Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by LumberJack

Will the Mormon church office building ever get a new skin? I was thinking that it might be the most our dated sky rise in Salt Lake now.

I personally like a mix of architectural eras in a skyline. It shows the city's growth pattern, and tells a story. It also adds variety.

Honestly, I prefer the neon red lights and california coast look of the old Shilo Inn. It added color and light to the night-time skyline.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by LumberJack

Also Comrade, and Stenar, you two are so negative and such complainers. Lighten up. Of course you'll probably just say that we don't understand what a true critic is or if we lived in New York you would be basing things off facts, or blah blah blah. By saying those things you are just making up excuses and trying to cover up your true negativity. It's fine to have a strong opposing opinion but when all you do is rip, complain, bash, curse, and hate on everything and on a culture, it becomes extremely old and tiring. Nobody here is impressed with your "different point of view" because all it is is negativity and hate.

LOL. I like this guy.

As for the Church Office Building, I for one am happy with how it looks. We don't have that many 1970's era skyscrapers and it's even more so unique with the "old world Trade Center design". Who knows, maybe in 30 years the COB will be just as much of a classic as our 1911-1930 era buildings are to us today.

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by Old&New

I personally like a mix of architectural eras in a skyline. It shows the city's growth pattern, and tells a story. It also adds variety.

Honestly, I prefer the neon red lights and california coast look of the old Shilo Inn. It added color and light to the night-time skyline.

I think there's something to that. And I prefer that over the style of pink granite and dark glass that's so many of our other buildings. I've said this before, but as a longtime west bench resident, my best, fondest views of the skyline are of the city nestled in the mountains. The red neon lights of the Shilo always gave me a sense of scale. The Walker Center does that too, but I kind of miss the Shilo.

#UnpopularOpinion

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

LOL. I like this guy.

I think I do too.

But I also think both Stenar and Comrade bring a lot more to the table than just negativity. They aren't all negative, all the time, and they have a love for Salt Lake City and the big picture. Sometimes that comes across as negative; I see it as pushing for positive change. Because I'm a doormat, I would phrase it like "guys, there's a better way to do this," and then say what I think would be better. They're blunt with their opinions, and that can offend some people. I think it's refreshing.

Until it's turned against me, then I passive-aggressively call them dicks and cry and don't come back to the forum for months.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by jedikermit

I think I do too.

But I also think both Stenar and Comrade bring a lot more to the table than just negativity. They aren't all negative, all the time, and they have a love for Salt Lake City and the big picture. Sometimes that comes across as negative; I see it as pushing for positive change. Because I'm a doormat, I would phrase it like "guys, there's a better way to do this," and then say what I think would be better. They're blunt with their opinions, and that can offend some people. I think it's refreshing.

Until it's turned against me, then I passive-aggressively call them dicks and cry and don't come back to the forum for months.

Well, I've never turned against you because I generally agree with most of your opinions and I agree with this^

I think we need more people who want something better. We have too many Pollyanna types who think everything is great in Salt Lake.

[LumberJack]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Well, I've never turned against you because I generally agree with most of your opinions and I agree with this^

I think we need more people who want something better. We have too many Pollyanna types who think everything is great in Salt Lake.

It's called being and staying positive and looking for the good around you. No city is perfect and each need improvements in desired areas but to me there is too much good and positives in SLC right now to be down and negative. I think we can all agree that we want something built where that Carl's Jr is located though, haha.

Ps, everything is great in Salt Lake, that is why it's called the Great Salt Lake. And let's go Ducks, beat the Bucks!!

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by jedikermit

I think I do too.

But I also think both Stenar and Comrade bring a lot more to the table than just negativity. They aren't all negative, all the time, and they have a love for Salt Lake City and the big picture. Sometimes that comes across as negative; I see it as pushing for positive change. Because I'm a doormat, I would phrase it like "guys, there's a better way to do this," and then say what I think would be better. They're blunt with their opinions, and that can offend some people. I think it's refreshing.

