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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 6:01 AM
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Cirrus (or is it bunt?) always says that Denver will never out suburb the suburbs.

But in the case of Stapleton? Maybe we have.

Good schools, lots of parks, and a grid that is more dense than traditional suburbs with a location close to central downtown. What's not to like?

I am surprised at the People complaining about the lack of urbanism in Stapleton. Sure, it isn't super dense, but what do you really expect given stapleton's location??

Keep in mind that we are building three and five story buildings in Union Station, and arapahoe square is still virtually undeveloped.

What do you guys expect at Stapleton, the highlands??
     
     
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Cirrus (or is it bunt?) always says that Denver will never out suburb the suburbs.

But in the case of Stapleton? Maybe we have.

Good schools, lots of parks, and a grid that is more dense than traditional suburbs with a location close to central downtown. What's not to like?

I am surprised at the People complaining about the lack of urbanism in Stapleton. Sure, it isn't super dense, but what do you really expect given stapleton's location??

Keep in mind that we are building three and five story buildings in Union Station, and arapahoe square is still virtually undeveloped.

What do you guys expect at Stapleton, the highlands??
Quebec Square was built on the existing grid. I remember reading somewhere that the existing parking lots could be converted to mixed use residential with integrated parking in the future. How long into the future? Who knows.

Given Stapleton's location and scale, there was no way it was going to be truly dense right from the start. Maybe there's some bitterness on the forum because there was talk for years that Stapleton would have skyscrapers. Unfortunately, the only thing close to a skyscraper is the old control tower. I don't think we will see anything taller in the near term. So no skyscraper equals mad forumers.

And there is just no pleasing the Oracle of Stapleton. Unless u were to move Stapleton to DC somewhere...then it would be faaaaaaabbbbullous!!

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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 3:44 PM
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I completely agree with BG918 too that Gates/Alameda is an amazing redevelopment opportunity. Actually on a much larger scale than the Stapleton TOD I would think. This is the kind of location and historic period where they could actually think on the scale of Central Platte Valley style urbanism.
The old plans (by Cherokee) had "CPV" levels of density and scale...hopefully they stay on that track.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 4:44 PM
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What did the city do with the $1 billion dollar prize it won from Sweden for the Stapleton redevelopment plan?
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 4:45 PM
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The old plans (by Cherokee) had "CPV" levels of density and scale...hopefully they stay on that track.
Yes I remember those well! The current "D4 Urban" plan for the Alameda and Broadway strip mall/Design Center area, http://d4urban.com/, is similar in the density that it shows. Let's hope they stick to it, because I think it could really work in this location. Especially once the CPV is all wrapped up, which now appears will now be very soon.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 5:05 PM
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What did the city do with the $1 billion dollar prize it won from Sweden for the Stapleton redevelopment plan?
Good question. I certainly never received my share.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 7:08 PM
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I actually have old Stapleton neighbors who moved down to Lone Tree and they don't like it. They said they don't know any neighbors, kids don't play outside, and it's too conservative for them. Stapleton isn't "downtown urban", but it's more urban than HR or Lone Tree.
That's funny, thinking particularly of the conservative reference. My guess is that Stapleton is more politically neutral, perhaps with a liberal lean especially if defined literally. Literally, "liberal" means not bound by traditional thinking; open to new ideas, more tolerant.

A quick check at Urban Dictionary shows they avoid any controversy by using (only) the alternative meaning of "a lot" as in a liberal portion of food. But if you click on "progressive" you get this:
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A term that former liberals co-opted when they discovered that their delusional beliefs didn't fit any recognized definition of the word liberal.

These fools are frequently self-loathing, unsuccessful losers who can only feel better by projecting their failures onto their opponents.

A "Progressive" is identified by the following behaviors/beliefs:
They then go onto list 13 talking points that supposedly define what progressive means. You can read for yourself by clicking. I was caught a bit by surprise but I never cease to be amazed at how pervasive propaganda from the right has become.

At this point in my life I'm as hunkered down in the middle as one can get. I go issue by issue and don't need either extreme telling me how to think.

But back in the day... in the late 60's and through the 70's I was indeed a proud liberal. I'm sure we had our faults and misconceptions but I always thought of us as visionary, caring and positive. Fast forward and no doubt many environmental concerns today are overdone, even silly. But back then the words "environment" and "environmentalism" weren't even a part of the lexicon. There was no Environmental Protection Agency. Despite occasional excesses so much good has been accomplished for the benefit our citizens and yes children who are typically more vulnerable.

I could easily go on about how the script has been so flipped... but I won't.


Moving right along...
It's easier now, given the success of Stapleton to think of how it could have been even much better. But back in the mid 1990's when it was conceptualized there had to be uncertainty as to how successful it could be given its location and large land area. I'm sure that Forest Properties (and others) saw both opportunity and risk.

Wong has pointed out (a couple of times) the secret sauce that made a huge difference; the schools. The fact that Stapleton has been so well received by the buying public is testament enough for me that Denver City Government and Forest Properties have made the right decisions. It's Denver Perfect.

I'm also hopeful that over time the Peoria Station (I know it's not in Denver) will be dense and that the area around there and then the area between there and Stapleton or south and east of Stapleton will add a lot more density over time.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 7:17 PM
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And there is just no pleasing the Oracle of Stapleton. Unless u were to move Stapleton to DC somewhere...then it would be faaaaaaabbbbullous!!
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Stapleton is great.
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(Stapleton) delivers and is a great model.
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I don't have any problem with (Stapleton)
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(Stapleton is a) good models of better suburbia.
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It's OK
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I'm totally fine with Quebec Square.
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OK, that stuff is fine
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But again: That's fine. I'm not complaining about it at all.
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Nothing is ever perfect.
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Stapleton is basically appropriate, and getting better, and its built-in ability to evolve over time is part of what makes it so much better than regular suburbs.
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Stapleton is fine.
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nothing is ever perfect, so no big deal.
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Again: OK.
I mean, I don't know what you're here for, but I'm here to talk about things, and cheerleading is boring if it's the only thing we do. How many more times do I have to say Stapleton is fine before I'm allowed to talk about it in any deeper terms than how wonderful it is?

