Calgary International Airport II

[holhm22]

Originally Posted by KrisYYC

During a break at work the other day I decided to check out the IFP information display on arrivals level as I noticed there was some new stuff added. They have some new animated renderings on the TV displays that are high quality and are in sort of first person view going from drop off, through check-in, security and finally to the gates. There is also a screen with a high quality animation of how the new people mover will work.

This might sound nitpicky, and overall based on the renderings I think the new terminal looks awesome, but I was a bit disappointed that the airport is going to keep using those tacky purple and yellow signs that are currently used. At least that's what shows in the rendering. I thought for sure they'd opt for something a little classier like this:



Or even something illuminated like this:

Strongly agreed. Those signs are the weirdest colour combination and belong in the early 2000's. We need something new like this:

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Am I the only one who finds it annoying when coming back from the US at YYC to see all the 10-15 year old photos of Calgary's downtown on the walls coming into customs? What an eyesore

I'd say enjoy 'em while you can. Yes, they are low-res, lame, retro photos of late 90's Calgary with tacky messages like "only 6.5 minutes to customs, and 23 minutes to downtown" but like much of the existing (soon to be old) YYC terminal they are reflective of a simpler time. Once IFP opens they will be a nostalgic piece of YYC history.

I can assure you the graphics when you come inbound into the IFP are much sexier and more modern.

[lubicon]

on the topic of the old concourses and the walk to Customs, what will become of all that space once the IFP opens? Any potential uses, or can it be repurposed?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by lubicon

on the topic of the old concourses and the walk to Customs, what will become of all that space once the IFP opens? Any potential uses, or can it be repurposed?

U.S. customs becomes a central security check point with 20+ lanes. After security there will be central post security retail and food court area. The area where Transborder preboard security and duty free retail will be for the compact transport system. Concourse C domestic preboard security was recently moved, the old location is where an expanded maple leaf lounge will be located.

Heard there is an "increasing" of noise complaints coming from east Airdrie, they're under the runway 17L approach at 7 to 8 miles. To me, those complaints hold no water, certainly compared to the majority of complaints which are coming from people less than 3 miles off the departure end of 17L.

I don't envy the YYC guy who has to deal with all this 🞵🞵🞵🞵.

[cyeg66]

Didnt you get the memo? People who make more and live in larger (particularly new) homes under approach paths have more right to their opinion. This won't go away. The operational handcuffs will come eventually.

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by Cage

U.S. customs becomes a central security check point with 20+ lanes. After security there will be central post security retail and food court area. The area where Transborder preboard security and duty free retail will be for the compact transport system. Concourse C domestic preboard security was recently moved, the old location is where an expanded maple leaf lounge will be located.

Thanks Cage, I didn't realize security was moving to a central location (not sure I am a fan of that but I suppose I will need to see how it all comes together.
In my initial question I was actually referring to the 3rd level of both Concourse A and C and the oh so long walk inside the main terminal from A over to Canadian Customs. You come off the jetway and go up a level and follow that all the way to customs before dropping back down. Those spaces will now be empty.

Originally Posted by cyeg66

Didnt you get the memo? People who make more and live in larger (particularly new) homes under approach paths have more right to their opinion. This won't go away. The operational handcuffs will come eventually.

No kidding. At this rate, the only config that seems to be complaint-free is land 35L, depart 35R.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by lubicon

(1) Thanks Cage,
(2) I didn't realize security was moving to a central location (not sure I am a fan of that but I suppose I will need to see how it all comes together).

(3) In my initial question I was actually referring to the 3rd level of both Concourse A and C and the oh so long walk inside the main terminal from A over to Canadian Customs. You come off the jetway and go up a level and follow that all the way to customs before dropping back down. Those spaces will now be empty.

(1) Your welcome.

(2) Central large security stations work great if you have Nexus/Known Traveller Number or priority security privileges. Large central located security also works during off peak because short term blips in demand can be more readily accommodated.

Instances where larges central security stations don't work include:
- passengers travelling short distances,
- passengers departing on nonhub airline when hub airline has a major departure bank,
- passengers who arrive late (at or near checkin cutoff).

