The Great Canadian Skyline Thread! - Page 222

Brizzy82 · #**4421** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 2:12 AM**

^ love that Calgary pic

Winnipeg

wikipedia

Winnipeg Free Press

Acajack · #**4422** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 2:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Razor

Ya, I always maintained that it all comes down to how a city is cut up..

Ottawa, Edmonton, and Calgary are pretty much the same size, so whether you have the same office space in a few 50 story towers or more 15 story towers, it's all the same...Ottawa's a short stout person, and a city like Calgary is a tall lanky person who both step on a scale and weigh the same give or take a few pounds. I never researched it, but I'm sure all three cities have the same office square footage give or take.I do like how Calgary's skyline is evolving though. I like how all the office space seems to be focused in the dt, vs campuses spread through out the city which Ottawa seems to have going on..I wish Ottawa had more of that. Calgary has done it right IMO.

Yes. Concentrating employment downtown is something Calgary has done extremely well.

DarthMalgus · #**4423** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 2:47 AM**

One thing Ottawa does have is loads of high rise residential and even a bit of highrise office outside its downtown. Going along many of the major arteries outside the core (especially to the west), it's actually very much a highrise city. Other than Toronto and Vancouer, not sure if any other canadian city has as much highrise development outside the downtown core. Even if it doesn't have the "wow " factor of the taller cities, it does lend the impression of quite a large, dense city IMO.

Edmonton, and especially Calgary, have loads of towers in and around their downtowns but very little outside of them.

ssiguy · #**4424** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 3:38 AM**

Those are great Peg shots.

Spring2008 · #**4425** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 4:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Boris2k7

Full number for Q3 2014 accessible here: http://researchgateway.cbre.com/Layouts/...BID=2a3e10cb-586a-45cf-bbe4-5e22bcf09f80

To be clear, my post is based on the downtown numbers. If you go by total market numbers (downtown + suburban), Calgary has 61.9M sqft., Edmonton 24.3M sqft., and Ottawa 39.3M sqft. Not as wide of a difference but still big.

Cushman's quarterly report are much more detailed and reliable.
http://www.cushmanwakefield.com/~/media/...ry_AMERICAS_MarketBeat_Office_Q42014.pdf

67M sf for cgy with another 6M u/c.

City Centre will hit ~52M sf of office in a couple years. No Chicago but not bad.

Hybrid247 · #**4426** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 4:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Boris2k7

Full number for Q3 2014 accessible here: http://researchgateway.cbre.com/Layouts/...BID=2a3e10cb-586a-45cf-bbe4-5e22bcf09f80

To be clear, my post is based on the downtown numbers. If you go by total market numbers (downtown + suburban), Calgary has 61.9M sqft., Edmonton 24.3M sqft., and Ottawa 39.3M sqft. Not as wide of a difference but still big.

Do you think the Ottawa numbers include Gatineau office space as well?

Rico Rommheim · #**4427** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 4:30 AM**

Downtown Winnipeg is a monster. Just like Montreal, you only realize how big it is when you see it from the air.

Hybrid247 · #**4428** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 4:38 AM**

Ya I've always found winnipeg to have a massive downtown footprint for a city its size. I really hope I live to see that city reach 1 million+ people and see what the core will be like.

Doug_Cgy · #**4429** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 4:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by Brizzy82

^ love that Calgary pic

Winnipeg

wikipedia

Winnipeg Free Press

That's a really unique angle of the Hydro building! I LOVE the glass

Trans Canada · #**4430** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 4:42 AM**

Another Calgary from the NW by SSP'er Surrealplaces

Calgary Skyline by Surrealplaces, on Flickr

TallBob · #**4431** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 5:26 AM**

Nice shots of all cities! Calgary needs some serious height over on the Near West End!

Chadillaccc · #**4432** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 7:16 AM**

Out of Ottawa/Gatineau's 442 towers 35 meters or more, built and UC, there is a nearly even split between towers in the inner city area vs. suburban towers, with a slight edge to the number of suburban towers (too much to count, but an approx 200/243 split for suburban). One of the regions' five 100 meter+ buildings are in the suburbs (Minto Metropole - 109 meters).

Out of Calgary's 353 towers 35 meters or more, built and UC, 293 are in the downtown/Beltline/Mission city core, and 60 are in the suburbs, mostly concentrated along the 201 C-train Line in the NW and SW quadrants of the city. All towers over 100 meters are in the city core, the tallest suburban tower is Ovation at 98 meters.

