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Old Posted May 30, 2015, 6:47 AM
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I understood your points you made and I rebutted them. I struggle to see your negatives truley as negatives for me. So Utah has more daycares than bars. I could see how this could be a problem to some, but not to the majority of those who live here. A young population is far more advantageous in the long run in my opinion. Being that Utah has a higher income per capita than the national average, I would hardly agree that the babies are sapping economic resources, only diverting them to other industires. The population here spends its money differently than other places, but not any less. Lots of babbies are a boon to some industries, not so much to others. Babbies can actually generate quite a bit of economic activity when you think about everything that goes into home building to house them: construction, electricians, plumbers, window installers, landscaping, roofing, flooring, etc, etc. According to one study done by the Nat'll Association of Homebuilders, construction of 100 single-family homes generates $32.3 million in tax revenue and supports 394 jobs. 100 rental units, on the other hand, only generate $13.9 million in tax revenues and 161 jobs (so, less than half). Median household income in UT is higher than the national average and the number of college grads is also higher. At 62.5%, Utah's employment-to-population ratio is also "significantly above" the national average of 58.4% (meaning Utah has more people working to support its population).

NAHB Housing Study: http://www.nahb.org/~/media/Sites/NAHB/L...1-REPORT_local_20150318115955.ashx?la=en

Employment-to-pop ratio by state: http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2012/ted_20120301.htm

Census Stats (including household income and college grads):http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/49000.html


I would be far more concerned about the fickle nature of external growth-driven societies than internal ones. I can think of at least a dozen states that did not have the internal dynamic and died as soon as the industry-lead boom busted. I don't see Mormon culture busting in the next few years. What you're talking about would take decades of shifting values/norms. An external growth-driven society can change in just a few years. Utah has a long, steady tradition of growing internally. Yes, it is always posisble that may change, but not very probable given its history. The demographics in SLC are simply apples to oranges when compared to Portland. Portland isn't the motherland of a major religion that is very family-oriented, nor is it hardly religious at all in general compared to other places. What happened there was a result of its own cultural norms. Utah's norms are much different.

I think we can agree that a good mix of both is optimal, we just clash on which is more important. I am perfectly happy with Utah's inherent internal growth engine. It would be greater with more external growth, of course. However, I would not give up the internal growth dynamic for anything. I also agree with you that suburban growth must be done in a smart way with appropriate lot size and density requirements along with green space and mass transit. Utah has made good progress, but still has a lot to be done to improve. I would take our lot the way it is, though. We have it better than many other places.
What is more important, though? Utah is not a tax rich state. We have schools that are pinched because of finances, a government that refuses to expand healthcare to the thousands of citizens who can't afford plans, high school graduation rates that were, a decade ago, the best in the country and now, a decade later, at best the middle of the country - but far from stellar. Utah also has a child poverty rate that is rising, and nearly 400,000 Utahns live below the poverty level. In Salt Lake County alone, almost 20% of the children live in poverty.

Because of this, Utah is actually worse than the national average for poverty - and Utah ranked 28th in food shortage (families who were food insecure). While improving, we also rank 35th nationally in affordable housing, again worse than the national average. We also rank 40th in health insurance coverage.

My point is that some of this is an extension of our high youth population, smaller workforce (who then pay taxes locally), tax laws that put the burden on some and are lax for others solely because of a lifestyle choice - and that doesn't even get into the demographics that still favor suburban living over urban living. That imbalance is a reason we still sprawl the way we do, embrace the automobile at the rate we do and that isn't likely to change anytime soon because of the growth patterns that aren't changing.

Our entire state's growth rate is basically fueled by housewives pumping out children. That's not very sustainable in the long run - and moreover, we're screwed if, one day, it's decided that big families aren't necessary and there's a push for smaller families for economic reasons.

Beyond all that, though, it comes back to the question everyone refuses to want to answer - why is Utah so toxic to the rest of the country? I get some snobby Utahns will say, "who needs 'em! We don't need outsiders, anyway," but it goes to the bigger picture - why is it that Utah, with so many college educated citizens, have limited income? Why is it that, with our economy, we only have ONE Fortune 500 company - with one of the lowest market capitalizations on the list? We're closer to Kansas than we are Oregon in that regard.