Passengers and security staff benefit from the increased efficiency of conducting operations from a single location.

Personally I am infavour of central security because they tend to keep Nexus and other Known Traveller Lanes open for longer periods. Additionally the Nexus lanes at larger locations are dedicated to people with a valid known traveller number, where as current Nexus lanes at YYC get supplemented with general public.

3) The primary concept for the international inbound corridors is that concourse A gets rendered useless while concourse B gets complete renovated with the corridors removed as part of renos. That said I anticipate that YYC will be similar to YYZ, SFO, YVR, etc; after major redevelopment the airport is out of cash and must hlat redevelopment of old terminal building to pay for the new terminal building going over budget.

In YYC case, I suspect they will complete the central domestic checkpoint renos and then halt further development on the concourses. The central terminal renos are paid for through increased retail revenue from the new food court and retail hall post security.

[YYCguys]

The end of an era for Westjet. The contract with Thomas Cook has officially concluded and the last aircraft (W-JAN) has just this evening left YYC for MAN. I hope to see a partnership of some form continue between Westjet and Thomas Cook, perhaps a codeshare of some sort?

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

The end of an era for Westjet. The contract with Thomas Cook has officially concluded and the last aircraft (W-JAN) has just this evening left YYC for MAN. I hope to see a partnership of some form continue between Westjet and Thomas Cook, perhaps a codeshare of some sort?

Yeah, I talked to Kestrel thirty-eight foxtrot on departure, and I admit to thinking exactly the same thing regarding the end of an era. Great pilots, btw, always 100% professional and attentive. Brits kinda set the standard there. Anyways, we'll see what the future holds in store, if WS can place those 67's on the right routes. With a little slump in Alberta flying, I hope they can pull it off without talking too much of a hit.

[Johnny Aussie]

OK... so it's nothing too 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like a new route to Stockholm or a new flight to Buenos Aires... but hey... building blocks

MAY 1
YHZ – new 6 weekly service on rouge 319 increasing to 10 weekly for the peak summer
YCD – new daily flight on AC Express DH4
YXE – additional daily flight on AC Express DH4 for a total of 5 daily

MAY 3
YZF – new daily seasonal service on Westjet 73W/736 mix
YXT – new daily flight on Encore DH4

JUN 1
YXT – new daily service on AC Express CRJ

Other routes that have been added over the winter carrying on into the summer…
YYF - daily on Encore DH4
Sunwing extra flights - Sunwing will have 8 weekly departures this summer up from only 3 last summer. That's a huge increase. All flights will be non-stop as well. 6 of them will originate in YEG and 2 from YVR. 2nd highest number of weekly flights in Western Canada after YVR at 15.

I have a friend who, at the peak of his travels, flies YYC-YHZ multiple times monthly. Says he's excited about the new Rouge service but isn't interested in flying it till the redeye starts later this summer. Will stick with the WS redeye till then.

For what it's worth, today is the first day of the Banff 2 departure, slightly less of a diverging left turn southbound off the new runway for the purpose of noise abatement. Rundle/Marlborough are the concern and you can see it ain't done shite, even after an intersection departure by this WestJet a couple minutes ago which makes him start the turn later.

[yyc_engineer]

March #'s are posted. Overall UP (1.5%). International and Domestic both up (8% and 2.2% respectively), however Transborder is down 3.7%.

In light of the current situation this is pretty damn good (see YEG and YMM #'s for what we could be facing).

Flames get through this round and May's Transborder #'s could be back into the black! (not joking here, I have personally talked to multiple people who are going down to Anaheim - it does make a difference!)

Go Flames!

http://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/factsfigures/passengerstatistics.aspx

[Bigtime]

Thanks for posting that Acey, tried to watch FR24 a couple of times during the day to see the new turn but never caught one.

This new departure is still turns right way though right? I think the next step they are working on is getting the ok to make it no turns before 1000' AGL. That may be enough to help out more than 5 degrees difference.

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Thanks for posting that Acey, tried to watch FR24 a couple of times during the day to see the new turn but never caught one.

