Phoenix Development News (3)

[Jjs5056]

Originally Posted by PHX31

I figured that's what you were talking about after looking at google earth. First I went to 4th Ave and McKinley and saw a perfectly blank slate lot and knew there wasn't a reason for a demo permit. Then, after looking at 4th St and McKinley I remembered the demise of those galleries.

1. So this means that project is a "go" I guess, right? Do you know of a construction timeline after demo is complete?

2. Hasn't something also been proposed for the 4th Ave/McKinley vacant lot? That's a perfect sized piece of land for something similar to what was built at 5th Ave/McKinley.

It's a 'go' as far as demolition goes; they also seem to have a build permit. So, all signs point to yes, but there's always the risk here that we'll end up with a demo'd lot and no project. Hope that isn't the case, esp since it's the first multifamily project to actually break ground despite all of these proposals. Not sure of a timeline, but I imagine if they do start in earnest this month, they'd be done around Q2/Q3 2016.

There was probably something proposed at 4th Ave during the boom days, but nothing recently, as far as I know. The project on 5th Ave is really great infill - the walkups are a perfect solution for making single-use residential urban; I'd be more than happy to see a similar one on 4th. Two changes I'd like to see: at least one additional story, and making them market rate as opposed to senior/low income.

[turpentyne]

Just to add, It looks like there's one you've not mentioned?

On the north side of Roosevelt, behind the Circle K. There's a sign naming the company, but I forgot it on the way to work. The fences went up a week or two ago.

[Jjs5056]

Originally Posted by turpentyne

Just to add, It looks like there's one you've not mentioned?

On the north side of Roosevelt, behind the Circle K. There's a sign naming the company, but I forgot it on the way to work. The fences went up a week or two ago.

You mentioned 7th-8th Streets; the only project I know of was on 7th-8th Aves. Can you clarify which Circle K?

[turpentyne]

Yep, it's the Circle K on the northeast corner of 7th street and Roosevelt. Back behind there, along Roosevelt about 3 or so acres of land have been separated off. I glanced back at the four you listed in your previous post and either I'm overlooking, or don't see it there. I suspect this is a new one not mentioned? Nothing's happened there yet, though. It's just fencing and a sign.

When I go by it tonight, I'll make a point to look closer at the sign.

[Jackdavis4]

It was mentioned here somewhere, can't remember the specifics. Think around 4 story urban style multifamily development.

[Jjs5056]

Originally Posted by turpentyne

Yep, it's the Circle K on the northeast corner of 7th street and Roosevelt. Back behind there, along Roosevelt about 3 or so acres of land have been separated off. I glanced back at the four you listed in your previous post and either I'm overlooking, or don't see it there. I suspect this is a new one not mentioned? Nothing's happened there yet, though. It's just fencing and a sign.

When I go by it tonight, I'll make a point to look closer at the sign.

Nope, not missing anything. We've heard of possible townhomes between 7th and 8th avenues, but I didn't remember anything about that property. Is it more on Roosevelt or more on 7th Street? I wonder if it's just demo time for the move over to the SEC for Circle K?

[Jjs5056]

Originally Posted by Jackdavis4

It was mentioned here somewhere, can't remember the specifics. Think around 4 story urban style multifamily development.

Does it front 7th Street? What an odd location for any kind of residential project if so.

Also, from the sales brochure for the NEC of Roosevelt/3rd, the Bodega 420 house was not originally included in the assembled lot. That makes it even more frustrating/disappointing as that could've forced a much better project that was less destructive.
https://cassidyturley.onehub.com/app/short_links/bpx2/download

I still can't believe how much space they're wasting on above-ground parking. This is a pretty prime piece of land. The fact that it isn't a dense, mixed use development of at least 6 stories is disappointing and surprising.

[turpentyne]

no, it seems to front onto Roosevelt, but there are leftover signs from when it was for sale, saying there was potential 7th street entry. I don't know how though, with the Circle K and Bus depot there.

On a different topic, has anybody ever heard of ideas for that wedge of land in the middle of that intersection? ( Roosevelt & 3rd Street) As an artist, I've always thought it would be a perfect place to propose a big statue or something cool like that?

[Jjs5056]

Originally Posted by turpentyne

no, it seems to front onto Roosevelt, but there are leftover signs from when it was for sale, saying there was potential 7th street entry. I don't know how though, with the Circle K and Bus depot there.

On a different topic, has anybody ever heard of ideas for that wedge of land in the middle of that intersection? ( Roosevelt & 3rd Street) As an artist, I've always thought it would be a perfect place to propose a big statue or something cool like that?

That triangle is supposed to get a unique shade structure and some odd-shaped street furniture as part of the Roosevelt Streetscape project. If it wasn't completed during this phase, it should be during Phase 2 this summer.