Even if you expand that list to Fortune 1000, Utah only has four - two more than little ol' Vermont. Nebraska has 11. Nevada 8. Colorado 20. Iowa 5.

We talk about SLC and Utah being at the world's door, and to be a truly global city and a truly global state, we've got to have truly global people. Yes, a bulk of the people here will serve missions, which allows 'em two years abroad, but our scope still remains extremely limited.

We need a healthy balance. This isn't a debate about what is better - what is worse, though, is Utah's current trajectory because I maintain it isn't sustainable. It's deluding the pool. But if you're all fine with Utah not being a destination state or city, fine. I'm not.
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2015, 6:57 AM
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Tell that to all those fools building THOUSANDS of new apartment units in SLC.
Tell 'em what? There was a 1,000 units added to the city in the 1980s despite huge population losses. That doesn't mean anything in the end when the population demand is slowing. SLC is building more apartments and that's awesome, but on the whole, the population is not growing at near the rate it was in the 90s. There is no argument to suggest it is - and all the thousands of apartments isn't changing that. The 90s saw a huge influx in population, and while SLC is experiencing more development, it doesn't change the fact SLC didn't see an overall gain between the 2013 and 2014 estimates. I don't think we should read too much into those numbers, as it could be just noise, but there's noise there for a reason - the population isn't growing at the rate it was in the 2000s and certainly not at the rate it was in the 90s. I don't believe that's been solely due to a cap caused by our city limits - or there wouldn't be an uptick in vacant housing and the total amount of units built in the 00s wouldn't rival what we saw in the 90s - it would exceed that overall - going against the point that was made that in the 90s, there was no need for new development since people were moving into established housing, which is part of it, but if that was the case, and the demand actually remained the same, the level of new development would dramatically exceed what we saw in the 90s. In fact, it hasn't. It was almost identical to the new development built in the 90s.
     
     
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Tell 'em what? There was a 1,000 units added to the city in the 1980s despite huge population losses.
There are over 6,000 new rental units under construction or in true pipeline in Salt Lake County alone. That's over 25 % above the 10-year mean. Millennials and Gen Y are much more likely to rent, not be married or have kids. That is what is driving our growth. They typically don't spend on housing, but spend money on travel, food, beverage, recreation and music. That is the population we are adding and I would argue SHOULD be adding. The "golden goose" target market for multifamily is the 28 year old professional female for a reason.

I'm telling you now that just because our net influx rate does not include huge families, the sky is not falling. In fact, our high internal replenishment rate is an absolute anomaly that will give us a long-term demographic advantage that no other metro has. We are not in a secret depression in Utah. As I've said before, previous demographic markers are not as useful any more. The population has changed. Living habits have changed. The data from the '80's isn't really applicable without taking into account changing living habits. An incoming working professional will spend more than twice that of an incoming family in cultural amenities per capita.

So, as I've said, our lack of raw population increase means next to nothing. I really don't care that a massive influx of poor families in St Louis are moving to Denver. We are adding less population, but the population we are adding makes and spends more.
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2015, 4:39 PM
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Edit, from Equimark: There are 4,839 units currently under construction in Salt Lake County and 6,484 units scheduled to start in the next 18 months. On average approximately 1,223 units per year have been delivered to the Greater Salt Lake market over the last 10 years.
     
     
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I haven't posted on this topic of internal and external population growth discussion but figured I throw in my thought that I have had in my head since this started. Lets just say, "what if" the reason why we don't see as much external grown is because of our large young population. When a company moves or starts up an office in a new state, that company usually needs to transfer a good amount of its workforce to the new location. Here in Utah, because of so many universities and our young population, they just have to move enough to train people here and hire within the state.

I guess we should look at our growth for population percentage and job growth percentage and compare it to other states and see if there really has been a need for a huge amount of external influx of people to fill the jobs that are created.