Stapleton is wonderful.
I love Stapleton.
Stapleton is a good use of land.
Stapleton is a good model.
Stapleton is very appropriate.
Stapleton is what Denver needed at that time and place.
Stapleton is so wonderful I hope to betroth my firstborn daughter to it one day.

Please give me a number so I can satisfy it.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 7:38 PM
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I mean, I don't know what you're here for, but I'm here to talk about things, and cheerleading is boring if it's the only thing we do. How many more times do I have to say Stapleton is fine before I'm allowed to talk about it in any deeper terms than how wonderful it is?

Stapleton is wonderful.
I love Stapleton.
Stapleton is a good use of land.
Stapleton is a good model.
Stapleton is very appropriate.
Stapleton is what Denver needed at that time and place.
Stapleton is so wonderful I hope to betroth my firstborn daughter to it one day.

Please give me a number so I can satisfy it.
I think you have ran into the issue most of us in Denver have discovered. Questioning the cult of Stapleton in any way shape or form costs you your first born. (Why do you think they have so many kids? We all know affluent white people stopped reproducing decades ago).

You just betrothed your firstborn daughter so that's what they needed. Now they can brainwasher...raise her to go onto message boards and praise the almighty Stapleton. If others don't praise Stapleton your daughter will trick them into giving up their first born like downhome just did, and the cycle continues.

Sorry for not getting on these boards sooner and warning you. At least your daughter will be happy with the plentiful open space, wide roads, abundant parking, excellent schools, the best chain stores, somehow better weather than the rest of Denver, and daily doses of lithium.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2015, 8:05 PM
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It's easier now, given the success of Stapleton to think of how it could have been even much better. But back in the mid 1990's...
Yes, agreed. We are totally being Monday morning quarterbacks. But Monday morning quarterbacking is part of what makes football fandom fun. And here we are, on an internet message board, that exists for no reason except for us to have fun.
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Fun facts and ironies about Stapleton. It's named after Ben Stapleton, who was a Denver Mayor in 12935 and also a KKK member.

Given that, Stapleton is named after him with MLK BLVD going right through the heart of it. Funny..
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More fun facts about Stapleton. Did you know it used to be an airport?! WOWWWWWWW.
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It's also very white (compared to the surrounding neighborhoods).
     
     
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It's also very white (compared to the surrounding neighborhoods).
And wealthy.
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It's also very white (compared to the surrounding neighborhoods).
Yesterday I read Heather Draper's coverage in the DBJ of the Vectra forecast for Colorado. This caught my eye.
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The state's racial mix also is changing significantly — Colorado's population was 85 percent white in 1970, 70 percent white in 2010 and is expected to be 55 percent white in 2014.
I knew that Denver had become a minority majority city. This statement however is in reference to the state. The change from 1970 to 2010 of 85% white to 70% wasn't so surprising. That the state is already deemed to be only 55% white is interesting.
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Yesterday I read Heather Draper's coverage in the DBJ of the Vectra forecast for Colorado. This caught my eye.

I knew that Denver had become a minority majority city. This statement however is in reference to the state. The change from 1970 to 2010 of 85% white to 70% wasn't so surprising. That the state is already deemed to be only 55% white is interesting.
That is the projection for 2040, not 2014:

https://www.vectrabank.com/proactive-ban...Elizabeth_Garner_VectraEconEvent2015.pdf
     
     
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By the way, Elizabeth Garner and the State Demographer's Office are incredibly helpful, eager to help. (Almost like not enough people know they exist, so they want to get the word out.) Highly recommended if you ever get the chance to use their services.
     
     
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Haha, now that makes much more sense. I wondered. Thanks for the correction.
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I mean, I don't know what you're here for, but I'm here to talk about things, and cheerleading is boring if it's the only thing we do. How many more times do I have to say Stapleton is fine before I'm allowed to talk about it in any deeper terms than how wonderful it is?

Stapleton is wonderful.
I love Stapleton.
Stapleton is a good use of land.
Stapleton is a good model.
Stapleton is very appropriate.
Stapleton is what Denver needed at that time and place.
Stapleton is so wonderful I hope to betroth my firstborn daughter to it one day.

Please give me a number so I can satisfy it.
LOL boo hoo.
     
     
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"Colorado construction-defects reform bill coming next week"

According to the headline by Ed Sealover in the DBJ HERE. The choice quote:
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"Our goal was to reduce the number and magnitude of rewards for cases. We think we have legislation that would do that," said Tom Clark, CEO of the Metro Denver Economic Development Corp., which has led the coalition of business groups, home builders, metro mayors and affordable-housing advocates pushing for this bill.

"We have a bill poised to go in the Legislature ... We think we are close to getting it done," Clark said.
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Though it is expected to pass the Republican-led Senate, House Speaker Dickey Lee Hullinghorst has said she has little interest in seeing anything similar to last year's bill become law and would rather talk about broad-based suggestions to help the middle class be able to afford homes more easily.
All due respect but Ms. Hullinghorst is a great example of those on the too far left being as oblivious to the real world as many Tea Party thinkers. It's not so much that their intentions are bad as they just don't get the reality of how things work. Visions of utopian creations never will work.

Aside from the posturing it comes down to who has the votes. In this case it's the vote in the House to watch.
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