Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[eemy]

Originally Posted by king10

I always wondered, why does the 500 level extend so far up beyond the flood lights on one side but not on the other? It's not symmetrical and they could have increased capacity by a couple thousand seats had the replicated the amount of rows on the other side. (of course now they don't need the extra capacity but when the dome was built bigger was better)

This image shows why fairly well.



The roof section that goes over the home plate side of the field rotates around past the left field into position. This prevents the stands from extending further back on that side of the field.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by king10

I always wondered, why does the 500 level extend so far up beyond the flood lights on one side but not on the other? It's not symmetrical and they could have increased capacity by a couple thousand seats had the replicated the amount of rows on the other side. (of course now they don't need the extra capacity but when the dome was built bigger was better)

That's to accommodate the rails on which the curved, southern section of roof rotates under the fixed north end section. That part rotates from home plate around the 3rd base side to settle in behind centre field. That's why they were able to put in more seats on the 1st base side.

I've sat in the sections above the lights on the 1st base side. Those seats are really high up.

EDIT = Jeremy beat me to it. So, what he said.

[king10]

Thanks guys, cheers!

[elly63]

Interesting video on the roofing material for the new Minnesota Vikings stadium that was mentioned in another thread about the new Calgary stadium. Rumours have the stadium being comfortable at all times of year so a transparent dome (not retractable) could be part of the design (speculation only)

Someone should be thinking about a solution using this product in conjunction with the Olympic stadium in Montreal.

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[Oilkountry]

That's interesting. However If/when a Stadium is built in Calgary it will be an open air stadium probably a mix somewhere in between IGF and THF. Nothing anywhere close to Mosaic and definitely nothing more. 200M in Calgary dollars wont get you to far as it will be built with mostly private funds. They will have a hard enough time getting a rink for the flames that will come close to rogers place.

I can see this being a solution in Montreal though

[king10]

EFTE roofing material can be used to replace the white paneling they have on the Rogers Centre roof as well. Being translucent will help with sunshine and growing grass.

Stadiums in northern climaets like Canada stand to benefit the most from this new technology

[Berklon]

That would be a nice reno for the Skydome - although not as necessary since it's a retractable roof. I wouldn't spend another dime on Olympic Stadium.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

That's interesting. However If/when a Stadium is built in Calgary it will be an open air stadium probably a mix somewhere in between IGF and THF. Nothing anywhere close to Mosaic and definitely nothing more. 200M in Calgary dollars wont get you to far as it will be built with mostly private funds.

You know something the rest of us don't? Everything you posted is contrary to the rumours but then again they are rumours.

And like combining the New Zealand stadium and Mosaic, maybe the next generation of stadiums will be enclosed clear domes with large vents to circulate fresh air saving money and maintenance on a retractable dome.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Berklon

I wouldn't spend another dime on Olympic Stadium.

The problem is they will soon have to. The biggest thing will be to ascertain a need (World Cup then downsize?) After that the idea will be to do it right like BC Place and not half assed and it could be great. Just because the past wasn't great doesn't mean the future has to be.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Berklon

That would be a nice reno for the Skydome - although not as necessary since it's a retractable roof.

Well, considering it shouldn't really open in the winter or a large chunk of the year it could be very necessary.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

That's interesting. However If/when a Stadium is built in Calgary it will be an open air stadium probably a mix somewhere in between IGF and THF. Nothing anywhere close to Mosaic and definitely nothing more. 200M in Calgary dollars wont get you to far as it will be built with mostly private funds. They will have a hard enough time getting a rink for the flames that will come close to rogers place.

I can see this being a solution in Montreal though

Do you have any idea what you're talking about or is it just pure garbage?

[elly63]

Riders CEO sees recruiting edge to new stadium
Construction 27 per cent complete
Kevin Mitchell, The Starphoenix April 10, 2015

Craig Reynolds says he was "absolutely blown away" when he wandered through Saskatchewan's most talked-about construction site last week.