Comrade, I totally understand your point of seeing a larger external growth but I don't see that happening unless our job growth outpaces our current internal growth we have in this state.
Job growth in Utah is double the national average. Nationally, the job market grew by 2.2% from March 2014 to March 2015. In Utah, it grew by 4% (the fastest state in the nation!) If our population only grew by 1.4% last year, that is a phenominal growth figure for job creation. That means that the vast majority of those jobs went to locals. I know that at Goldman, Fidelity, and E*Trade the vast majority of workers are local. At Fidelity I only met 2 people at my site that had relocated. E*Trade was similar. At the conference I attended at Goldman, they said that the biggest school they recruit from company-wide is BYU (another reason the chose to move into SLC).

Utah Job Growth:https://jobs.utah.gov/wi/pubs/une/
Utah has largest over-the-year percentage gain in employment: http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/utah-ha...ercent-gain-in-employment-april-2015.htm


Then if you look at the job vacancy rate, Utah's is at 2.1% compared to the national average of 3.4%. This means that employers in Utah are better able to find skilled labor to fill positions than the national average. You could think of this rate as the other side of unemployment: rather than the percentage of people willing and able to work that can't find jobs, it's the percentage of job openings that are willing and able to hire someone, but can't find anyone with sufficient skills and qualifications.

Utah occupational vacancy rate: https://jobs.utah.gov/wi/pubs/jvs/2004q4/metro.html
The latest JOLTS survey done by the BLS: Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey (U.S.): http://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.htm


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I like your overall message but have to disagree on this. I like to joke that SLC is like Portland but with good looking women and less pretensions. The reality is that while Church HQ is downtown, the majority of Mormons fled a long time ago. But you really can't paint a brush one way or another across the Wasatch as Salt Lake, Ogden, Provo, Park City and West Valley etc are completely different from each other. That's really one of the things that I love about our state.

I think all of the chatter about the "predominant culture" is mostly poppycock and counterproductive. It really creates an imaginary "us and them" mentality on both sides. Even worse, it's friggin' old, tired and boring. I know I'm sick of it. I am a 20 year bar guy and I have devout Mormon friends who like to be near theater, artisan food and culture and don't have kids or massive families. That issue is one that has come up at general conference a few times. Mormons aren't marrying as young or having as many children, so even the "predominant culture" is changing rapidly.
You completely missed my point on this topic, and I take full credit for not being very clear. When I said "SLC" I was referring to the CSA. When referring to the CSA, I was only speaking about demographic growth and how Mormon culture pertains to that growth (absolutely nothing to do with an "us vs them" or lifestyle aspect of culture.) Comrade and I were talking about how in Portland there was a cultural demographic shift from larger families to smaller ones. My point was that in the SLC CSA, that shift is unlikely to occur the way it did in Portland because (like it or not) Mormon culture still drives demographic growth here. Figures tend to range all over the place in what percentage of the population is actually Mormon, but I think it's safe to say that across the CSA it is still over half the population. That is more than enough to influence demographic growth when over half the population has larger families. I was not talking down on Portland or its culture either. I whole-heartedly wouldn't change Portland for anything either. Let's keep it weird by all means. I was simply saying that a demographic shift that occured there (an external-growth area) was unlikely to occur here because of demographics. Such a shift would have a negative impact on Utah (an internal-growth area) were it to occur here.

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Makes for some great reading too...

Just a little repost below for those who might have missed it the first time...

The Wasatch Front is gaining multifamily dwellings at a pace unseen for more than a generation.

"We've never seen so much new construction in Salt Lake," said Sage Sawyer, a principal at EquiMark. The last boom even comparable was 30 years ago, he said, when apartment building accelerated as the U.S. came out of a global economic recession in the early 1980s.

By Tony Semerad - The Salt Lake Tribune
http://www.sltrib.com/news/2287838-155/utah-apartment-boom-making-history-

The Wasatch Front apartment-building wave continues to make history while also contributing billions of dollars to the local economy, new numbers indicate.