This new departure is still turns right way though right? I think the next step they are working on is getting the ok to make it no turns before 1000' AGL. That may be enough to help out more than 5 degrees difference.

Try not to rip your hair out watching this CTV story, calling today's changes "good news and bad news". People north of the airport in Skyview Ranch complaining now.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=604322&binId=1.1201914&playlistPageNum=1

I'm so tired of this 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. Realistically you could crank 35L departures to as far as a 290ish heading to allow 35R to go straight out or come left a bit... but is putting Panorama, Harvest and Coventry back into noise to save Skyview Ranch worth it? Frig no.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

March #'s are posted. Overall UP (1.5%). International and Domestic both up (8% and 2.2% respectively), however Transborder is down 3.7%.

In light of the current situation this is pretty damn good (see YEG and YMM #'s for what we could be facing).

Hopefully Feb was just a blip. Yeah just looked at YMM's numbers. I can almost hear the reverse thrusters whining at full throttle. YEG not as bad but still on a downward trend.

Amazing the difference a couple of years can make... YYZ, YUL and YVR just motoring along so far this year.

Edit: just looked at my NHL app.... Ouch :/

[YYCguys]

Drove up to the airport yesterday via Aero Drive and got a good look at all the development occurring on both sides of Airport Trail. There is a lot of hotel construction in full swing up there, including a Comfort Inn right beside Deerfoot Trail (what a random, and inappropriate, site for a hotel....not sure how anyone is expected to get any sleep with cars whizzing by right outside the bedroom windows!).

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Acey

For what it's worth, today is the first day of the Banff 2 departure, slightly less of a diverging left turn southbound off the new runway for the purpose of noise abatement. Rundle/Marlborough are the concern and you can see it ain't done shite, even after an intersection departure by this WestJet a couple minutes ago which makes him start the turn later.

Are we seeing an increase in intersection departures on 17L as well (if able)? Just noticed another one this morning.

There is going to come a point where all of these things being done is just all that can be done, and residents will simply have to adjust to having some noise from airplanes in their lives.

I've recently noticed a lot of WS are taking off from Z southbound and from S going northbound, but I've only been paying close attention to FR24 for the last week or so - can't say for sure that it's more than it used to be. -600 and -700 going to Regina, Saskatoon, Victoria/Abby/Vancouver aren't surprising, but 1494 was going to PHX with an -800 (though they were likely light as they shot up to 39,000 ft)

No idea for sure, but another possibility is that somebody is pushing for more intersection departures, as I believe they benefit the majority of complainants, as well as speedy McGee WS crews. Or maybe at the opening tower/ground just wanted to keep it simple and have everybody go from full length but now they're more flexible. Again, no idea.

Airport officials believe some flight-pattern changes coming into effect Thursday will help throttle down on noise that’s been lamented by residents for months.

Complaints began to pour into call lines at Calgary International in late June after a parallel runway opened and, as a result, the flight paths used by aircraft shifted.

In 2014, the airport said it received 1,500 complaints about the racket planes were causing.

But now the venue’s governing authority has received approval from Transport Canada to have aircraft departing from runway 17L reach 1,000 feet before deviating and even then the angle of the turns pilots make will be reduced from 15 degrees to 10.

The move will see the aircraft travel over less-populated areas while at lower altitudes.

“The aim for these changes is to keep aircraft over as much of the industrial areas as possible and as high as possible in order to decrease some the impact on surrounding communities,” airport spokesperson Jody Moseley said in a statement Wednesday.

John Arnold, president of the Whitehorn Community Association, was among those who have complained about the noise. He said, initially, the planes were so loud they would drown out basic conversation in his home.

Lately, however, he’s noticed some changes. The airport, he said, has cut back to use just one runway for late-arriving and early-departing planes. He’s also noticed a change in flight patterns that have cut down on the duration of noise created by each passing aircraft.

“The duration of the event gone down to 20 seconds because they’re off to the side,” he said.

Moseley said the airport would continue to evaluate the new flight-pattern procedures and discuss the matter further with affected communities.

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1355228...tern-changes-will-calm-noise-complaints/