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Excellent! Looks like skyhouse is right on schedule.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2015, 9:37 PM
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Back to development news:

SkyHouse Denver: The payment kiosks have been removed from the parking lots and the foundation permit has been issued.

7th and Sherman Apartments: The lot has been fenced off and the existing building on the site are coming down.

A building permit application has been submitted for the Alexan Cherry Creek project.
Additionally, but outside of Denver, the Hyatt Place in Belmar that RDS mentioned last year has broken ground. Belmar has really come together as a little downtown for Lakewood with all of the residential and office space U/C there that is really providing some 18-hour action for the place.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 12:33 AM
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The slide in oil prices could result in a much-needed reality check for the Denver housing market if it continues.
     
     
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The slide in oil prices could result in a much-needed reality check for the Denver housing market if it continues.
A) Why does the housing market need a check with the city growing by +10,000
B) How do the oil prices correlate to housing development?
     
     
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Demolition is underway at the old Mile High Untied Way. Here is what is going to replace the old building.



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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 12:43 AM
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A) Why does the housing market need a check with the city growing by +10,000
B) How do the oil prices correlate to housing development?

Ask somebody in Houston right now how they are feeling about local home prices.

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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 4:59 AM
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I hope your right. Remember, 80$ is an average, many fields are upwards of 100$, 120$, with the lowest around 75$.. That is just 'break even'. Also, most of these drilling companies depend on outside capital for exploration and drilling which is going to be scarce given this outlook. Most, if not all of the small players are currently in debt (6:1, even some as high as 12:1). Sure, the big boys: Shell, BP, ConocoPhillips, Exxon will survive; although, Conoco already announced a reduction in spending by 20% for 2015.

We are not even factoring who is sourcing all this debt which is primarily the central banks... Additionally, derivatives have a possibly huge but unknown play in this unwinding.

To be clear, I am not saying the economy will necessarily 'collapse'. The fracking boom will and with it a retraction to the US economy; similar, but with a larger magnitude than 2008 will likely ensue. However, unlike the 08 crash, we are left with cleanup, not assets. Again, the world will go on, and many will be left, more or less, unaffected as with 2008 (I hope). Yet many will suffer. Its important to point out though that we aren't even talking about other debacles which are poised or already hitting us.

Education, water, Ebola, Geo-politics, US political stalemate, changing weather patterns, US dollar status, ecological collapse, racial/religious tensions, etc..

Don't believe the propoganda machine.

I am just saying. Its going to be rough sailing and this fracking crash is just the second of many waves to come. So buckle up.
But, no zombies..
Some of the companies have various percentages of their oil hedged and some have 3 way collars that put them in the $60-65 range right now. We have to keep in mind that North Dakota and Colorado have the biggest discounts on oil of the five major shale plays. It's usually $10-12 less than the spot price. Sand Ridge has 9.5 billion in bonds that are due by 2020 and some start this week. They are one of the companies on a collar hedge and it's not a good one. Additionally they are contractually obligated to drill gas wells that are uneconomical or pay what will be 40-70 million annually in fees. Continental dropped their hedge in October... bad bet. There are dozens of stories like these for multi-billion dollar companies.

I just had a conversation with a friend that is working in the Woodford and they have 9 rigs coming back into the their yard this week. No matter what you hear on the news, trust me, it's really bad right now. The oil companies and finance companies are usually the ones giving the information and there is no benefit for them in telling stockholders how bad they think it's going to get. Everyone will be cutting CapEx and it will be more than 25% by years end. The "free money" is already being shut down. The Ponzi scheme is over and we will soon make a transition to conventional production and shale production that's economical on a PV-10. Between contractual obligations, hedging, lease obligations and a few companies trying to drill themselves out of this, I'm afraid the price drop will be prolonged. The legacy wells in the Bakken decline around 70,000 bopd each month. The Eagle Ford is almost double that. It will be interesting to see the decline curves on the wells in the fringe areas. Regardless I can see the Eagle Ford in decline in the next 6 months and the Bakken in the fall. The Permian is kind of hard to get a handle on, but it as well has many wells that shouldn't have been drilled. Hopefully, we can see prices start to recover once these fields go into decline. The reversal may swing out of control and I wouldn't be surprised to see Saudi make cuts at that time and recover their cash. This time we won't drill ourselves out of it. Bad money often has short memory, but I don't see this repeating itself anytime soon.

I hope we don't have an issue of energy money pouring into building and development, and then Denver misses out because the energy decline brings down the local economy. I think we will be ok, but times will be worse for a bit. I'm guessing a lot of money is going to go into retail. Maybe that will help the mayor on his retail push. I know it's different money, but maybe some can get diverted for light rail extensions and street cars in Denver. Hopefully not the NW extension. Might as well keep drilling wells with low recovery rates. Anyway, we certainly need the jobs and some retail and smart infrastructure projects would help. Yesterday's report was lipstick on a pig and it's about to get a lot worse.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 3:35 PM
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No doubt there will be some companies totally cleaned out by this. Here are a couple interesting graphs:


My break even numbers must be dated. Those are much more in our favor. Still not great.

