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techchallenger · #**181** Posted **Apr 15, 2015, 2:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by FiggyOlive

I followed the line on Apple maps.. Looks like the line goes pretty close to directly underneath the Philadelphia Museum of Art!? Disastrous indeed.

A history of the line:

http://hiddencityphila.org/2015/03/a-dis...-the-collision-at-fairmount-park-tunnel/

1487 · #**182** Posted **Apr 15, 2015, 2:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by MetaldDeth81

Not sure how accurate it is.. but, Bing Maps (ugh) actually shows a path for the tracks.

http://binged.it/1IdnPcd

That is accurate. It comes out of tunnel adjacent to PA avenue and then travels parallel to the park near lemon hill.

summersm343 · #**183** Posted **Apr 23, 2015, 11:06 PM**

Zapatan · #**184** Posted **Apr 24, 2015, 1:08 AM**

I'm thrilled to see so much development in this area of the city

summersm343 · #**185** Posted **Apr 30, 2015, 11:36 PM**

ImaTeleUSomthing · #**186** Posted **May 1, 2015, 11:14 PM**

I may be missing something here, but doesn't it seem like this building's foundation requires a great amount of caisson work? It looks like a freaking caisson training camp over there.

GarCastle · #**187** Posted **May 2, 2015, 9:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by ImaTeleUSomthing

I may be missing something here, but doesn't it seem like this building's foundation requires a great amount of caisson work? It looks like a freaking caisson training camp over there.

I wonder where the flood stage is, maybe they have to over-engineer it for floods?

Cheers,
G.

shadowbat2 · #**188** Posted **May 4, 2015, 11:14 PM**

From Sunday:

094 by tehshadowbat, on Flickr

096 by tehshadowbat, on Flickr

Tire wash to keep truck dirt out of the neighborhood.

097 by tehshadowbat, on Flickr

ImaTeleUSomthing · #**189** Posted **May 4, 2015, 11:46 PM**

[QUOTE=GarCastle;7012769]I wonder where the flood stage is, maybe they have to over-engineer it for floods?

Cheers,
G.[/QUOTE

I was also thinking of the building footprint of phase one. However, the flood plane may be of more concern. Thanks GarCastle.

1487 · #**190** Posted **May 5, 2015, 1:38 PM**

Serious site work on this project, its going to be a while before anything goes vertical.

summersm343 · #**191** Posted **May 15, 2015, 1:24 AM**

livekc · #**192** Posted **May 17, 2015, 2:45 AM**

love it

Londonee · #**193** Posted **May 17, 2015, 9:12 PM**

Is this the largest project in terms of land-area going on in the city now? Dalian? East Market?

These constructions sites are MASSIVE - really hard to understand the scope of them unless you're actually there in person.

PhiLaw · #**194** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 12:22 PM**

5/31/15

kraggman · #**195** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 2:05 PM**

Another new building going up next to major rail lines. Especially a CHOP project. With all the Bakken oil incidents, these sites are worrisome.

PhiLaw · #**196** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 2:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by kraggman

Another new building going up next to major rail lines. Especially a CHOP project. With all the Bakken oil incidents, these sites are worrisome.

I'm not too worried about it. The trains at these lines and location go 10 MPH. Every Bakken derailment showed the trains going much much faster.

japmes · #**197** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 2:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhiLaw

I'm not too worried about it. The trains at these lines and location go 10 MPH. Every Bakken derailment showed the trains going much much faster.

There was an oil train derailment on the bridge going over the Schuylkill just a year or so ago. The oil container leaned precariously over the river for days.

PhiLaw · #**198** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 5:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by japmes

There was an oil train derailment on the bridge going over the Schuylkill just a year or so ago. The oil container leaned precariously over the river for days.

What's the proposed solution? Do we stop developing near train tracks or do we tear down the tracks? Somewhere in the middle? The derailment a few years ago occurred over a bridge over the Schuylkill and the Expressway. It was dangerous because it could have fallen off the bridge. A derailment next to the above building wouldn't carry as much danger.

That's not to say it isn't dangerous. But society has never attached an infinite value on human life and property. If that were the case, we wouldn't have built the Hoover Dam or the Empire State Building. Insurers concluded people were certain to die during the construction of those projects. All we should do is try to mitigate as much as possible the probability of a derailment - not stifle development.

japmes · #**199** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhiLaw

What's the proposed solution? Do we stop developing near train tracks or do we tear down the tracks? Somewhere in the middle? The derailment a few years ago occurred over a bridge over the Schuylkill and the Expressway. It was dangerous because it could have fallen off the bridge. A derailment next to the above building wouldn't carry as much danger.

That's not to say it isn't dangerous. But society has never attached an infinite value on human life and property. If that were the case, we wouldn't have built the Hoover Dam or the Empire State Building. Insurers concluded people were certain to die during the construction of those projects. All we should do is try to mitigate as much as possible the probability of a derailment - not stifle development.

For starters, we could require more transparency regarding safety for freight lines. http://www.philly.com/philly/business/transportation/Oils_secret_transit.html

From the article: "freight railroad bridges, unlike highway bridges or bridges owned by passenger train operators, are not subject to public scrutiny. The inspections of rail bridges are conducted by the railroads and the results are confidential."

Yes, major public projects have risk, but if an oil train were to explode in a major metropolitan downtown, the loss of life could be catastrophic. These are not small fires. There are measures that can be taken to increase safety and oversight of freight rails but they have to be imposed at the federal level.

I realize this is off-topic so I'll leave it at that.

hammersklavier · #**200** Posted **Jun 2, 2015, 6:37 PM**

The reason Bakken unit trains are so prevalent is because there isn't significant pipeline capacity between the extraction region (eastern Montana/western North Dakota) and the refineries (mostly concentrated on the coasts).

That said, the railroads do have a history of undermaintaining their infrastructure, the rail circulation infrastructure in the city is over a century old and should be looked at again, Bakken tank cars themselves have been critiqued for not being safe enough, and in fact they have been known to spontaneously combust ... and CSX has also been using every scrap of space it can find in the city to store more of these Bakken cars. NS too, but they have the advantage of a big yard out by King of Prussia. CSX only has smaller yards scattered around the city, Greenwich being the biggest.