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Old Posted Jan 7, 2015, 3:10 AM
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Oh, some news for everyone.

Not exactly development news but I just noticed it today...

The billboard that was just west of the Shilo on 2nd South has been removed. I don't think it has been gone long but with its removal, this would signal that the reported expansion around the Shilo for parking or hotel will happen soon.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2015, 5:28 AM
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Post of the West Station Apartments. Some disappointing aspects of this project.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2015, 2:52 PM
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http://www.sltrib.com/news/2027781-155/salt-lake-county-da-to-get
Well unless i am reading this wrong, which i may due to lack of sleep so much for a big building for the DA's new office downtown. Salt Lake really likes to scale back on how big they make things sometimes "He said the new general configuration — an 86,000-square-foot building downtown and a 35,000-square-foot facility in West Jordan — would give the county 21 percent more space for just a little more money than was needed for a discarded plan to erect a single, 101,000-square-foot office elsewhere in downtown." this was in the article. Maybe like was said somewhere on here before a mixed use could still somehow happen....
     
     
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Post of the West Station Apartments. Some disappointing aspects of this project.
It's interesting how "encourage" is use when talking about reducing parking spaces to get people to ride track. I live in a complex that "encourages" transit use And park is a b..tch to get. And although I live by trax and work by trax I don't take it...only because I chill easily 😜. Okay in the summer I do. But I just think it is interesting they use that word
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2015, 4:24 PM
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Well unless i am reading this wrong, which i may due to lack of sleep so much for a big building for the DA's new office downtown. Salt Lake really likes to scale back on how big they make things sometimes "He said the new general configuration — an 86,000-square-foot building downtown and a 35,000-square-foot facility in West Jordan — would give the county 21 percent more space for just a little more money than was needed for a discarded plan to erect a single, 101,000-square-foot office elsewhere in downtown." this was in the article. Maybe like was said somewhere on here before a mixed use could still somehow happen....
My understanding was that the plan was to build a bigger building 10-15 stories on the location. They would use about 100,000 sq ft and then lease the rest to the public with the goal that some of the leases would be for more law firms and the County would recoup and gain money from the private sector leases.

I guess this didn't seem good to the council, so they went with a smaller office where the County would occupy the entire structure but the rest of the land will be kept in their control for possible expansion in the future.

I do admit that I was saddened at first to hear of the scale back but then I thought that instead of Lawyers taking up shop in the County legal building, this would further increase the need for office space near the courthouses. With this, the only building that is currently being planned and working on that is in close proximity to the courthouses would be the AIR.

So rather than be discouraged, I am now more encouraged that Ken may see even more interest in his building with the County now out of the of the running to build space for others to lease.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2015, 7:09 PM
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My understanding was that the plan was to build a bigger building 10-15 stories on the location. They would use about 100,000 sq ft and then lease the rest to the public with the goal that some of the leases would be for more law firms and the County would recoup and gain money from the private sector leases.

I guess this didn't seem good to the council, so they went with a smaller office where the County would occupy the entire structure but the rest of the land will be kept in their control for possible expansion in the future.

I do admit that I was saddened at first to hear of the scale back but then I thought that instead of Lawyers taking up shop in the County legal building, this would further increase the need for office space near the courthouses. With this, the only building that is currently being planned and working on that is in close proximity to the courthouses would be the AIR.

So rather than be discouraged, I am now more encouraged that Ken may see even more interest in his building with the County now out of the of the running to build space for others to lease.
OK when you word it that way i take back my frustration. Hopefully like you are saying this could work in favor of Ken getting more interest and having his building come quicker, lets be honest he is the one who will actually give the city something we can all be proud to have in the skyline. Now I am good with that. Crossing fingers this will work in favor of the AIR building. Hopefully whatever they do end up putting there for the DA will fit in nicely and look good. Since it is on a corner is there a minimum height that the building is still going to have to be when they build, or is it outside of the height limit zone.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2015, 7:13 PM
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So it looks like we are looking at a five or six story building as the DA office. Better then nothing......I guess.
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It's interesting how "encourage" is use when talking about reducing parking spaces to get people to ride track. I live in a complex that "encourages" transit use And park is a b..tch to get. And although I live by trax and work by trax I don't take it...only because I chill easily 😜. Okay in the summer I do. But I just think it is interesting they use that word
The biggest disappointment though is that the development will be gated.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2015, 8:38 PM
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The biggest disappointment though is that the development will be gated.
That is very disappointing. It is pretty much just a physical presence that in no way helps creat a community or add to one. What a shame too.
     
     
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The article regarding the DA's future office is written very poorly. Salt Lake County is proposing to split the property into 2 lots and build their building on the east lot and sell the west lot to a developer. One of the reasons is that a corner building in a D-1 zone must be at least 100 feet in height and they never had a desire to build a building that large. Here's the important section of the article:

"Hart told the council Tuesday that it would be best to proceed with the District Attorney’s office structure alone on the southeastern portion of that parcel and to hold onto the land to the west. The DA will get badly needed offices more readily — it now rents three sites for $1.5 million a year — while giving the county "the chance of working with a developer later on the mixed-use property," he added."