Out of Edmonton's 277 towers 35 meters or more, built and UC, 235 are in the inner city (North side [Downtown, Oliver, Rossdale, Cromdale] South side [Strathcona, U of A]), and 42 are in the suburbs. All towers over 100 meters are in the city core, the tallest suburban tower is Southgate at 71 meters.

The difference is quite stark. While Calgary and Edmonton are highly concentrated in the city centre, Ottawa has a concentration in the regional centre (Ottawa inner city, Gatineau inner city), with the majority of towers in the suburban area. This difference marks the fact that while Ottawa has had decades of steady growth leading to gradual urbanization, Edmonton and Calgary have had decades of rapid growth leading to heavy suburbanization. Boom and bust cycles seem to not be very conducive to suburban development unfortunately. However, it seems like a renewed push for suburban development is happening in Calgary. From what I hear, the Currie Barracks and Westbrook proposals are going to be incredible, both including buildings up to/slightly over 100 meters tall. They'll be released later this year.

and here are some skylines!

http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...b-a1de-8ba9e3df8fb2-calgary-skyline-2015

http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...-bc0320b2e17e-edmonton-city-skyline-2014

http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...70-4af1-9518-8a2b212df5ac-ottawa-ontario

1overcosc · #**4433** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Out of Ottawa/Gatineau's 442 towers 35 meters or more, built and UC, there is a nearly even split between towers in the inner city area vs. suburban towers, with a slight edge to the number of suburban towers (too much to count, but an approx 200/243 split for suburban). One of the regions' five 100 meter+ buildings are in the suburbs (Minto Metropole - 109 meters).

Minto Metropole is not in the suburbs. It's in the pre-war inner city, although definitely outside downtown. Based on this, I assume you counted inner-city-but-not-downtown towers as part of that suburban total of approx 243?

Beedok · #**4434** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Minto Metropole is not in the suburbs. It's in the pre-war inner city, although definitely outside downtown. Based on this, I assume you counted inner-city-but-not-downtown towers as part of that suburban total of approx 243?

https://goo.gl/maps/tCz0U

That doesn't look very pre-war.

https://goo.gl/maps/WRwxY
This slightly more honest angle also doesn't look pre-war either (maybe 1950s?). Definitely suburban with that low dencity SFH build.

1overcosc · #**4435** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 3:40 PM**

^ You'd have a hard time finding an Ottawan who would classify the heart of Westboro as 'suburban'.

IN'SAUGA · #**4436** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 3:40 PM**

Not a huge skyline height wise, but I really LOVE Winnipeg!.. the density, the historic buildings.. I was pleasantly surprised by the city when I visited. Those are great shots!!

niwell · #**4437** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 5:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Beedok

https://goo.gl/maps/tCz0U

That doesn't look very pre-war.

https://goo.gl/maps/WRwxY
This slightly more honest angle also doesn't look pre-war either (maybe 1950s?). Definitely suburban with that low dencity SFH build.

It's at the edge of pre-war, but the area was definitely established by the 1940s. In the second link you posted you can see houses that likely range from the 1920s to the 1960s. This style of development was common at the edges of some cities at the time, things filled in very slowly as houses were owner built as opposed to speculative development.

kool maudit · #**4438** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 6:18 PM**

westboro is definitely spacious feeling. i was surprised when people in ottawa would unhesitatingly class it as an interesting urban neighborhood. it's gappy, has parking lots and suburban-styled stores, and the residential density is not such that the sidewalks are particularly full.

scrapin · #**4439** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Delirium

Photo by Michael Matti https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelmattiphotography/16321100409/sizes/h/

wow

1overcosc · #**4440** Posted **Feb 13, 2015, 6:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by niwell

It's at the edge of pre-war, but the area was definitely established by the 1940s. In the second link you posted you can see houses that likely range from the 1920s to the 1960s. This style of development was common at the edges of some cities at the time, things filled in very slowly as houses were owner built as opposed to speculative development.

Kingston is like this. Because the city's growth has been slow for its entire history save for the brief boom in the early 1840s when it was the capital, and for a postwar boom from 1950-1965, all prewar development was owner built. No mass developer-build subdivisions until the 1950s.

There's huge chunks of Kingston that are part postwar part prewar. Depending on how strict you're definition of 'prewar' is, the prewar city could contain anywhere from 30% to 50% of the urban area's total population.