[Tito714]

I wish that weird triangle would be turned into a fountain with phoenix bird monument. i think that would be pretty cool.

[Jjs5056]

Someone here (Hoover?) always mentioned the idea of a roundabout there. I've always thought that was a great idea. The center could have lush desert landscaping with a metal sculpture of the City logo.

[gymratmanaz]

I like that idea!!!!!!

[pbenjamin]

Roosevelt Row in the news...

Protesters ask Phoenix officials to preserve Roosevelt Row culture

[Jjs5056]

I have a feeling that the Barron project will go through (demolishing GreenHAUS and the Scientology building), but that the Wood project won't. They'll surely develop their 7th Ave/Fillmore project first and by that time, multifamily residential will probably be on the decline (with downtown having missed the boat yet again). This, of course, could lead to two worst case scenarios: 1) they demolish Canvas and the two historic houses and we're left with a mega-lot for years/decades to come, or 2) they force tenants out of Canvas, and let it, and the two historic properties sit empty indefinitely until the 'market rebounds.'

Just because they're unwilling to look into alternatives that make use of the abundance of open land that's part of that assemblage while preserving what exists, and have been hit with warranted hostility, doesn't mean the entire area should languish. I really hope it doesn't come down to that... but, how often have developers really changed their plans? I just don't get how the same developer of Skyline is proposing something so anti-urban in a more central location.

[turpentyne]

Ok, the lot I mentioned yesterday on Roosevelt, is Watt Communities. They're planning to build Townhomes there:

http://wattcommunities.com/news-detail.php?ID=%2058

and here: http://vestis-group.com/vestis-group-brokers-sale-of-downtown-phoenix-multifamily-land/

[Jjs5056]

Thanks for that; maybe I mixed that up with the project I thought was happening at 8th Ave/Roosevelt as it sounds similar. Either way, that's a perfect project for the area. Garfield needs that kind of investment; it would be great for downtown as a whole if that neighborhood could move beyond a rough "up and coming" neighborhood into one that's suitable for families/middle class professionals.

Too bad the gateway intersection of 7th St and Roosevelt is such a cluster; with the crappy developments threatening the middle portion of Roosevelt Row, it would've been nice to see the arts district expand east.

[Jjs5056]

Matt Seaman of MetroWest is super cool; he confirmed that Union is still a go, and to expect site work to begin after the SuperBowl. Obviously, it's in his best interest to keep talks of the project going, but why give a date that's so soon if things were in doubt?

Really hope it's true. With all of the bad news regarding the central part of Roosevelt Row, this project would really anchor the western part, create a great neighborhood vibe with Roosevelt Square, Portland Place and Portland on the Park and help support businesses like DeSoto Market while infusing its own great ground-level uses into the mix (and I have no doubt he's going to do his best to offer those spaces at the best price possible).

He also mentioned that they have a couple of other projects in the works, and that they're on the agenda for next week's Roosevelt Action Committee meeting. Anyone have access to that agenda or plan on attending? Any projects from these guys in the Roosevelt area would be good news, which is really needed right now.

[HooverDam]

Originally Posted by Jjs5056

Thanks for that; maybe I mixed that up with the project I thought was happening at 8th Ave/Roosevelt as it sounds similar. Either way, that's a perfect project for the area. Garfield needs that kind of investment; it would be great for downtown as a whole if that neighborhood could move beyond a rough "up and coming" neighborhood into one that's suitable for families/middle class professionals.

Too bad the gateway intersection of 7th St and Roosevelt is such a cluster; with the crappy developments threatening the middle portion of Roosevelt Row, it would've been nice to see the arts district expand east.

Yah if Downtown is ever going to be successful, Garfield (as well as Lower Grand, Eastlake, Oakland/Unversity Park) needs to get to at least the level of stability that Coronado is at now.

I'd say the same for Grant and Central Park neighborhoods too, but they seem much further off. Maybe the hope for them should be to get to where Garfield currently is.

[dtnphx]

Interesting proposal for 24th St. & Highland. During the last boom cycle, this development was slated to be leveled for condos. Here's a more balanced plan for the site.

http://brewaz.com/content/index_story_fr..._num=XXI&issue_num=5&issue_date=February

[combusean]

That's so funny that Grey is actually moving on the block.

Back in 2006, they emphatically stated they needed extra height to make the project pan out and if they didn't get it, they'd convert the apartments to condos and "then they'd be there forever" as a threat to having those ratty old structures never getting replaced, bringing down the neighborhood till the end of time.

Well, they never converted to condos, and now the 56' limit is workable and feasible for reinvestment, even tho I'm pretty sure construction costs have gone up within the last 9 years.

They were also asking for 75' - 80' in height instead of the 70' they received, and now the 56' limit works without the bonus. Mysteries...