PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[br323206]

Originally Posted by Outta here

Sitka, Alaska . 2,870 sq. mi. and a population of 10,323 ..... Now THAT's stagnant .
And just for shits & giggles , if Houston had the same land mass as Philly ( population distributed evenly ) ,
Houston's population would be around 492,000 ..... Or if you prefer , if Philly had Houston's land area , say adding Montgomery
County , it's population would be something like 2,375,000 ........ minus the Alamo .

Someone City Data took the time to look at how city rankings would change if we normalized city size to about 200 square miles. Here is what they found:


1. New York, NY: 5,859,411 #1
2. Los Angeles, CA: 2,955,825 #2
3. Chicago, IL: 2,189,593 #3
4. Philadelphia, PA: 1,961,742 #5
5. Washington, DC: 1,697,692 #23
6. Boston, MA: 1,570,632 #24
7. San Jose, CA: 1,388,537 #10
8. Las Vegas, NV: 1,184,445 #30
9. Baltimore, MD: 1,119,791 #26
10. Denver, CO: 1,117,377 #22
11. Houston, TX: 1,099,111 #4
12. San Francisco, CA: 1,090,727 #14
13. Minneapolis, MN: 1,045,344 #46
14. San Diego, CA: 1,028,040 #8
15. Portland, OR: 966,613 #29
16. Phoenix, AZ: 932,502 #6
17. Miami, FL: 929,332 #44
18. Dallas, TX: 910,359 #9
19. San Antonio, TX: 836,723 #7
20. Seattle, WA: 835,829 #21
21. Milwaukee: 819,470 #31
22. Columbus, OH: 795,666 #15
23. Riverside, CA: 795,229 #59
24. Pittsburgh, PA: 777,608 #62
25. Orlando, FL: 736,793 #77
26. Sacramento, CA: 724,687 #35
27. Atlanta, GA: 719,527 #40
28. Cleveland, OH: 719,218 #48
29. Indianapolis, IN: 699,998 #12
30. Detroit, MI: 698,366 #18
31. Cincinnati, OH: 685,958 #65
32. New Orleans, LA: 667,358 #51
33. St. Louis, MO: 661,948 #58
34. Austin, TX: 636,795 #11
35. Providence, RI: 632,315 #134
36. Fresno, CA: 605,187 #34
37. Albuquerque, NM: 582,264 #32
38. Tucson, AZ: 575,664 #33
39. Rochester, NY: 567,753 #103
40. Charlotte, NC: 567,682 #16
41. Buffalo, NY: 567,144 #73
42. Louisville, KY: 545,721 #28
43. Tampa, FL: 541,699 #53
44. Kansas City, MO: 540,511 #37
45. Hartford, CT: 521,796 #212
46. Bakersfield, CA: 512,014 #52
47. Oklahoma City, OK: 500,966 #27
48. Omaha, NE: 498,906 #42
49. Richmond, VA: 492,856 #99
50. Salt Lake City, UT: 487,968 #124

Rank Change, Best to Worst
Hartford, CT: +167
Providence, RI: +99
Salt Lake City, UT: +74
Rochester, NY: +64
Orlando, FL: +52
Richmond, VA: +50
Pittsburgh, PA: +38
Riverside, CA: +36
Cincinnati, OH: +34
Minneapolis, MN: +33
Buffalo, NY: +32
Miami, FL: +27
St. Louis, MO: +25
Las Vegas, NV: +22
Cleveland, OH: +20
New Orleans, LA: +19
Boston, MA: +18
Washington, DC: +18
Baltimore, MD: +17
Portland, OR: +14
Atlanta, GA: +13
Denver, CO: +12
Milwaukee, WI: +10
Tampa, FL: +10
Sacramento, CA: +9
Bakersfield, CA: +6
San Jose, CA: +3
San Francisco, CA: +2
Philadelphia, PA: +1
Seattle, WA: +1
Chicago, IL: 0
Los Angeles, CA: 0
New York, NY: 0
Fresno, CA: -2
Albuquerque, NM: -5
Tucson, AZ: -5
Omaha, NE: -6
San Diego, CA: -6
Columbus, OH: -7
Houston, TX: -7
Kansas City, MO: -7
Dallas, TX: -9
Phoenix, AX: -10
Detroit, MI: -12
San Antonio, TX: -12
Louisville, KY: -14
Indianapolis, IN: -17
Oklahoma City, OK: -20
Austin, TX: -23
Charlotte, NC: -24


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...tion-rank-if-all-same.html#ixzz3WuvD0cwP

[MikeNigh]

Cool!!

[McBane]

I like that list much better!

And to clarify, by no means was I suggesting that Philly's growth isn't a good thing nor was I suggesting that those cities that are approaching Philly's population are better. In fact, quite the opposite. I think we all know where Philly stands in comparison to Houston, Phoenix, and San Antonio. At least in terms of urbanity, culture, activities, etc.

[mmikeyphilly]

Good Morning, Ladies & Gentlemen: (taken seriously...LOL!)
Below is another E-mail I got, and thought I would throw out there for a heated discussion!
All, I wanna know is, Who makes up these lists anyway?
Philly's rank is #6. Vegas beats out Philly? New York is only #10?
and Detroit is even on the list, seriously??

http://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/b...attle-chicago-and-las-vegas-top-our-list

Have fun! Let the fights begin! We're ready to rumbbbbble.....

[Outta here]

Originally Posted by br323206

Someone City Data took the time to look at how city rankings would change if we normalized city size to about 200 square miles. Here is what they found:

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...tion-rank-if-all-same.html#ixzz3WuvD0cwP

Great find ..... You win !