The problem is they both come across as two very bitter, unhappy, glass half empty, anti everything that isn't Salt Lake City commenting in a troll like manner 98% of the time with negative after negative posts that can drain the life out of this forum. Yes everybody is entitle to their opinions, but even those opinions seem to be soooooo far unrealistic that I don't think they will ever come across a development they truly love here in a smaller market like Salt Lake that they would see else where say.....New York, LA or Boston. Every time something gets posted on here over the years that is getting develop somewhere outside of Salt Lake that ( I think most of us on here feels is refreshing to see other cities at the very least try to be more urban ) we get comments about how negative the development will be to that area and how it doesn't belong there and should ONLY be in downtown Salt Lake. And then when there's ANY kind of development that does happen downtown it then becomes "god awful", "ugly", "something a kindergarten came up with" and that it "belongs in the suburbs" ect.
I think Ken said it best on here. "I don't see you investing and coming out with your own development" or something to those lines.
And for the new guy to only be on here for a short period of time and has already notice those two negativity says a lot.

[Stenar]

I usually don't say things being built outside SLC ought to be built in SLC. That's mostly other people besides Comrade and me who have frequently said those things. I would love to see more things being in SLC, though, but I don't generally comment on that.

And I have commented on many things I like. I like EPAC, I really like 151. 111 will be pretty good, not great. I like City Creek, mostly.

I love it when suburban areas are trying to develop more urban like areas, but very few are and most of the projects in the suburbs are very far from it. I am, however, skeptical of anything happening in Sandy specifically.

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

The problem is they both come across as two very bitter, unhappy, glass half empty, anti everything that isn't Salt Lake City commenting in a troll like manner 98% of the time with negative after negative posts that can drain the life out of this forum. Yes everybody is entitle to their opinions, but even those opinions seem to be soooooo far unrealistic that I don't think they will ever come across a development they truly love here in a smaller market like Salt Lake that they would see else where say.....New York, LA or Boston. Every time something gets posted on here over the years that is getting develop somewhere outside of Salt Lake that ( I think most of us on here feels is refreshing to see other cities at the very least try to be more urban ) we get comments about how negative the development will be to that area and how it doesn't belong there and should ONLY be in downtown Salt Lake. And then when there's ANY kind of development that does happen downtown it then becomes "god awful", "ugly", "something a kindergarten came up with" and that it "belongs in the suburbs" ect.
I think Ken said it best on here. "I don't see you investing and coming out with your own development" or something to those lines.
And for the new guy to only be on here for a short period of time and has already notice those two negativity says a lot.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by LumberJack

It's called being and staying positive and looking for the good around you. No city is perfect and each need improvements in desired areas but to me there is too much good and positives in SLC right now to be down and negative. I think we can all agree that we want something built where that Carl's Jr is located though, haha.

Ps, everything is great in Salt Lake, that is why it's called the Great Salt Lake. And let's go Ducks, beat the Bucks!!

I met with an old friend from high school last week who was visiting town and he said that Salt Lake City's infrastructure looked like garbage. Everything's so tacky and cheap. I don't agree with him entirely. I don't think it's all garbage, but a lot of the new developments are 🞵🞵🞵🞵. Comrade and I aren't the only ones who say negative things about developments, either.

I'm a huge booster of SLC and no one loves it or thinks it's great more than me. Because it's great, I want us to have more good and great developments. We shouldn't settle for whatever 🞵🞵🞵🞵 gets handed to us.

[ToysNoiz]

Originally Posted by LumberJack

Will the Mormon church office building ever get a new skin? I was thinking that it might be the most our dated sky rise in Salt Lake now.

As I've said before, I think a redesign of the base would help the most. I don't really mind the dullness of the tower, I've gotten used to it and grown to love it. If something was done to base, similar to what was done to the Key Bank tower's base for CCC, everyone (including myself) would have a better attitude towards it.

Perhaps if glass replaced the "map walls", and large three dimensional art could be seen in the lobby from the outside. Maybe like at Avravanel Hall.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by LumberJack

Will the Mormon church office building ever get a new skin? I was thinking that it might be the most our dated sky rise in Salt Lake now.

Also Comrade, and Stenar, you two are so negative and such complainers. Lighten up. Of course you'll probably just say that we don't understand what a true critic is or if we lived in New York you would be basing things off facts, or blah blah blah. By saying those things you are just making up excuses and trying to cover up your true negativity. It's fine to have a strong opposing opinion but when all you do is rip, complain, bash, curse, and hate on everything and on a culture, it becomes extremely old and tiring. Nobody here is impressed with your "different point of view" because all it is is negativity and hate.