One industry report says the region is gaining multifamily dwellings at a pace unseen for more than a generation. Separate research estimates the financial benefits from new apartment construction, property management and spending by incoming renters at about $2.7 billion for Salt Lake City just in 2013, cash that supported more than 24,800 jobs.

"It's definitely a boom time," said Paul Smith, executive director of the Utah Apartment Association. ..


(Trent Nelson | The Salt Lake Tribune) Construction is ongoing at Enclave at 1400, a 210-unit complex in Salt Lake City, Friday March 13, 2015. New numbers show the Wasatch Front's apartment-building boom continues to make history while also contributing billions of dollars to the local economy.

The state's healthy economy and steady population growth have combined with a national downturn in home ownership and shifts in preferences for mobility and urban living as a vast cohort of younger adults known as millennials form their own households. Up against rising prices on single-family houses, tighter lending rules and lagging incomes, many are opting to rent instead of buy, at least in the short term.

After a decade of adding an average of 1,223 new apartments annually, the greater Salt Lake City area could see up to eight times that many units come online in the next three years, according to EquiMark, which tracks the industry in Utah.

Nearly 4,839 apartments are under construction in Salt Lake County alone and work will start on an additional 6,484 units in the next 18 months. Together, those new dwellings amount to about 10 percent of Salt Lake County's existing inventory of 120,389 multifamily rental units.

Another 9,944 apartments are either planned or under construction across Davis, Utah and Weber counties, EquiMark said. Researchers documented 122 apartment projects being built or proposed across the four-county area, each with scores to hundreds of units apiece.

"We've never seen so much new construction in Salt Lake," said Sage Sawyer, a principal at EquiMark. The last boom even comparable was 30 years ago, he said, when apartment building accelerated as the U.S. came out of a global economic recession in the early 1980s.

In Salt Lake County, the new construction is focused in Salt Lake City's downtown, cities in the south end of the valley and along light-rail lines...

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Old Posted May 30, 2015, 9:11 PM
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There are over 6,000 new rental units under construction or in true pipeline in Salt Lake County alone. That's over 25 % above the 10-year mean. Millennials and Gen Y are much more likely to rent, not be married or have kids. That is what is driving our growth. They typically don't spend on housing, but spend money on travel, food, beverage, recreation and music. That is the population we are adding and I would argue SHOULD be adding. The "golden goose" target market for multifamily is the 28 year old professional female for a reason.
Oh I absolutely agree - but Millennials and Gen Yers in Utah are NOT the same as the national average - they are less likely to rent, more likely to be married and have kids then their national counterparts. Utah has a HUGE young population, which isn't surprising, since they are the youngest state in the country - and yet their numbers don't necessarily show that. There's going to always be development - even rust belt cities who lose population yearly see new development spring up. But how many non-apartment housing units are going up? My guess is it's more than triple what we're seeing with apartments.


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I'm telling you now that just because our net influx rate does not include huge families, the sky is not falling. In fact, our high internal replenishment rate is an absolute anomaly that will give us a long-term demographic advantage that no other metro has. We are not in a secret depression in Utah. As I've said before, previous demographic markers are not as useful any more. The population has changed. Living habits have changed. The data from the '80's isn't really applicable without taking into account changing living habits. An incoming working professional will spend more than twice that of an incoming family in cultural amenities per capita.
I don't think the sky is falling, but we've got to reverse such an unbalanced trend or no, I hate to break it to you, there won't be a long-term advantage. I already mapped out the problems with Utah's current system - from education to healthcare - and those will only worsen the more our population continues to expand without any true taxable base. So, we've got a lot of hands in the pot and not near the level of equal replenishment - and that doesn't get into the fact that there were recent studies that suggested, on the whole, Utah loses more people than they gain, especially compared to other western states. That means, while a great deal of people born in Utah stay in Utah, a lot aren't - and we're not replacing them at near the rate we should be in the end. We're replacing 24 year olds who are relocating to Seattle with 24 month year olds. That's not an even balance.

