof gets put on it's going to do TONS for the atmosphere and look. I'd agree it shouldn't be our national stadium, however; BC Place is the best stadium in the country and Commonwealth is clearly the best for soccer.

elly63 · #**1483** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 9:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

They have got almost 40 years out of the place with minimal investment and its what? half way through its shelf life? maybe? Is a 35M renovation really out of the question? I doubt tax payers would even bat an eye when they get to avoid 200-300M to a new Stadium. The ol girl just needs some modernization to ad to the experience.

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Johnny Tsunami · #**1484** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 1:04 PM**

Stadia (just wanted to say stadia)

mistercorporate · #**1485** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 1:52 PM**

I think those criticizing BMO as a soccer venue don't understand it's purpose and context. It's meant to have a traditional club soccer vibe with amenities and space for the national team to seat their spectators. It's not to be a North American style aesthetically pleasing stadium, the intimate vibe is part of its appeal. You don't get many attractive stadiums in Europe or South America until you get in the 60,000+ seats range. The Rogers Center is clearly the stadium that plays the showcase role in Toronto, even for soccer matches (the large ones). BMO is the smaller sibling that prioritizes local club soccer and the national team (which brings small turnouts). Edmonton is a fantastic choice for these WWC matches and converts quite well to a turf pitch, the running track is hardly noticeable the way they covered it.

Coldrsx · #**1486** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 2:10 PM**

Our view from Sat.

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/coldrsx105/DSC00019_zpsnhlzyidb.jpg)

thurmas · #**1487** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 2:26 PM**

It will be interesting to find out when the final and more detailed renderings of BMO come out for Argos mode.

Riise · #**1488** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 3:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by king10

Is there a written code that stadiums have to have symmetrical seats?

Personally, it is not down to symmetry and rows matching up but the presence of a thoughtful, flowing design.

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

I think those criticizing BMO as a soccer venue don't understand it's purpose and context. It's meant to have a traditional club soccer vibe with amenities and space for the national team to seat their spectators. It's not to be a North American style aesthetically pleasing stadium, the intimate vibe is part of its appeal. You don't get many attractive stadiums in Europe or South America until you get in the 60,000+ seats range.

As someone who has been going to football matches since well before TFC was even an idea, I know what makes a football ground work well for supporters. While BMO does deserve points for keeping spectators close to the action, it is going to lose points for its stands having a very temporary feel. Setting aside the aesthetics and grandeur, when I attended a match at BMO the ground lacked that feeling of permanence and that does affect football supporters.

When people say that BMO will be one of the better MLS grounds, aesthetics do have to re-enter the discussion as it is a criteria against which the best of the best are judged no?

king10 · #**1489** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riise

Personally, it is not down to symmetry and rows matching up but the presence of a thoughtful, flowing design.

As someone who has been going to football matches since well before TFC was even an idea, I know what makes a football ground work well for supporters. While BMO does deserve points for keeping spectators close to the action, it is going to lose points for its stands having a very temporary feel. Setting aside the aesthetics and grandeur, when I attended a match at BMO the ground lacked that feeling of permanence and that does affect football supporters.

When people say that BMO will be one of the better MLS grounds, aesthetics do have to re-enter the discussion as it is a criteria against which the best of the best are judged no?

Im not sure. Some of the best grounds in England are far from aesthetically pleasing yet people rave about how great the stadium and experience is.

esquire · #**1490** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Commonwealth is a beauty It really is and Edmonton has probably never been so proud to call it their own. But that field needs to be dug down and those seats need to be extended closer to the action. They have got almost 40 years out of the place with minimal investment and its what? half way through its shelf life? maybe? Is a 35M renovation really out of the question? I doubt tax payers would even bat an eye when they get to avoid 200-300M to a new Stadium. The ol girl just needs some modernization to ad to the experience.

They just renovated it... new seats, new jumbotron, the club seating/patio thing on the south end, the training centre/fieldhouse, the new playing surface, and it hasn't even been that long since they expanded the concourses with the unfortunately ugly additions dating back to the 2001 IAAF Worlds. What more needs to be done? Sinking the field to add seats is lunacy because it doesn't bring the existing seats any closer to the field... all that is is an exercise in expanding the stadium's capacity, which is not necessary in Edmonton.

Black Star · #**1491** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Our view from Sat.

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/coldrsx105/DSC00019_zpsnhlzyidb.jpg)

Now that's a Stadium

Johnny Tsunami · #**1492** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 3:39 PM**

The problem with stadiums in Canada is that there's too much renovating and/or piecemeal improvements going on.

