LOS ANGELES | Central City Project Rundown 5.0 - Page 437

brudy · #**8721** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by DTLAdenizen

Precisely. Skid Row isn't going away in our lifetimes, and 5th-7th are just too sketchy for normal folk to walk down.

That's true but calling the AD no-mans land just isn't facing reality and the quantity of development going on. And when they extend the subway, there will be no functional difference. From my house I can walk to northern end of the AD as fast I can walk to the Ace. DTLA is more than south park. You aren't one to be shortsighted and you should see the value in developing that area to its potential.

DistrictDirt · #**8722** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by brudy

There's a TON of activity north of 6th - all kinds of things are getting built and converted. Maybe I'm the only one but we go over there all the time, walking mostly, but sometimes Lyft, depending on where we're going. It's contiguous with dtla by walking up 2nd or even 3rd at the end and we often stop in Little Tokyo either to or from the AD. If it weren't for Skid Row, you could walk there from the core down 5th or 6th in 15-20 minutes which is nothing in urban terms, it's a little further since you have to go around right now. Thinking about the AD as far flung belies how close it really is. It just feels far right now.

I agree- despite some AD residents' NIMBYish perspectives, the neighborhood is hardly a far-flung suburb. From here at 8th and Los Angeles it takes me around 20 minutes to walk to Traction Ave.

caligrad · #**8723** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 7:55 PM**

For those who say "its not a big deal, its no where near the core anyway, why get all worked up for".....Eh.......The uniformity of downtown includes everything within the downtown loop. What you feel may be far from the core is actually not far at all.. Driving from the 110 to the river on the other side takes less than 10 minutes through the streets, depending on traffic, and walking 20-30, which isn't far fetched and lots not forget biking and future rail.

It may be a distance from the central core and there are lots of empty lots in the core currently......BUT.... Metro has expressed very high interests in expanding rail adjacent to the river...The city is expressing heavy plans to revitalizing the river...... We are getting a new 6th street viaduct which on its own will become a landmark with its design.....

THE GRAND IDEA is that the next development boom is going to happen on the east side of downtown. Why???? Its currently industrial, not much opposition from nimbys in the south east end, the land over there compared to the core is relatively cheaper and has lots of potential for a near future..... Developers know this....The city obviously knows this with their interest in the river, transit and beautification of the area.

The "just build whatever because its better than what's there now and worry about it later" attitude has plagued the city long enough. I figured most of you on this forum who have expressed the same sentiment before would feel the same...and not back track on that.

GET IT DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF WAITING TO DEAL WITH IT LATER.

LosAngelesSportsFan · #**8724** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 8:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by caligrad

For those who say "its not a big deal, its no where near the core anyway, why get all worked up for".....Eh.......The uniformity of downtown includes everything within the downtown loop. What you feel may be far from the core is actually not far at all.. Driving from the 110 to the river on the other side takes less than 10 minutes through the streets, depending on traffic, and walking 20-30, which isn't far fetched and lots not forget biking and future rail.

It may be a distance from the central core and there are lots of empty lots in the core currently......BUT.... Metro has expressed very high interests in expanding rail adjacent to the river...The city is expressing heavy plans to revitalizing the river...... We are getting a new 6th street viaduct which on its own will become a landmark with its design.....

THE GRAND IDEA is that the next development boom is going to happen on the east side of downtown. Why???? Its currently industrial, not much opposition from nimbys in the south east end, the land over there compared to the core is relatively cheaper and has lots of potential for a near future..... Developers know this....The city obviously knows this with their interest in the river, transit and beautification of the area.

The "just build whatever because its better than what's there now and worry about it later" attitude has plagued the city long enough. I figured most of you on this forum who have expressed the same sentiment before would feel the same...and not back track on that.

GET IT DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF WAITING TO DEAL WITH IT LATER.

yup. In less than 20 years, Downtown will be river to McArthur Park, USC to Chinatown

alki · #**8725** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Docjalby

The vacancy right now in DTLA is 19.2%. Just happen to have that book sitting in front of me when I read this.