[RumbleFish]

Originally Posted by br323206

Someone City Data took the time to look at how city rankings would change if we normalized city size to about 200 square miles. Here is what they found:


1. New York, NY: 5,859,411 #1
2. Los Angeles, CA: 2,955,825 #2
3. Chicago, IL: 2,189,593 #3
4. Philadelphia, PA: 1,961,742 #5
5. Washington, DC: 1,697,692 #23
6. Boston, MA: 1,570,632 #24
7. San Jose, CA: 1,388,537 #10
8. Las Vegas, NV: 1,184,445 #30
9. Baltimore, MD: 1,119,791 #26
10. Denver, CO: 1,117,377 #22
11. Houston, TX: 1,099,111 #4
12. San Francisco, CA: 1,090,727 #14

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...tion-rank-if-all-same.html#ixzz3WuvD0cwP

This list must be somewhat flawed because San Francisco's city limits is 46 sq miles and has 847,000 + people and the Bay area is has to be one of the densest metros in the country as well.

[br323206]

Originally Posted by RumbleFish

This list must be somewhat flawed because San Francisco's city limits is 46 sq miles and has 847,000 + people and the Bay area is has to be one of the densest metros in the country as well.

Yes, if you look at the methodology he basically put a point at the CBD and drew an 8 miles radius circle. That's about 200 square miles. Of course with San Fran that means much of it is in the water. But it's pretty good for a quick and dirty comparison.

[Outta here]

Originally Posted by br323206

Yes, if you look at the methodology he basically put a point at the CBD and drew an 8 miles radius circle. That's about 200 square miles. Of course with San Fran that means much of it is in the water. But it's pretty good for a quick and dirty comparison.

I think I am making a comparison mistake . If you look at the land area of any city and then want to imagine all cities
mentioned at the same size , maybe what I am fooled by is , thinking the added area will be as dense as the original
city area . If that were the case , Philly @ 599 s.m. would contain some 6.97 million people .... or Hartford Connecticut
would be home to over 1.47 million .
When I tried to figure out Philly's factitious population , I used Montgomery County as an addition because it is next to
Philly and roughly the same size as Houston ( give or take some miles ) . That fallacy put the estimate at roughly 2.35
million . So , if you converted existing water area into surrounding land area , what would S.F.s population be then ?
What would DC's population be if a surrounding area up to 200 s.ms was incorporated into the cities population ?

The surrounding area of any aforementioned city might be a better barometer , you know , like any cities immediate
metro area out to a total of the 200 mile diagram mentioned .

[Parkway]

So this could be big, http://m.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/bl...-parking-garage-near.html?ana=twt&r=full

Brandywine buys the parking garage at 6th and Market.

[Nightman]

Originally Posted by Parkway

So this could be big, http://m.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/bl...-parking-garage-near.html?ana=twt&r=full

Brandywine buys the parking garage at 6th and Market.

Definitely up to something. Brandywine is not in the parking garage biz. Plus the Independence Beer Garden and renovated DOW Chemical building is next door.

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by Parkway

So this could be big, http://m.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/bl...-parking-garage-near.html?ana=twt&r=full

Brandywine buys the parking garage at 6th and Market.

Well ... !

And these are the guys putting up both 1919 Market and the FMC Tower. I wonder what plans they have in the works for that site?

[iheartphilly]

Originally Posted by Nightman

Definitely up to something. Brandywine is not in the parking garage biz. Plus the Independence Beer Garden and renovated DOW Chemical building is next door.

Inaccurate statement. See link:

http://www.brandywinerealty.com/spotlight-the-lift.aspx

[Philly Fan]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

Well ... !

And these are the guys putting up both 1919 Market and the FMC Tower. I wonder what plans they have in the works for that site?

Hopefully something with scale and design aspirations more comparable to the latter than to the former.

[RumbleFish]

Originally Posted by br323206

Yes, if you look at the methodology he basically put a point at the CBD and drew an 8 miles radius circle. That's about 200 square miles. Of course with San Fran that means much of it is in the water. But it's pretty good for a quick and dirty comparison.

Yeah I understand, but I think the ranking of cities would be much different if you kept other factors in consideration. Miami for example has water and the Everglades close to its city limits, but clearly is one of the denser metros like San Francisco. Obviously I do not know the answer, but I think both of those cities could be ahead of Philadelphia.

[Cro Burnham]

The best method would probably be to add up the population in the densest 200 sq miles of contiguous census tracts.

That would eliminate issues with water or oddly shaped metros due to other geographic features.

[jsbrook]

Originally Posted by Parkway

So this could be big, http://m.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/bl...-parking-garage-near.html?ana=twt&r=full

Brandywine buys the parking garage at 6th and Market.

Important location too. Something good here, in conjunction with the Gallery and East Market, will really help shore up Market Street from 6th through 13th.

[jsbrook]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

Inaccurate statement. See link:

http://www.brandywinerealty.com/spotlight-the-lift.aspx

Well, that would not be great. NOT

[summersm343]

Brandwine and Liberty buying up land in Center City?

Sounds like they're anticipating a commercial real estate boom.

[UPenn18]

Originally Posted by Outta here

Just catching up on some old home work . How about something like the twin Imperial Towers in Mumbai India . Both are 690' to the roof and 833' to the top of the spire . I'll bet there is someone posting on here that could draw up a model to show what that would look like ....... hint , hint .

Hint hint?? Oh boy.

And Liberty and Branywine anticipating a commercial real estate boom, as if we're not already!

[jsbrook]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Brandwine and Liberty buying up land in Center City?

Sounds like they're anticipating a commercial real estate boom.

Chemours. I keep saying...Well here is one more location that would be good for them to occupy in a brand new skyscraper.