I'm still in shock over Winnipeg and Regina.

Oilkountry · #**1493** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 3:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Can't wont happen

Its your god given right to have your own opinion but if you're going to disagree with me at least back your opinions with reason not just a simple..."nope". It can absolutely happen. A few excavators and some concrete It's really not even that big of a project

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What are you confused about? I think over a 4 decade span, New seats, 2 scoreboards, a few turfs and a facade renovation can easily be defined as Minimal investment

GoTrans · #**1494** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Black Star

Now that's a Stadium

And it has LRT access unlike BMO.

mistercorporate · #**1495** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoTrans

And it has LRT access unlike BMO.

BMO is next to a GO station and a few minutes from Union Station by rail.

Oilkountry · #**1496** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Tsunami

The problem with stadiums in Canada is that there's too much renovating and/or piecemeal improvements going on.

I'm still in shock over Winnipeg and Regina.

Not sure I agree. BC place is one of the most spectacular stadiums in North America and it was reno'd, BMO is gonna be great when its finished. Yeah its a Frankenstein stadium but It will be superior to THF and TD place in a lot of ways and superior to BC place and CWS in other ways. To me Ottawa and Montreal have the "is what it is" Stadiums in this country and TD really isn't even that bad and really has a lot of potential compared to Molson. Since when did we become so picky on symmetry? Actually when did we become so picky period? 5 years ago faded red seat commonwealth was the premier CFL Stadium in this country. Now BMO which has every amenity a modern stadium could have is unethical because one of the stands is substandard?

When it comes to atmosphere

New Mosiac
IGF
BMO
TD place
THF
McMahon
Molson
BCP
CWS

If we are talking about Amenities BMO has more clubs and suites than basically every other CFL stadium, A canopy, ribbon boards, endzone seating and huge HD scoreboard, 100% Individual seating indoor concourses, close to public transit ect.

king10 · #**1497** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 4:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

BMO is next to a GO station and a few minutes from Union Station by rail.

Street car line next door as well.

king10 · #**1498** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Not sure I agree. BC place is one of the most spectacular stadiums in North America and it was reno'd, BMO is gonna be great when its finished. Yeah its a Frankenstein stadium but It will be superior to THF and TD place in a lot of ways and superior to BC place and CWS in other ways. To me Ottawa and Montreal have the "is what it is" Stadiums in this country and TD really isn't even that bad and really has a lot of potential compared to Molson. Since when did we become so picky on symmetry? Actually when did we become so picky period? 5 years ago faded red seat commonwealth was the premier CFL Stadium in this country. Now BMO which has every amenity a modern stadium could have is unethical because one of the stands is substandard?

When it comes to atmosphere

New Mosiac
IGF
BMO
TD place
THF
McMahon
Molson
BCP
CWS

If we are talking about Amenities BMO has more clubs and suites than basically every other CFL stadium combined, A canopy

Good point. 5 years ago our stadium situ was horrible. Now we're in the midst of rennasaince and people expectations are much higher to a point where something like BMO would be welcomed 5 to 10 years ago.

Just think, we had ivor wynne, canad inns, and soon to be removed taylor field. Ivor Wynne was hillarious. Probably one of the worst stadiums in the developed world. But damn i loved( and miss ) that place.

esquire · #**1499** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 4:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

If we are talking about Amenities BMO has more clubs and suites than basically every other CFL stadium combined, A canopy

Let's get some numbers... BMO doesn't look like it has THAT many clubs and suites.

Once NMS opens, the only real "Franken-stadiums" that will be left are TD and Molson. And Molson pulls it off well in that wonky, old Fenway Park kind of way.

As for McMahon, even though it's old, it was built as a whole and has maintained a remarkable level of symmetry through the years.

esquire · #**1500** Posted **Jun 8, 2015, 4:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by king10

Good point. 5 years ago our stadium situ was horrible. Now we're in the midst of rennasaince and people expectations are much higher to a point where something like BMO would be welcomed 5 to 10 years ago.

The thing with Beamo is that whereas NMS and IGF represent a big step in the evolution of stadiums, Beamo just looks like a rebuilt version of Lansdowne Stadium in Ottawa... yeah it has club seats and other places where MLSE can take your money, but the basic built form is no different than a CFL stadium circa 1969 with a mismatched jumble of stands. That's partly why it's such a letdown.

By MLS standards it's not bad since MLS stadiums tend to be on the smaller and more modest side, but by CFL standards it's underwhelming and by "national soccer stadium" standards it's a complete and utter joke.