You're kind of seeing this phenomenon on the national level with Social Security, but in a reversed kinda way - there's more people collecting and less people paying into it than a generation ago. The similarity with Utah is that a huge chunk of our population is not in the workforce, which means they're not paying any local taxes, they're not creating new jobs, they're not bringing in any type of income whatsoever - either because they're too young or a full-time college student. When they become of age, are ready to enter the workforce,

That shifts the burden to those who do work, or it forces the state to find other avenues to raise taxes because we now have that flat tax, which means there's an even amount of tax investment across the board - so, with the richest of the rich paying a same percentage of their income as someone who's making $20,000 a year (which would be much smaller than in some other state). So, they make up for it by cutting social programs, not expanding medicaid to lower-income residents, who have grown a lot as a percentage of our population over the years, fight to invest in education, which means we have larger class sizes with our larger families, and then the legislature proposes even bigger cuts to education.

They cut and cut to find that budget surplus Utah lawmakers are so happy to tout - but then give the governor a raise. They then shift the tax burden to those who purchase liquor or drive their car or smoke cigarettes.

Our schools are not good anymore. We used to be the top state for education and we're not anymore. It's a direct connection to our growth. We have too many children and not enough to tax payers to help bolster the overall costs it takes.

Hell, look at the cuts we've seen with DABC - the government is receiving record profits from liquor sales and yet turn around and cut funding, which then forces employees out of jobs, stores to close, and then we wonder why no one wants to live in Utah who wasn't already born here?

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So, as I've said, our lack of raw population increase means next to nothing. I really don't care that a massive influx of poor families in St Louis are moving to Denver. We are adding less population, but the population we are adding makes and spends more.
It absolutely means something - it means people who aren't born in Utah don't want to live in Utah. That's a pretty big something.

Also, I doubt it's the poor people from St. Louis who's fueling Denver's growth. Moreover, it's just not true that we're adding people who make and spend more - we're adding babies. They make nothing and they spend nothing.
     
     
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In fact, our high internal replenishment rate is an absolute anomaly that will give us a long-term demographic advantage that no other metro has. We are not in a secret depression in Utah.
I would have to agree with you on this specific point. Utah is actually doing quite well by most measures. While you can always dig up something negative, Utah is still indeed booming in many ways. The fact that even though our population growth dipped a little, but our job growth rate jumped to the highest in the nation (double the national average), is an incredible indication of an economic boom. Our houshold income per capita is nearly $6,000 higher than the national average, we have more college grads than the national average, we have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the nation, our occupational turnover rate is far more effecient than the national average. We are adding jobs like crazy, getting paid more, graduating more, filling our job vacancies with qualified people more, etc, etc.

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Moreover, it's just not true that we're adding people who make and spend more - we're adding babies. They make nothing and they spend nothing.
We do actually make more money in Utah. Median household income is $58,800 ($5,800 higher than the national figure.) We also have more people working (62% of the population compared to 58% nationwide.) I don't understand why you claim we make and spend less when the figures indicate the contrary. People in Utah may spend less on certain prducts/industries/venues, but they still spend more overall.

I also disagree that we can not afford our babbies in Utah. Our tax revenues are steady, and having 4% more of our population working than the national average, we have more income tax revenues going into the system. Our mediam home value is 20% higher than the national average, which means we pay more in property taxes that infuse local government coffers with more property tax revenue. We consistantly run budget surpluses and just had another $166 million surplus last budget year. After statuatory-mandated earmarking for the Rainy Day and Disaster Recovery Funds, we still had $112 million left over (with 94% of that going towards education.

http://www.sltrib.com/info/staff/1581248-155/budget-million-surplus-166-higher-education

I would also like to stress another important point. At an abismal 0.7%, the U.S. as a whole grew at the slowest pace last year than it has in nearly 80 years. Net immigration inflows slowed across the country. What happened in Utah was affected by the national trend. Utah's 1.4% growth is still double the national average. I sure apreciate our internal growth engine in years like this. In an unrelated sidenote, we just passed Kansas to claim the rank of 33rd most populous state, bringing us within striking distance of Arkansas and Mississippi (only 40,000 more to surpass AR and 60,000 more to pass MS.)

