LOS ANGELES | Central City Project Rundown 5.0

[retina]

Originally Posted by caldor120la

Foreman and Clark building first mentioned 165 residential unit conversion will this mean a hotel or apartments? Whatever, wonderful addition.

Sounds like residences, not sure condo vs. apartments. From Brigham: http://brighamyen.com/2014/06/04/beginni...town-la-starts-165-new-lofts/#more-12634

I would love to see a ban on those horrible roll-down metal gates. It gives an impression that DTLA is "closed for business." Further perpetuating the prejuidical stereotypes from long-time Angelenos. Not only are the older jewelry places guilty but even new businesses with beautiful interiors, specifically Austere on 9th/Hill. What are they afraid off?

[alki]

Originally Posted by ChelseaFC

It's kitty corner to the old Subway Terminal Building, now the Metro 417 Apartments.

Thanks.

So its not this bldg.:

[ChelseaFC]

Originally Posted by alki

Thanks.

So its not this bldg.:

Correct. In that rendering, this 4th/Hill tower would be straight down from where you see City Hall peeking out.

[alki]

Originally Posted by 202_Cyclist

This is not true. In DC, several new buildings have been developed without any parking on-site. 35% of households in Washington don't have a car. Our building charges $300-$400 per month for parking and we sold our car as a result of this and have been car-free for a year and a half.

If you design cities around vehicles, especially with ridiculous minimum parking requirements, yes, then more people are going to have cars. This is a choice that planners make.

It is true. There has been very little change in households without cars since 2000. DC has seen a 1% increase. With some cities there has been no change. Other cities have seen a decrease. Overall, there has been a .35% increase in households without cars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_most_households_without_a_car

Many of those households without cars are because of economic reasons and are very dependent on mass transit. I applaud you for giving up your car but I don't think that's the norm yet.

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by retina

Sounds like residences, not sure condo vs. apartments. From Brigham: http://brighamyen.com/2014/06/04/beginni...town-la-starts-165-new-lofts/#more-12634

I would love to see a ban on those horrible roll-down metal gates. It gives an impression that DTLA is "closed for business." Further perpetuating the prejuidical stereotypes from long-time Angelenos. Not only are the older jewelry places guilty but even new businesses with beautiful interiors, specifically Austere on 9th/Hill. What are they afraid off?

you're setting yourself up for a bit of a debate with some forumers lol.

I agree. I hate driving down Broadway and other streets and seeing those thick metal gates in from of every store front.

But. Even though we sometimes get blindsided by Downtowns progress and the continuous progress that is happening. Majority of everything east of Broadway or what I like to call the "the Walking Dead zone" with the homeless population, minus the arts district, is still reminiscent of how it was in the 90s, everything on the east side has relatively stayed the same.

When Business hours close and the office towers empty and a lot of downtown leaves, The walking dead finds courage to make their way towards south park and the financial district to rummage through trash and etc. So businesses are still skittish about that and will have their seemingly bullet proof metal gates to protect their windows/businesses.

and those just add to the homeless that are brave enough to camp out west of Broadway already.

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by blackcat23

http://urbanize.la/post/shiny-new-renderings-4th-and-hill

More renderings and information on the 4th/Hill Tower. 33 stories/405 feet tall. 10 floors of parking, 2 underground and 2 above ground, providing one parking space per residential unit.

Most of the podium is wrapped with apartments. Of the 428 apartments, 22 will be very low income housing and 86 will be "workforce" housing.

The thing I like most about this project is blackcats last line... " Most of the podium is wrapped with apartments"

The People of LA will NOT give up their cars overnight, sorry but i'm not, especially with transit being a work in progress and missing a lot of reaches in the county. BUT if a parking podium is a must need for most developers than fine but have it done this way. Each unit gets ONE SPACE, and wrap the podium with apartments, smaller units for low income and college kids. If this was done on all podiums, the backlash wouldn't be as bad.

[alki]

Originally Posted by caligrad

you're setting yourself up for a bit of a debate with some forumers lol.

I agree. I hate driving down Broadway and other streets and seeing those thick metal gates in from of every store front.

But. Even though we sometimes get blindsided by Downtowns progress and the continuous progress that is happening. Majority of everything east of Broadway or what I like to call the "the Walking Dead zone" with the homeless population, minus the arts district, is still reminiscent of how it was in the 90s, everything on the east side has relatively stayed the same.

When Business hours close and the office towers empty and a lot of downtown leaves, The walking dead finds courage to make their way towards south park and the financial district to rummage through trash and etc. So businesses are still skittish about that and will have their seemingly bullet proof metal gates to protect their windows/businesses.

and those just add to the homeless that are brave enough to camp out west of Broadway already.

I thought Spring St had really cleaned up. Its still bad esp at nite?

