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Old Posted Mar 1, 2015, 9:51 PM
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As for building heights, I was reading an article a couple of months back that the problem many developers are facing is that city ordinances aren't keeping up with building structure advancements. It was talking about how a beefed up type of wood construction on a pedestal (same designs as Encore and Sizzler) but the wood is more structurally strong and can accommodate taller buildings, beyond the 5 wood on concrete.

The article was saying that most cities simply haven't addressed the new capacities, and won't allow anything wood over 5 stories.

I think I saw it on Twitter, but since it appears I didn't retweet it, I have no idea how I'll find it again.

Do any of you architects or builders out there know what I'm referring too? If so can you help me out?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2015, 11:38 PM
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As for building heights, I was reading an article a couple of months back that the problem many developers are facing is that city ordinances aren't keeping up with building structure advancements. It was talking about how a beefed up type of wood construction on a pedestal (same designs as Encore and Sizzler) but the wood is more structurally strong and can accommodate taller buildings, beyond the 5 wood on concrete.

The article was saying that most cities simply haven't addressed the new capacities, and won't allow anything wood over 5 stories.

I think I saw it on Twitter, but since it appears I didn't retweet it, I have no idea how I'll find it again.

Do any of you architects or builders out there know what I'm referring too? If so can you help me out?
I think it is something like compressed timbers or treated timber, I'll try and find it
     
     
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As for building heights, I was reading an article a couple of months back that the problem many developers are facing is that city ordinances aren't keeping up with building structure advancements. It was talking about how a beefed up type of wood construction on a pedestal (same designs as Encore and Sizzler) but the wood is more structurally strong and can accommodate taller buildings, beyond the 5 wood on concrete.

The article was saying that most cities simply haven't addressed the new capacities, and won't allow anything wood over 5 stories.

I think I saw it on Twitter, but since it appears I didn't retweet it, I have no idea how I'll find it again.

Do any of you architects or builders out there know what I'm referring too? If so can you help me out?
You can find this topic on Ted Talks. Wood framed skyscrapers have come up recently. http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_green_why_we_should_build_wooden_skyscrapers

This type of taller wood construction would not be from typical 2x dimensional lumber, but of heavier timber construction. They are thicker, and therefore have a higher fire rating. Typical dimensional lumber construction is Type V construction, and the least fire resistive. It is limited in height by the IBC(International Building Code) to 4 stories, plus an additional story if it meets other requirements, such as including fire sprinklers. The 5 over 1 (5 floors of wood frame over 1 story of Type I construction(the most fire resistant construction, which is steel or concrete)), is also addressed in the IBC, which allows the 5 floor max. of wood framing in addition to 1 to 2 stories of concrete.

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Old Posted Mar 2, 2015, 5:40 AM
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Deedee Corradini has passed away.

That's too bad. She was pretty young. Corradini was a divisive mayor but she got a lot done during her eight contentious years. Maybe the most successful mayor in SLC history.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/86562...d-only-female-mayor-has-passed-away.html
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2015, 10:10 AM
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Real Salt Lake owner Dell Loy Hansen will hold a press conference Tuesday to announce his latest proposal at a new site. Stay tuned.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2015, 6:46 PM
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I'm hoping that the stadium could still go somewhere in or near downtown. Does Del Loy own any undevelop land in downtown or land with rundown/unused buildings? That could be a big hint of where the stadium could go, unless he has to buy land in that case I have no clue.

He has been buying up land around the Riot for a few years now. That would be kind of cool to have the stadium next to Rio Tinto's and have a little soccer campus. But I don't really see that happening.
     
     
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/upshot...e-1900.html?smid=fb-share&abt=0002&abg=1

That's a cool map that really emphasizes how little of Utah's growth is coming from the outside. Without our high birth rate, it feels like Utah would be a stagnant state in a sea of exploding areas like Nevada, Colorado, Arizona and Idaho.

It's crazy to think that we're sitting in the hottest migration zone in the United States and Utah's growth has more in common with the rustbelt states than anything out west.

It's even crazier to realize Utah is one of the fastest growing states in the country and almost all that growth is, at least compared to other states, internal. Lots of babies.
     
     
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Awesome map. Lots of fun. Utah certainly knows how to buck the trends.
But all those states around us that have higher immigration... where did all that growth go? Was it out to the sprawl-burbs? I honestly can't picture the majority of people moving to Colorado or Nevada seeking a dense urban setting. I'll bet almost all of them were looking for the solitude of the suburbs and cheap land.
Not that added population is a bad thing - it's very very good - but does an internal growth rate mean Utah is growing more sustainably than other sprawl states? Does this mean that while Utah may be less diverse than the other states, its development is more homogeneous - ie, more collaborative, less segmented, and better suited to be (or become) more urban in the future?
Or is all of this me trying to justify Utah again?
Hum....
     
     
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/upshot...e-1900.html?smid=fb-share&abt=0002&abg=1

That's a cool map that really emphasizes how little of Utah's growth is coming from the outside. Without our high birth rate, it feels like Utah would be a stagnant state in a sea of exploding areas like Nevada, Colorado, Arizona and Idaho.

It's crazy to think that we're sitting in the hottest migration zone in the United States and Utah's growth has more in common with the rustbelt states than anything out west.

It's even crazier to realize Utah is one of the fastest growing states in the country and almost all that growth is, at least compared to other states, internal. Lots of babies.