Reynolds, the Saskatchewan Roughriders new president and CEO, toured the new Mosaic Stadium - which is 27 per cent complete - and says enough work's been done to put his imagination into play. He pictured with his mind how things would look; he envisioned fans, players and amenities.

"We feel quite strongly that this is going to be, for its size, the nicest outdoor, open-air stadium in North America," Reynolds told a Saskatoon audience at Thursday's North Saskatoon Business Association luncheon. "For its size, this is going to be an incredible facility." The Roughriders will play their first game at the stadium in the summer of 2017, but Reynolds said it will be "substantially complete" by the end of August in 2016. That will provide time to host test events, putting the facility through its paces before the primary tenants move in for good.

The Roughriders looked at other stadium projects that provided little time for adjustment and settled quickly on a preference.

"They allowed themselves no time to get settled; no time to test the facility," he said. "We were pretty firm we didn't want that to happen here."

The new 67,000-square-foot stadium, which has a footprint roughly double that of the current facility, will also include fan-friendly features like wider seats and five extra inches of leg room.

That space will also allow the Roughriders to merge all their operations into one facility. Reynolds, a University of Saskatchewan alumnus who takes over for the departed Jim Hopson, said team personnel are already talking about using the new Mosaic as bait to both attract and keep players and coaches.

"Average careers in the CFL are very, very short," Reynolds said. "They look to facilities as a differentiator and (ours) will be the finest in the CFL, bar none. It will be a real competitive advantage for us in recruiting and retaining the best coaches and the best players going forward. I was talking to (assistant general manager) Jeremy O'Day the other day and we're just starting now to see (renderings) of what the locker room's going to look like and what the training facility's going to look like and what the coaches' office is going to look like. We'll have a 100-person auditorium in there, we've got hydrotherapy rooms. Jeremy and I were talking about how we need to get those (renderings) in front of the players, because Jeremy's belief is it will make a difference right now when we're negotiating with folks, when we're trying to extend folks. Players are going to take a look at what facilities we're going to have in 2017 and they're going to say 'I want to be here.'

"It will be a huge differentiator for us."

[Migs]

Originally Posted by elly63

Riders CEO sees recruiting edge to new stadium
Construction 27 per cent complete
Kevin Mitchell, The Starphoenix April 10, 2015

Craig Reynolds says he was "absolutely blown away" when he wandered through Saskatchewan's most talked-about construction site last week.

Reynolds, the Saskatchewan Roughriders new president and CEO, toured the new Mosaic Stadium - which is 27 per cent complete - and says enough work's been done to put his imagination into play. He pictured with his mind how things would look; he envisioned fans, players and amenities.

"We feel quite strongly that this is going to be, for its size, the nicest outdoor, open-air stadium in North America," Reynolds told a Saskatoon audience at Thursday's North Saskatoon Business Association luncheon. "For its size, this is going to be an incredible facility." The Roughriders will play their first game at the stadium in the summer of 2017, but Reynolds said it will be "substantially complete" by the end of August in 2016. That will provide time to host test events, putting the facility through its paces before the primary tenants move in for good.

The Roughriders looked at other stadium projects that provided little time for adjustment and settled quickly on a preference.

"They allowed themselves no time to get settled; no time to test the facility," he said. "We were pretty firm we didn't want that to happen here."

The new 67,000-square-foot stadium, which has a footprint roughly double that of the current facility, will also include fan-friendly features like wider seats and five extra inches of leg room.

That space will also allow the Roughriders to merge all their operations into one facility. Reynolds, a University of Saskatchewan alumnus who takes over for the departed Jim Hopson, said team personnel are already talking about using the new Mosaic as bait to both attract and keep players and coaches.