Originally Posted by caligrad

The thing I like most about this project is blackcats last line... " Most of the podium is wrapped with apartments"

The People of LA will NOT give up their cars overnight, sorry but i'm not, especially with transit being a work in progress and missing a lot of reaches in the county. BUT if a parking podium is a must need for most developers than fine but have it done this way. Each unit gets ONE SPACE, and wrap the podium with apartments, smaller units for low income and college kids. If this was done on all podiums, the backlash wouldn't be as bad.

Yeah.......if they can't put the parking underground, wrapping the parking with apts is the way to go.

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by alki

I thought Spring St had really cleaned up. Its still bad esp at nite?



Yeah.......if they can't put the parking underground, wrapping the parking with apts is the way to go.

Eh.... yeah you're right. Spring street for me is still on the walking dead territory but its cleaning up a lot. what Broadway used to be. the new border between east and west but at night its still borderline scary.

[retina]

Originally Posted by caligrad

you're setting yourself up for a bit of a debate with some forumers lol.

I agree. I hate driving down Broadway and other streets and seeing those thick metal gates in from of every store front.

But. Even though we sometimes get blindsided by Downtowns progress and the continuous progress that is happening. Majority of everything east of Broadway or what I like to call the "the Walking Dead zone" with the homeless population, minus the arts district, is still reminiscent of how it was in the 90s, everything on the east side has relatively stayed the same.

When Business hours close and the office towers empty and a lot of downtown leaves, The walking dead finds courage to make their way towards south park and the financial district to rummage through trash and etc. So businesses are still skittish about that and will have their seemingly bullet proof metal gates to protect their windows/businesses.

and those just add to the homeless that are brave enough to camp out west of Broadway already.

I do agree the "walking dead" are not good for business but there is enough pedestrian foot traffic in most areas to counter their numbers. It just seems random some glass remains uncovered while others hide their storefronts. It is really a shame. I don't expect these "walking dead" to disappear but they are mostly harmless. Roaming around, jaywalking, dumpster diving, and randomly screaming; they aren't violent in my opinion. I doubt they have the energy to hurl items or themselves at tempered glass. I expect heavy foot traffic along 8th/9th/Olympic with all these residences coming online.

[brudy]

Originally Posted by retina

I do agree the "walking dead" are not good for business but there is enough pedestrian foot traffic in most areas to counter their numbers. It just seems random some glass remains uncovered while others hide their storefronts. It is really a shame. I don't expect these "walking dead" to disappear but they are mostly harmless. Roaming around, jaywalking, dumpster diving, and randomly screaming; they aren't violent in my opinion. I doubt they have the energy to hurl items or themselves at tempered glass. I expect heavy foot traffic along 8th/9th/Olympic with all these residences coming online.

This probably shouldn't turn into a homeless thread, but live here long enough and you'll change your mind about that. Yeah, most are harmless, but there are a large amount of seriously mentally ill people around here who lash out violently. I've seen all kinds of stuff in the years I've lived here. And it also creates a seriously negative atmosphere. People don't want to be around people are randomly screaming and kicking and throwing trashcans and pooping - whatever it is. The crazy things I've seen in Pershing - knife fights, woman battering, random acts of totally scary insanity, dudes running naked around trying to light stuff on fire. It's not a positive environment for tourism and growth. I have three serious crackheads living outside of my building at night lately. Do they say much, not usually, but that doesn't mean you want to have to step over them every time you come in and out. They're crack heads - by definition not people you want to necessarily have to deal with on a daily basis.

[brudy]

Originally Posted by caligrad

Eh.... yeah you're right. Spring street for me is still on the walking dead territory but its cleaning up a lot. what Broadway used to be. the new border between east and west but at night its still borderline scary.

The new border is Los Angeles St. Main and Spring are better than they were (although worse in the last two years, like all of downtown).

[caligrad]

^^^ I was thinking that but didn't want to get a bunch of heat for pushing the border eastward....quick change of topic before we get moderator heat.

I remember hearing something about the new 6th street viaduct breaking ground a week or 2 ago. Has that been confirmed ? any work going on? The new harbor bridge in Long Beach is so painstakingly hard to watch, little to no activity some days, That hopefully this one goes a bit quicker since there isn't really a big body of water or cargo ship traffic to cross.

[BrianMojo]

Originally Posted by retina

I do agree the "walking dead" are not good for business but there is enough pedestrian foot traffic in most areas to counter their numbers. It just seems random some glass remains uncovered while others hide their storefronts. It is really a shame. I don't expect these "walking dead" to disappear but they are mostly harmless. Roaming around, jaywalking, dumpster diving, and randomly screaming; they aren't violent in my opinion. I doubt they have the energy to hurl items or themselves at tempered glass. I expect heavy foot traffic along 8th/9th/Olympic with all these residences coming online.

Lots of places get their glass busted not by the homeless, but by drunk bar-goers and vandals. I agree that the solid metal roll-downs junk up the look of the street, but for now at least some protection is still necessary. And good luck convincing some store owners they don't need it, even in the future. I see metal bars on super nice home windows in very affluent neighborhoods -- it just comes down to people's perception and level of paranoia.

That said, I'd love to see more roll-down "cages" that allow people to still see inside. They do basically the same thing and are much better aesthetically.

