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kwoldtimer · #**121** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 2:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

They are proposing one retail unit about 75k square feet (including storage/warehouse space), another unit just under 40k... definitely would be able to fit a replacement Metro and another major retailer.

Metro and LCBO perhaps?

loga0082 · #**122** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 2:56 AM**

Metro and LCBO
Silvia Logan
April 12, 2015

They might put a Metro, but I am not too sure about the LCBO. I am not sure whether they are going to tear down the LCBO or not.

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Harley613 · #**123** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 3:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

If the podium is actually built as rendered, it will look nice from street level. It's kinda rare for Claridge to put that much thought into street level. CP has a functional podium (retail right up on the sidewalk), but it's not very pretty.

the podium on CP 1&2 is honestly almost as bad as the old brutalist building it replaced (RJ's Boom Boom Saloon! I don't think you guys remember that...)

Harley613 · #**124** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 3:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by loga0082

Metro and LCBO
Silvia Logan
April 12, 2015

They might put a Metro, but I am not too sure about the LCBO. I am not sure whether they are going to tear down the LCBO or not.

loga0082

They are not tearing down the LCBO and it will not be part of this development. Store #38 will remain, albeit with half the parking lot. I'll bet $5 that Metro will be included in the redevelopment.

kwoldtimer · #**125** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 3:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by loga0082

Metro and LCBO
Silvia Logan
April 12, 2015

They might put a Metro, but I am not too sure about the LCBO. I am not sure whether they are going to tear down the LCBO or not.

loga0082

If I recall correctly, that LCBO building was never intended to be permanent and it was expected that it would eventually be replaced by a tower. Whether that is about to happen, I couldn't say.

1overcosc · #**126** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 4:04 AM**

IIRC, the LCBO has about 20,000 square feet, it's one of the largest liquor stores in Canada.

Does the LCBO own that lot? I could see them moving into the new tower podium and selling off their existing lot for redevelopment as part of the province's push to generate capital cash from the LCBO.

kevinbottawa · #**127** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 12:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

They are proposing one retail unit about 75k square feet (including storage/warehouse space), another unit just under 40k... definitely would be able to fit a replacement Metro and another major retailer.

A Holt Renfrew would've been nice.

MoreTrains · #**128** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 1:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

They are proposing one retail unit about 75k square feet (including storage/warehouse space), another unit just under 40k... definitely would be able to fit a replacement Metro and another major retailer.

Metro and a Farm Boy. That would be sweet... or just a Farm Boy. 115k square feet of Farm Boy, that would be so sick! New Flagship location in the heart of the city.

teej1984 · #**129** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 1:51 PM**

Doesnt look like any of these buildings have balconies!

TheGoods · #**130** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 1:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

A Holt Renfrew would've been nice.

It seems that the size of 75k is too small for the new Holts concept, they are in the range of 120k +. I also doubt we will ever see a Holts back in Ottawa with Nordstrom being here even though Nordstrom is a step below Holts, not sure if the market can handle two stores but I’m not a retail expert.

Kevin, based on your short time at Nordstrom, do you think Ottawa can handle another high end retailer?

loga0082 · #**131** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 2:46 PM**

Maybe those condo towers should have balconies, in case people want to sit outside in the summertime. Especially, when it is hot and sunny. I am not too sure including restaurants and coffee shops will be included in the development plan because there are so many restaurants and coffee shops around. I doubt that a Holt & Renfrew will go there because there will be too much competition with Nordstrom and the new Simon's store at the Rideau Centre.

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Harley613 · #**132** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

If I recall correctly, that LCBO building was never intended to be permanent and it was expected that it would eventually be replaced by a tower. Whether that is about to happen, I couldn't say.

I've spoken directly to the LCBO district manager regarding this, the store will stay as it is.

Radster · #**133** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 4:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by MoreTrains

Metro and a Farm Boy. That would be sweet... or just a Farm Boy. 115k square feet of Farm Boy, that would be so sick! New Flagship location in the heart of the city.

I disagree with that. Farm Boy is ok when you don`t have a market nearby. Opening a FarmBoy here would just kill whatever there is left of the struggling fresh produce stalls at Byward Market.

Radster · #**134** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 4:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Harley613

I've spoken directly to the LCBO district manager regarding this, the store will stay as it is.

For now, but I am willing to bet than it will stay as is for long.

Boxster · #**135** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 4:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Harley613

the podium on CP 1&2 is honestly almost as bad as the old brutalist building it replaced (RJ's Boom Boom Saloon! I don't think you guys remember that...)

The Hayloft was a neat place with free peanuts in a shell.

MoreTrains · #**136** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 6:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Radster

I disagree with that. Farm Boy is ok when you don`t have a market nearby. Opening a FarmBoy here would just kill whatever there is left of the struggling fresh produce stalls at Byward Market.

I dont think so. I think the only thing killing the produce stalls in the Market is rent increases. If they can survive to major food stores within walking distance, then they can survive a Farm Boy. Plus, what do you do in the winter time for fresh produce? Those produce stalls are parking spots. It would add a good variety and give better access to produce and fresh made foods, not boxed stuffs.

m3i6 · #**137** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 8:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by teej1984

Doesnt look like any of these buildings have balconies!

This will be beneficial in 7 - 8 years when the housing market bottoms out at 40% < current value (03/15).

Decreases the number of jumpers.

kevinbottawa · #**138** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 11:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by TheGoods

It seems that the size of 75k is too small for the new Holts concept, they are in the range of 120k +. I also doubt we will ever see a Holts back in Ottawa with Nordstrom being here even though Nordstrom is a step below Holts, not sure if the market can handle two stores but I’m not a retail expert.

Kevin, based on your short time at Nordstrom, do you think Ottawa can handle another high end retailer?

I was thinking the full 115,000 sq ft for a Holt Renfrew.

I'm no retail expert, but with a Nordstrom, Simons, Harry Rosen, and a renovated and more upper scale Hudson's Bay, that's a lot. I was at Nordstrom during the slowest time on the retail calendar so I'm not sure. People were definitely excited. For every "this place is too expensive" we received an "Ottawa really needs this". There are some labels that Nordstrom doesn't carry yet so there could be room for another retailer to come in. People were asking for Armani and Versace which we didn't carry yet. There are definitely some people in Ottawa looking for something even higher end than what Nordstrom is carrying right now, but Nordstrom could go even higher end if they wanted to in the snap of a finger so I'm not sure other retailers would want to compete with them.

ServiceGuy · #**139** Posted **Apr 13, 2015, 11:56 PM**

Good take on the retail market Kevin. Appreciate you sharing that.

loga0082 · #**140** Posted **Apr 14, 2015, 12:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

I was thinking the full 115,000 sq ft for a Holt Renfrew.

I'm no retail expert, but with a Nordstrom, Simons, Harry Rosen, and a renovated and more upper scale Hudson's Bay, that's a lot. I was at Nordstrom during the slowest time on the retail calendar so I'm not sure. People were definitely excited. For every "this place is too expensive" we received an "Ottawa really needs this". There are some labels that Nordstrom doesn't carry yet so there could be room for another retailer to come in. People were asking for Armani and Versace which we didn't carry yet. There are definitely some people in Ottawa looking for something even higher end than what Nordstrom is carrying right now, but Nordstrom could go even higher end if they wanted to in the snap of a finger so I'm not sure other retailers would want to compete with them.

They are also going to put a Zara's and a Massimo Dutti in the expansion of the Rideau Centre. The H&M store is going at the Rideau Centre, but this store is mostly for teens. I am sure that they will come with some shops along Rideau and Cumberland. We just have to wait and see. I do not even know when they will start construction.
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