Saudi says they will not cut production unless other opec states and the US does. They will bankrupt our boom if neccessay. We have gotten to high on our horse. Reality check.

But great news on sky house. Also the Alexandian is a big hole now.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 6:17 PM
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A) Why does the housing market need a check with the city growing by +10,000
B) How do the oil prices correlate to housing development?
A) housing won't be hit as hard here because of our existing supply problem and diverse economy, but north it will likely be worse.
B) a substantial amount of our growth has been due to the energy sector since 2008 on borrowed endebted money, in particular shale.. the term ponzi scheme is appropriate. Google shale bubble. If shale crashes due to economic reasons it will remove almost all of the good paying jobs added recently to the US economy, as well as put a strain on lending overall. Some assesments state up to 3 jobs are created for every high paid driller.. Look at employment graphs...we are becoming a part time lower paid workforce overall aside from energy and the usual: health, tech...... much of our new manufacturing is also feed from the energy sector. It's one planet, everything is connected.

It's not all bad though. Obviously lower prices help a lot of other industries so there will be some offset, but if production drops as expected due to stalled projects we could see 5$ gas within the next few years. It's not a turn key industry...

Hopefully this doesn't also Derail renewable projects... which is another industry to loose to low prices assuming the money is that short sighted... I hope we have learned better.

Our economy is just going to become more volatile until we get off this stuff. And volatility is not going to help us. We need wise leadership which I am not seeing.

I'll shut up now.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 7:58 PM
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Snooze, you lose around here. LOL

What a series of some great comments. I'm one who knows a little about about a lot cuz I learn from the many who are much smarter than me. I haven't really bothered with what's going on in the oil patch for many months. I got out and have stayed away.

Parker Lewis... Now that's getting down into the weeds. Sand Ridge is one of several examples of "if I can't begin to wrap my brain around what they are doing, I stay far, far away." Didn't know that about Continental. I wonder how the Ex will take this news, hahahah.

bulagajames... I like your last "wrap" comment. Sounds about right.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the futures market is like a very high stakes game of poker. The huge amounts of billions that have been pushing this market down will at some point find a bottom and those who are short the market could start covering and cause a quite vigorous rally off the bottom.

Ever since I saw the picture of Prince what's-his-name holding hands with George Bush on his Texas Ranch then I knew that Saudi Arabia was our BFF (I kid about GWB). But I think ultimately they want a more stable viable price for crude and aren't specifically looking to BK American oil companies.

Crude is a global market and I suspect that some of the off-shore deep water exploration is as vulnerable as fracking exploration. More marginal investments will suffer. I can think of one company who provides the drill rigs in particular that is highly, highly leveraged. Growing production in Iraq is a part of the oil supply picture.

bcp... That's a wrap.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 8:35 PM
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So... I've been practicing my tighter urban corridor flying.

Does it make me nervous? Yep.

Do I shake like a wimp when its in the air because I'm scared of crashing into another building? Yep.

Are the results awesome? Yep.

Can anybody and their family dog take cool ground photos of the Triangle Building? Yep.

From the air? Maybe...

Hopefully my health stays up now so I can be back on the radar! More to come this week!

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So yesterday I was catching up on all things Denver especially at the DBJ. Articles on construction defects, oil and gas setbacks, etc and the convening of the new legislature.

I can't tell you how badly the looney tune conservatives have set Arizona back economically. After three decades of big growth and economic success too many took themselves and the state for granted. They passed silly Bills just because they could in a vision of making Arizona their utopian place to live. In Colorado I have wondered if my friends on the left aren't in danger of doing the same to Colorado.

Best comment I read came from House Minority Leader Brian DelGrosso, R-Loveland HERE.
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"I meet with a lot of business groups, and they say: 'Brian, the No. 1 thing you can do down there is to do nothing. Leave us alone,'" said DelGrosso, who said that he'd like to pass construction-defects reform but doesn't have a lot of other measures on his agenda.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2015, 9:28 PM
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Skyhouse...Excellent, I saw where they closed on a $65M loan with JPM in December so I figured it would be starting soon.

This has been listed as Skyhouse I, anybody have knowledge where they intend to clone this guy?
Can I assume the loan was specific to SkyHouse Denver? Timing sounds right. They have built more than one SkyHouse in several cities. In fact I think they recently broke ground on their 3rd one in Houston. Oops.

I can't guess the vulnerability of residential projects in the pipeline but given how many are already under construction I wouldn't be surprised if some are "delayed."

I'm comforted by the fact that our Honorable Governor and yes even the Honorable Mayor of Denver have continued their efforts to Keep us in Game.
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Can I assume the loan was specific to SkyHouse Denver? Timing sounds right. They have built more than one SkyHouse in several cities. In fact I think they recently broke ground on their 3rd one in Houston. Oops.