I've been thinking the church ought to reskin the COB for ages. I've heard from people who work there that the church has considered it.

[ToysNoiz]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

The problem is they both come across as two very bitter, unhappy, glass half empty, anti everything that isn't Salt Lake City commenting in a troll like manner 98% of the time with negative after negative posts that can drain the life out of this forum. Yes everybody is entitle to their opinions, but even those opinions seem to be soooooo far unrealistic that I don't think they will ever come across a development they truly love here in a smaller market like Salt Lake that they would see else where say.....New York, LA or Boston. Every time something gets posted on here over the years that is getting develop somewhere outside of Salt Lake that ( I think most of us on here feels is refreshing to see other cities at the very least try to be more urban ) we get comments about how negative the development will be to that area and how it doesn't belong there and should ONLY be in downtown Salt Lake. And then when there's ANY kind of development that does happen downtown it then becomes "god awful", "ugly", "something a kindergarten came up with" and that it "belongs in the suburbs" ect.
I think Ken said it best on here. "I don't see you investing and coming out with your own development" or something to those lines.
And for the new guy to only be on here for a short period of time and has already notice those two negativity says a lot.

I very often agree with both Stenar and Comrade. However, I'm less blunt and enjoy different aesthetics.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

As I've said before, I think a redesign of the base would help the most. I don't really mind the dullness of the tower, I've gotten used to it and grown to love it. If something was done to base, similar to what was done to the Key Bank tower's base for CCC, everyone (including myself) would have a better attitude towards it.

Perhaps if glass replaced the "map walls", and large three dimensional art could be seen in the lobby from the outside. Maybe like at Avravanel Hall.

I like this idea. SEE, not all negative. I frequently comment positively on things I like.

[Future Mayor]

I too love to see businesses that grew up in the burbs moving into downtown. That is one less chunk of available office space in downtown which means we are one step closer to 151, and tower 8.

I appreciate some of the negative opinions, I think many of us bring the needed dose of insight from a different perspective. Calling 🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 helps us raise the bar in our vision and the overall future of Salt Lake City. There is a ton of good things happening in Salt Lake City, some of it is first class some of it isn't. But I ultimately see Salt Lake City as a growing city, and I appreciate all opinions regarding development and architecture.

Even though we disagree about Comrade and Stenar, I welcome you to the forum and look forward to your opinions on development.

[Highrise_Mike]

I think it is awesome having all different opinions and points of view, thats how new ideas and ways of looking at something can help make a better city. There is a lot of good happening in Salt Lake and things that are crappy and this is the place that we all get to share our opinions and points of view. I usually dont post too much but I'm always on here and I love to see a diversity of ideas and opinions. I think all you guys are awesome!

[RC14]

I have never seen Stenar or Comrade's opinions as being overly negative. I don't think we should shun every opinion that makes Salt Lake City look less than perfect.
They are not trolling, they are not here to insult anyone, overall they are here to add to and not tear down a constructive discussion.
I may not agree with everything they post but that doesn't mean their opinions are not worth noting. For example, there are both positive and negative aspects about the Shilo Inn/Holiday Inn Express remodel.

[LumberJack]

What is going on with the giant parking lot just south of the court house? Who owns it and is there any development plans for that sight?

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by LumberJack

What is going on with the giant parking lot just south of the court house? Who owns it and is there any development plans for that sight?

I think the DA was going to build there but not anymore. Someone will buy it and build something else, a full city block has to be pretty expensive so expect something nice.

[Hatman]

Okay, group hug ovet. Back to the news.
I had no idea a city could have this much power over ordinary homeowners:

Salt Lake City wants to designate 5 areas as local historical districts

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[goldcntry]

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

Perhaps if glass replaced the "map walls", and large three dimensional art could be seen in the lobby from the outside. Maybe like at Avravanel Hall.

As one who works from that office 1-2 times a week, I agree that a re-do of the base would be nice. Just replacing the claustrophobic non-powered merry-go-round doors would be a huge improvement in my op. Friends of mine in the facilities department have lamented to me that due to the structure of the building, a complete re-clad would cost almost as much as a new building; then again, I have no way to validate or verify those sentiments. Internally, I can validate that the non-public floors are currently being refreshed and updated, though I haven't seen one yet to compare to the floor I'm usually on... which is in desperate need of a make-over!