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Figures released Monday by the U.S. Census Bureau show that growth for the 12 months ending July 1 was 0.71%, or just under 2.3 million people. That's the slowest since 1937, according to Brookings Institution demographer William Frey, who called this year's growth "underwhelming."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...ate-population-estimates-growth/4248089/

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Comrade, I don't get where your "SLC is growing at an even slower rate than the '00s" statement is coming from. SLC grew by 2.6% from 2000-2009, and 2.5% from 2010-2013. So...how is that a slower rate of growth?

You say that the newest estimates of SLC slightly declining in population are just noise, yet you seem to really be harping that point on why SLC is struggling to attract people.

I don't see how you can ignore the literally thousands of apartment units that are currently being built or will be built soon in the city.

How about we wait 3 or 4 more years before declaring that the sky is falling?
     
     
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I don't see how you can ignore the literally thousands of apartment units that are currently being built or will be built soon in the city.

How about we wait 3 or 4 more years before declaring that the sky is falling?
When we had the last apartment boom in the '80s, they overbuilt and had a glut of apartments for over a decade. At the height of the glut, they were giving away 6 months free rent, microwaves, TVs, VCRs, etc. to get people to sign leases.
     
     
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I have photos of my walk around the city, but I do not know where to post them. The last time I posted photos of my walk I posted them in a Salt Lake City Photo thread, but I can not find that thread anymore. I don't know what ever happened to those photos and that link.

I do not want to create a new thread because I think there are too many already. Can someone suggest where I should post them?

I was going to post them in the Salt Lake City development thread to break it up a bit, but thought they should be posted in a photo thread instead just in case there are those who object..

Any suggestions would be great.
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You know you are from Utah, if you have a blonde shade of hair, a wide forehead and big teeth....

If you lined up a bunch of folks from other parts of the country and throw in a couple from Utah, I could spot the Utah oddities within seconds. That goofy, inbred look is unmistakable.

Naw, I think you're just ignorant. Utah doesn't have a lot of diversity in its white population. That's not the same as inbred. That would be like you going to Sweden and picking out how most the white people share the same prominent features and deciding it's due to inbreeding. It's a stupid epiphany better kept to yourself. 6 year olds just starting to form categories would probably be more careful in coming to a conclusion...

Imbred white people do exist in Utah in the deep recesses of polygamous clans who have kept it in their families for 100 years and had kids before the ages of 20 (so 5 generations in 100 years). And you can actually see textbook inbreeding e.g. Hapsburg chin. They resemble many renaissance royals in appearance and have the same health issues with things like hemophilia.
     
     
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Hey Anthony, Here's the link to the thread where I think you posted your last photos. Anxious to see them. Also where ToysNoiz just posted his.

By the way, great pics ToysNoiz. I hope everyone will take a look and please leave comments guys. It's a gallery worthy set.

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=321

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I have photos of my walk around the city, but I do not know where to post them. The last time I posted photos of my walk I posted them in a Salt Lake City Photo thread, but I can not find that thread anymore. I don't know what ever happened to those photos and that link.

I do not want to create a new thread because I think there are too many already. Can someone suggest where I should post them?

I was going to post them in the Salt Lake City development thread to break it up a bit, but thought they should be posted in a photo thread instead just in case there are those who object..

Any suggestions would be great.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2015, 5:06 PM
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Hey Anthony, Here's the link to the thread where I think you posted your last photos. Anxious to see them. Also where ToysNoiz just posted his.

By the way, great pics ToysNoiz. I hope everyone will take a look and please leave comments guys. It's a gallery worthy set.

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=321
Thanks Delts,

I will start posting there. My photos are probably the same buildings over and over again so I tried to take them from different angles this time. Hope you guys like them.

Also, I did not want to post on ToysNoiz's thread and mess up his format. He seems to organize his by date and month.

ToysNoiz, if you are alright with it then I will in the future.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2015, 5:39 PM
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IMO Salt Lake City deserves to have the attention on that thread. You both have very different styles, and both of you represent Utah's beautiful capital very effectively.
     
     
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