I can't guess the vulnerability of residential projects in the pipeline but given how many are already under construction I wouldn't be surprised if some are "delayed."

I'm comforted by the fact that our Honorable Governor and yes even the Honorable Mayor of Denver have continued their efforts to Keep us in Game.
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Borrower: SKYHOUSE DENVER LLC

Property Address:


Lender:
JPMORGAN CHASE BK

Date Recorded: 12/18/2014

Loan Information
Loan Type: C
Loan Rate: 0.00%
Loan Amount: 65487500

Rate Type:
F


The project has been listed as Skyhouse I on the City of Denver development list/spreadsheet so I assume they have plans for another at some point.

Nice photos Ryan, the building is turning into a real beauty!
     
     
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^^ Grateful. I hoped that's what you meant. Nothing gonna stop that now.
They might have an interest in building another in Denver; whether they've even got a site in mind, who knows. Cherry Creek would make sense for them.

RyanD... Yeah, awesome droning.
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JOHN FOX HAS GOT TO GO!

With all that talent on the team..... he presents only terrible performances for playoff games.....

No strategy,
No sense of direction,
No adjustments to different teams/changes at halftime to adjust to game.......
Nothing......
Except terrible play calling and decisions.

Peyton has two years left on his contract..... he will definitely be another year (or two) older and just that much slower next year and after that.

If DENVER WANTS a SUPER BOWL WINNER with PEYTON MANNING.....

FOX HAS GOT TO GO.....

(no smile here at the end this post)
     
     
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We are all fucked!


It's not the same as 08. Everybody either owns or rents a home. Not everybody is dependent upon the energy industry for their income. But, everybody consumes energy. Everybody. So you tell me again how this is as bad as the housing crash, when everybody needs a roof over their head, and most of those need energy to either heat or cool those homes, which is now 50% cheaper at it's source for many.

Besides, heard of any cracks in the banking industry from all this? It's been six months. You would think, by now, this price drop would have brought somebody down. Maybe this is the new disaster call that just won't happen?

Like I said before, the stock market is still the prettiest girl at the dance. There is tons of cash in the world seeking a safe place and decent yield. That place is The United States. The smart money is pouring into the US.


Now... if we want to talk about a place that may be facing an 08 style crash soon.... Europe. Lots of stormclouds on the horizon, and those storm clouds keep getting darker. The recent events in France are just another nail in the European coffin.


also, fuck the Saudis.
     
     
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It's not the same as 08.
I agree. '08 was scary because it combined a real estate bubble with a financial bubble on a global scale even if Asia and LatAm were less impacted initially. More typically a real estate bubble would cause financial fallout but this time it was a double-barreled wipe out.

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everybody needs a roof over their head, and most of those need energy to either heat or cool those homes, which is now 50% cheaper at it's source for many.
The vast majority of heating and cooling is from NatGas or from electricity generated from nuclear, coal and NatGas.

Many have articulated potential problems ahead but with the mentioned "hedging" it's hard to foresee how it will all play out. There's bound to be some ugly messes here and there but for now I remain calm and Denver should be fine even if it takes a little of the juice away.

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Like I said before, the stock market is still the prettiest girl at the dance. There is tons of cash in the world seeking a safe place and decent yield. That place is The United States. The smart money is pouring into the US.
Very much agree and and it's hard to measure the impact but it is surely there and it is significant. And I will repeat that it all goes back to Bernanke and Timmy G for their incredible response to the crisis. They not only saved our carcass but China's etc. etc. Contrast that with Europe's timid response; it's why we stand head and shoulders above the rest.

Have I not mentioned that I've had several Saudi wives? It's not a bad way to go.
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The vast majority of heating and cooling is from NatGas or from electricity generated from nuclear, coal and NatGas.

Have I not mentioned that I've had several Saudi wives? It's not a bad way to go.
Ha!!!


And good point but I think the impact on the economy remains the same. People are spending less on gas which equates to more cash in their pockets, and hopefully increased consumer spending.

And I agree that development in Denver will slow down this year... I have a feeling that 1144 15 street is unlikely to come to fruition. But, residential should remain strong.. :thumbsup:
     
     
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Let's go find some Good News
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"Bummer numbers: Phoenix an also-ran on best-performing cities list"
Eric Jay Toll has the overview story and Top Ten cities list HERE:
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The Miliken Institute's 2014 Best-Performing Cities numbers were not kind to Arizona, with metro Phoenix dropping one position to come in at No. 66 while Tucson plummeted 46 spots to rank 161st among 200 of the largest U.S. metropolitan areas.
So, Good News by Comparison?
Sure, why not?


A pdf copy of the Report can be viewed HERE.
"California and Colorado each had four metros in the Top 25, matching their performances in the 2013 index."
  • Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO came in #12 an improvement of 3 spots over 2013
    Boulder, CO came in at #13 down 4 spots over 2013
    Greeley, CO came in at #14 also down 4 sports
    Fort Collins-Loveland, CO came in #17 up 3 spots from 2013
Well that is Good News
Yes it is
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