"Average careers in the CFL are very, very short," Reynolds said. "They look to facilities as a differentiator and (ours) will be the finest in the CFL, bar none. It will be a real competitive advantage for us in recruiting and retaining the best coaches and the best players going forward. I was talking to (assistant general manager) Jeremy O'Day the other day and we're just starting now to see (renderings) of what the locker room's going to look like and what the training facility's going to look like and what the coaches' office is going to look like. We'll have a 100-person auditorium in there, we've got hydrotherapy rooms. Jeremy and I were talking about how we need to get those (renderings) in front of the players, because Jeremy's belief is it will make a difference right now when we're negotiating with folks, when we're trying to extend folks. Players are going to take a look at what facilities we're going to have in 2017 and they're going to say 'I want to be here.'

"It will be a huge differentiator for us."

Also there will be a General Admissions Lounge for 500 patrons during each event. The lounge will have a large balcony that will overlook Confederation Park.

[Migs]

Originally Posted by UrbanClimate

Here's the view from 11th Ave pedway, about 10 days ago.

Repost from Mosaic Stadium thread.

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by elly63

Well, considering it shouldn't really open in the winter or a large chunk of the year it could be very necessary.

Well the Jays are their primary tenant, and they play most of the games during spring/summer - so rain would be the only reason to have the roof closed.

There will be no other permanent sports tenant, so the events it holds during the winter don't really need the atmosphere that an open or see-through roof provides.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Berklon

There will be no other permanent sports tenant, so the events it holds during the winter don't really need the atmosphere that an open or see-through roof provides.

I would think some of the savings alone on light and heat would make a transparent roof in the winter an idea to explore. Also, I don't think we're yet quite sure what the winter plans are.

I think I read somewhere where they intend to rip up the turf (in November?) and reinstall before every new Jays' season but I don't know if that is etched in stone or not.

Maybe there is a possibility to keep the natural turf year round and cover with a Terraplas surface for other events. If they intend to keep turf in there year round it will be a costly venture, but that could be aided by a transparent roof.

[king10]

Originally Posted by Berklon

Well the Jays are their primary tenant, and they play most of the games during spring/summer - so rain would be the only reason to have the roof closed.

There will be no other permanent sports tenant, so the events it holds during the winter don't really need the atmosphere that an open or see-through roof provides.

First 45 days of the Jays season the roof is closed. Really kills the atmosphere. And if they ever make the playoffs a transparent roof in october would be a lot better than a closed roof.

Regardless the white paneling on the roof needs to be replaced soon as they are over 25 years old. Why not use the new ETFE product.

[blueandgoldguy]

67,000 square foot stadium!? Damn, those concourses at new Mosaic are gonna be like 5 feet wide. Everyone will need to take turns going to the bathroom and getting food and drink.

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by king10

First 45 days of the Jays season the roof is closed. Really kills the atmosphere. And if they ever make the playoffs a transparent roof in october would be a lot better than a closed roof.

Regardless the white paneling on the roof needs to be replaced soon as they are over 25 years old. Why not use the new ETFE product.

Hey, if they're going to replace the roofing material and it doesn't cost much more - then go for the ETFE. Just saying that in the meantime they can live with the current roof since there's not as much urgency because most of the Jays season is played in warmer weather. The initial 45 days isn't that big a deal and the playoffs are rare for most teams.

But if/when it can be done - it would be a nice addition. And as I've mentioned numerous times - the exterior should also be renovated to cover the cement with brick somehow.

[osmo]

Originally Posted by elly63

I would think some of the savings alone on light and heat would make a transparent roof in the winter an idea to explore. Also, I don't think we're yet quite sure what the winter plans are.

I think I read somewhere where they intend to rip up the turf (in November?) and reinstall before every new Jays' season but I don't know if that is etched in stone or not.

Maybe there is a possibility to keep the natural turf year round and cover with a Terraplas surface for other events. If they intend to keep turf in there year round it will be a costly venture, but that could be aided by a transparent roof.

Clear structures cost more to heat as they bleed out more heat then they let in. All the new condos in Toronto are slowly learning this the hard way.

You spend more on A/C as the sun makes the place a oven in the summer, while winter you more blow cash keeping it warm.