Yeah, its remained pretty much stuck at that level for the past 20 years.

ConstructDTLA · #**8726** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 9:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

yup. In less than 20 years, Downtown will be river to McArthur Park, USC to Chinatown

Yes in an ideal world this is true.

Chinatown can be connected once the 101 cap is completed...

Westlake can come into it once the 110 is capped..

But AD will never have more than a couple streets connecting it (see; permanent skid row), which in my opinion means its disconnected, and not part of the urban core.

bunkerhill23 · #**8727** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 9:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by DTLAdenizen

Precisely. Skid Row isn't going away in our lifetimes, and 5th-7th are just too sketchy for normal folk to walk down.

I frequently walk from Bunker Hill to the Arts District. And the idea that people won't get there from South Park or Historic Core is ludicrous. Also when Frank Gehry's development is finished across from Disney, all of those new tourists and residents will have a nice walk to the AD.

ConstructDTLA · #**8728** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by bunkerhill23

I frequently walk from Bunker Hill to the Arts District. And the idea that people won't get there from South Park or Historic Core is ludicrous. Also when Frank Gehry's development is finished across from Disney, all of those new tourists and residents will have a nice walk to the AD.

Yes, down 2nd street - which is the most connected street to the AD, which is sad.

Lets bring the conversation back to a project thats no less than 100x more important:

I could hear work happening on the upper floors.

May Company / Broadway Trade Center by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

May Company / Broadway Trade Center by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

And some more;

9th & Olive Onni Level LA from Broadway by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

Olympic & Broadway Geoff Palmer's 'Palace' by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

Olympic & Broadway Geoff Palmer's 'Palace' by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

And even more;

8th & Olive / Carmel Partners 33-Story / Level LA by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

8th & Olive / Carmel Partners 33-Story by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

8th & Olive Commercial Exchange by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

8th & Grand / Carmel Partners G8 by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

Mojeda101 · #**8729** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 9:42 PM**

Crossing my fingers for a full clean up with historic blade signs.

losangelesnative · #**8730** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 10:06 PM**

City target has signed on to be a tenant of the USC VILLAGE project

bunkerhill23 · #**8731** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 10:08 PM**

"Lets bring the conversation back to a project thats no less than 100x more important:

I could hear work happening on the upper floors."

The behemoth of Broadway.

Thanks for the pics, DTLAdenizen.

sopas ej · #**8732** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 10:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by bunkerhill23

I frequently walk from Bunker Hill to the Arts District. And the idea that people won't get there from South Park or Historic Core is ludicrous.

I am in full agreement with you. I don't live downtown but my partner and I go there often via Metro Rail from South Pas. We will often walk from the Historic Core to Little Tokyo, and from there into the Arts District, or in reverse order, if we decide to take the Gold Line to the Arts District, and say, go to zazen at the Zenshuji temple on Hewitt, and then have lunch/hang out in Little Tokyo, and then go for cocktails in the Historic Core--all by walking.

LosAngelesSportsFan · #**8733** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 10:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by bunkerhill23

"Lets bring the conversation back to a project thats no less than 100x more important:

I could hear work happening on the upper floors."

The behemoth of Broadway.

Thanks for the pics, DTLAdenizen.

Lights have been on at nights the last few nights so looks like they are going at full speed ahead. hope to hear some announcements regarding tenants and retail soon!

blackcat23 · #**8734** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 10:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by losangelesnative

City target has signed on to be a tenant of the USC VILLAGE project

http://brighamyen.com/2015/03/25/city-target-coming-to-downtown-la-adjacent-usc-village-project/

alki · #**8735** Posted **Mar 25, 2015, 10:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by DTLAdenizen

Yes, down 2nd street - which is the most connected street to the AD, which is sad.

Lets bring the conversation back to a project thats no less than 100x more important:

I could hear work happening on the upper floors.