[mhays]

Originally Posted by alki

Insignia in DT Seattle will have 643 units and 1063 parking spaces when completed:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=452738

As for low-mid rise bldgs going up in neighborhoods, you and I have had this discussion in the past. Yes, developers are putting in less parking spaces in the new bldgs but the result is that people are parking on adjoining streets instead of their bldg. I don't consider that 'working fine'. And this is in a city [Seattle] where only 31% of DT workers get to work in a single occupancy auto.

Even the strongest advocates of mass transit usually have a car. In most American cities, its very difficult to get around simply on mass transit with maybe the exception of NYC. And even in Europe, my friends there tend to have at least one car per family.

I hate cars but I don't see them going away any time soon........and while they continue to be part of our lives, we need to have a place to park them.

Of course cars aren't going anywhere. The point is to balance demand vs. supply.

Insignia is an outlier, and a condo (condos typically have more). Also it's 707 units, not 643.

Rental apartments in Seattle are mostly in the 0.5 to 0.9 ratio of spaces to units, and many have zero. This can be seen in the twice-weekly land use information bulletins (Thursday is the main one). Here's the most recent Thursday, including examples like 400 units with 300 spaces, 30 units with 0 spaces, 27 micros with 0 spaces... There's also a hotel with zero, and another with 0.4 or something, which is a pretty typical ratio.

[brudy]

Originally Posted by caligrad

^^^ I was thinking that but didn't want to get a bunch of heat for pushing the border eastward....quick change of topic before we get moderator heat.

I remember hearing something about the new 6th street viaduct breaking ground a week or 2 ago. Has that been confirmed ? any work going on? The new harbor bridge in Long Beach is so painstakingly hard to watch, little to no activity some days, That hopefully this one goes a bit quicker since there isn't really a big body of water or cargo ship traffic to cross.

(topic change )

The bridge is still open, I don't think demo was supposed to start until june, IIRC.

[colemonkee]

The punmaster in me loves what they did with the naming on Beacon on Hill. The design is passable - nothing to write home about, but not offensive. The new renders show how fat of a tower it will be (which the previous render avoided). Still, the programming of the tower is top notch, especially with the units masking the parking podium.

My one real gripe with the design is the huge 8-story concrete wall facing north. I really hope they do some sort of living wall or mural art there so it's not just a blank concrete wall towering over what is becoming one of downtown's better outdoor dining areas: the space outside Horse Thief. A green living wall or even art would add to that space, but a blank wall would kind of kill it.

[blackcat23]

Originally Posted by colemonkee

The punmaster in me loves what they did with the naming on Beacon on Hill. The design is passable - nothing to write home about, but not offensive. The new renders show how fat of a tower it will be (which the previous render avoided). Still, the programming of the tower is top notch, especially with the units masking the parking podium.

My one real gripe with the design is the huge 8-story concrete wall facing north. I really hope they do some sort of living wall or mural art there so it's not just a blank concrete wall towering over what is becoming one of downtown's better outdoor dining areas: the space outside Horse Thief. A green living wall or even art would add to that space, but a blank wall would kind of kill it.

One of the other elevation plans which I didn't include mentioned the possibility of supergraphics. They also could be anticipating future development of the property to the north.

[bzcat]

Originally Posted by blackcat23

http://urbanize.la/post/arts-district-subway-extension-still-alive

Metro still kicking around plans for new infill stations at 1st and 6th Streets in the Arts District.

More than just kicking around.

Metro's preliminary report says in order to support higher frequency service on Purple line, a turn-around facility and terminus with 3 tracks must be constructed beyond Union Station before the Purple line extension opens. And on top of that, to ensure on time performance, the trains must continue in revenue service from Union Station to the turn-around facility. That means the 1st street station is a foregone conclusion... it's just a matter of time... do they construct the turn around platforms at 1st street in the next year or so and start revenue service, or they wait until closer to 2023 when the first phase of Purple line extension is supposed to open.

The 6th street station is not required to accommodate the projected frequency on Purple line but it is likely to be so low-cost that it will be done together with the 1st street station.

[retina]

Originally Posted by blackcat23

One of the other elevation plans which I didn't include mentioned the possibility of supergraphics. They also could be anticipating future development of the property to the north.

Can La Cita survive this development, better yet, should it? A one-story building sandwiched between two hulking structures, it seems it may not fit with the neighborhood, both aesthetically and economically.

[ConstructDTLA]

Originally Posted by retina

Sounds like residences, not sure condo vs. apartments. From Brigham: http://brighamyen.com/2014/06/04/beginni...town-la-starts-165-new-lofts/#more-12634

I would love to see a ban on those horrible roll-down metal gates. It gives an impression that DTLA is "closed for business." Further perpetuating the prejuidical stereotypes from long-time Angelenos. Not only are the older jewelry places guilty but even new businesses with beautiful interiors, specifically Austere on 9th/Hill. What are they afraid off?

It will be a hotel, as I said last page.