So that's why so many people look the same here.
     
     
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West Valley. I'm calling it right now. West Valley City.
Hatman called it. "Real Salt Lake: Hansen may take his new stadium to West Valley City"

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2241450-155/real-salt-lake-hansen-may-take
     
     
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Hatman called it. "Real Salt Lake: Hansen may take his new stadium to West Valley City"

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2241450-155/real-salt-lake-hansen-may-take

At least the Maverik Center site has transit access.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 4:17 AM
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Hatman called it. "Real Salt Lake: Hansen may take his new stadium to West Valley City"

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2241450-155/real-salt-lake-hansen-may-take


This is too funny. I promise I had no insider info on this. Just pure dumb sarcastic luck at work here!

Maveric Center site would be fine. It's on the same TRAX line as the Fairgrounds site, I guess. But I still wonder, since no specific deal was disclosed, and no site was mentioned, and the mayor didn't answer any calls (a very suspicious sign in my eyes as mayors - rather politicians - survive by linking their names to perceived successes)...
... I still wonder if this mushy, ambiguous piece of news isn't meant to simply spur the legislature into passing the fairgrounds bill that's still stuck in committee. After all, no matter how good the West Valley site is, it isn't nearly half as fantastic as the fairgrounds site is, and everybody knows it.
     
     
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I'm excited to see if in fact the new stadium will be near the Maverik Center parking lot. I'm not too sure it will fit in the current parking lot, however there is space to the west of the former Hollywood Connection in the parking lot that could potentially to added to the Maverick Center parking lot. This all depends on who the current owner is? Does anybody know who currently owns the Maverik Center, Hollywood Connection properties?

One advantage to that site is that there are already restaurants within walking distance that will keep/bring people to the area. That could be a great option to hopefully take out some of the negative stigma towards West Valley.
     
     
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This will be great since I live just down the road.
     
     
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Does anybody know anything about the new apartments on 7th East and ~200 South. There's just a sign in an empty lot that says something like "City View on 7th Coming soon." yet I can't seem to find anything else out. Ideas?
     
     
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I'm excited to see if in fact the new stadium will be near the Maverik Center parking lot. I'm not too sure it will fit in the current parking lot, however there is space to the west of the former Hollywood Connection in the parking lot that could potentially to added to the Maverick Center parking lot. This all depends on who the current owner is? Does anybody know who currently owns the Maverik Center, Hollywood Connection properties?

One advantage to that site is that there are already restaurants within walking distance that will keep/bring people to the area. That could be a great option to hopefully take out some of the negative stigma towards West Valley.
There is plenty of room in the parking lot, actually much more room than the Hollywood Connection site. See the SL MSA thread for more details.
     
     
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Deedee Corradini has passed away.

That's too bad. She was pretty young. Corradini was a divisive mayor but she got a lot done during her eight contentious years. Maybe the most successful mayor in SLC history.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/86562...d-only-female-mayor-has-passed-away.html
I'm sad about that. I think she was the best mayor in the past 40 years, maybe more.
     
     
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Awesome map. Lots of fun. Utah certainly knows how to buck the trends.
But all those states around us that have higher immigration... where did all that growth go? Was it out to the sprawl-burbs? I honestly can't picture the majority of people moving to Colorado or Nevada seeking a dense urban setting. I'll bet almost all of them were looking for the solitude of the suburbs and cheap land.
Not that added population is a bad thing - it's very very good - but does an internal growth rate mean Utah is growing more sustainably than other sprawl states? Does this mean that while Utah may be less diverse than the other states, its development is more homogeneous - ie, more collaborative, less segmented, and better suited to be (or become) more urban in the future?
Or is all of this me trying to justify Utah again?
Hum....
I don't know if their growth pattern is all that more sustainable. I do think having a more homogeneous society can have a negative impact overall due to the lack of diversity in both culture and thought. It leads to way more group-think and politically, that can be very concerning (look at North Korea - though, I'm not necessarily comparing the two ... just that the more diverse culturally, ethnically and politically a nation, the freer).

I also don't know if being homogeneous means we're better primed for being more urban in the future. In fact, the more diverse cities tend to be the more urban - San Francisco, New York, Chicago. Also, it's only better suited to become more urban, I guess, if the prevailing thought is to move in that direction. Getting back to that group-think, much of what has stalled the progress of urban development in SLC is a direct result, I think, of the homogeneous attitude that has dominated this state for forever - you know, larger families, therefore bigger homes with bigger yards in bigger suburban communities.

Much, much of the development we see beyond SLC's borders remains extensively suburban and sprawl-oriented. There are signs of hope, of course, but it's still trumped by the miles and miles of suburban sprawl.

Just look at the fastest growing communities in Utah:

1. Heber
2. Saratoga Springs
3. Spanish Fork
4. Highland
5. Eagle Mountain
6. Springville
7. Pleasant Grove
8. Lehi
9. Lindon
10. Payson

They're all suburban cities with hardly any urban landscape whatsoever. Moreover, as noted by state demographer, Juliette Tennert, this growth is mostly attributed, again, to birth - not people moving into these communities.

Generally, to break through that group-think, you need an alternative viewpoint to be forced into the dynamic. That's not happening and therefore, it leads to the next generation falling for the same problems that undercut this generation. Now, granted, some areas of the state have done a good job at trying to roll back the trend - but it's a two-foot dam against a 100 foot tidal wave, I'm afraid.
     
     
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