May Company / Broadway Trade Center by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr

Yes, I agree..........very important. I hope they do right by that building.

BTW nice photos.

Eightball · #**8736** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 1:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by bunkerhill23

thanks for the pics, dtladenizen.

+1

Commercial Exchange continues to improve

Illithid Dude · #**8737** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 2:48 AM**

My friend at USC tells me that In-N-Out is going to open at USC Village, which would make it the first "urban" In-N-Out and the closest In-N-Out to downtown.

citywatch · #**8738** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 3:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by brudy

So what? Who cares what's there right now? Just because something new is coming doesn't mean that the city shouldn't be looking further than the next two years. Just because it's turning over doesn't mean we're maximizing what should be done with the land. I feel like a broken record but we'll be stuck with what's being built now for decades.

but, brudy, you have to remember that context is important. Context which includes things like lots of homeless ppl all over dt, the jails in the hood that are constantly releasing convicts back into the area, an economy that....as mentioned in a recent post....hasn't been able to fill up office space in over 20 yrs, your mentioning not long ago the residents who don't stick around the hood for more than a yr cuz they become impatient with problems in dt, overly quiet sidewalks in too many sections of the hood, swapmeets & slumlords, the still large numbers of sites throughout dt that greatly need to be either cleaned up or filled in.

when I notice the way various ppl judge & prioritize things, I think of something like this, in which the woman is a metaphor for dtla, & her red dress might be a metaphor for perhaps suncoast devlprs based in irvine or even TCA or GH palmer.

but quite seriously, never forget the story of the AMP lofts proj....planned for a piece of land in the arts dist. repeat: the arts district. NOT south pk or encino or the OC, or glendale, but the arts district in dtla.

Due to community opposition, that proj's original design....which I thought was perfectly fine....was tossed out & the owner was forced to go back to the drawing board. His 2nd architecture team came up with what I consider a much weaker design, all in the name of pleasing the local community....presumably made up of mostly hipsters, iconoclasts or supposedly very permissive, artsy type of residents. Yet even they came down with a case of NIMBYitis & made a stink about AMP's first set of plans.

the moral of the story....

Wally West · #**8739** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 3:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

My friend at USC tells me that In-N-Out is going to open at USC Village, which would make it the first "urban" In-N-Out and the closest In-N-Out to downtown.

That's great news if In-N-Out is coming to the USC Village. It would also make it the most crowded In-N-Out since there's none in that part of LA. The closest location may be in Hollywood, Culver City, or in Glendale.

And didn't In-N-Out announce they wouldn't open one in DTLA due to it requiring a drive thru?

According to Brigham's article "In-N-Out won’t consider Downtown LA unless it can open a stand-alone restaurant on a sprawly acre of land that provides up to 45 surface parking spots, and get this, a drive-thru lane with capacity for up to 15 cars". Is USC Village going to provide 45 surface parking spots for In-N-Out because according to the current renderings, that doesn't seem to be the case.

BTW Brigham's article already points out that there are currently two urban In-N-Out restaurants so the USC location wouldn't be the first.

citywatch · #**8740** Posted **Mar 26, 2015, 3:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by DTLAdenizen

Yes, down 2nd street - which is the most connected street to the AD, which is sad.

Lets bring the conversation back to a project thats no less than 100x more important:

TG you're the regular visual chronicler of all the changes going on in dtla! Other forumers also post helpful pics....which I also greatly appreciate....but your posts often contain the most thorough assemblage of update pics. they also sort of confirm to me the phenomenon of constantly moving goal lines. iow, as each improvement in dt is implemented, a whole new set of additional improvements suddenly become more noticeable. for instance, now that all the huge parking lots across from the ace hotel have been closed down & replaced with an active construction site, the parking lot south of the ace stands out even more than in the past, or the small tacky bldg south of olympic blvd, west of the 1st phase of the GH palmer apt proj is more conspicuous.