Also, I spoke with the developers working on the former Sizzler site. They are working to submit plans in the near future. Sounds like it will be ground floor retail and parking and 4 levels of residential above. They're hoping to break ground this summer. More good development news along 400 South. I think the next big project on 400 South will be the former Hostess Bakery properties.

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I have high hopes for the Hostess Bakery Property. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will live up to the potential.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2015, 2:24 AM
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I still don't foresee AIR being developed in its current state. It'd be nice ... but I'll only be convinced when the steel starts to rise.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2015, 3:57 AM
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The article regarding the DA's future office is written very poorly. Salt Lake County is proposing to split the property into 2 lots and build their building on the east lot and sell the west lot to a developer. One of the reasons is that a corner building in a D-1 zone must be at least 100 feet in height and they never had a desire to build a building that large. Here's the important section of the article:

"Hart told the council Tuesday that it would be best to proceed with the District Attorney’s office structure alone on the southeastern portion of that parcel and to hold onto the land to the west. The DA will get badly needed offices more readily — it now rents three sites for $1.5 million a year — while giving the county "the chance of working with a developer later on the mixed-use property," he added."

Also, I spoke with the developers working on the former Sizzler site. They are working to submit plans in the near future. Sounds like it will be ground floor retail and parking and 4 levels of residential above. They're hoping to break ground this summer. More good development news along 400 South. I think the next big project on 400 South will be the former Hostess Bakery properties.
That article confused me, too. However, from what I understand, they are still going to build on the empty lot just west of the Matheson Courthouse on the same block. UtPlanner, you mentioned that the D-1 Zone requires a min. 100 ft. height, but isn't this block in a view corridor? Aren't there special height restrictions to preserve the view of the City/County building?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2015, 11:13 AM
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So, last year one couldn't help but notice the major push the Park City area was making into the major markets for skiing. I didn't think the ad blitz could be any more present than last season. However, now that the big SKI Salt Lake City has been added into the mix, pretty much every commercial break on every network and cable station is peppered with Utah/Park City Area/Ski Salt Lake City Ads. I DVR everything, but I find myself stopping the skips so I can check out the promotions. I have found over the past few seasons that Utah's fame has been advancing in much the same way as certain celebrities careers do. When I now mention Utah or Park City/Salt Lake City, people have an immediate connection of cognizance. Utah/Salt Lake City's Mighty Five and Ski Season has reached the A-list for name recognition finally.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2015, 11:18 AM
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I still don't foresee AIR being developed in its current state. It'd be nice ... but I'll only be convinced when the steel starts to rise.
I hope it isn't an all or nothing scenario. While I like Ken's ambitious approach with the project, I also like the previous incarnation a lot too. I would be very pleased to see the previous work up come to fruition, if the current project can't raise the needed funds.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2015, 1:29 AM
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Photo update of the Hope Lodge. I am really grateful for the street presence on this project, it really adds density to 100 South.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2015, 1:52 AM
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Those owners in the video, to me, epitomize the slimy land banker developers that allow their properties to languish for decades. So much of the old bones of downtown are literally falling apart because greasy d-bags bought property for pennies have let it fall into disrepair and have kept it from being useful and in many cases have refused to sell opting instead to be overlords of urban decay. Arrow Press, Zephyr, Dinwoody the Broadway between Main and State, Utah Theater and Eat a Burger. Look at the back side of where the Naked Fish (Formerly Mikado) and Cafe Molisse are, the whole damn second floor looks like it is going to implode. Most of the properties I listed really aren't worth saving now but the d-bag owners are the reason. But hey, we have plenty of surface parking.

While I agree wit of what you said there are some exceptions to the buildings you listed. Dinwoody, while not pretty, is a building that is still currently in use, and as you mentioned so it Naked Fish and Care' Molisse. Those buildings being occupied shows that they bones of those buildings aren't in dire condition, otherwise they would not be allowed to be occupied.

Other than that though I agree completely, the reason the bones of Arrow Press Square are worn out and decaying is because the 🞵🞵🞵 hole owners what as you said, bought it for cheap, have a loss on their books each year and are hoping that the CCH will be built there. Yes their site is right across the street from the Salt Palace, but I have no idea how they think there location will be picked. The APS property alone cannot accommodate what the CCH needs even if it where to go 50 stories high.

When I saw those two owners talking I wanted to punch both of them square in the jaw, like whoa are we, our building is in horrible condition and there's nothing we can do about it. 🞵🞵🞵 HOLES.
     
     
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Not that it's anything new or exciting but part of South Temple has been blocked off as scaffolding has started to rise around the JSMB... Looks like they are doing some restoration work on the old building.
     
     
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Hi everyone I am new here. Looking forward to contributing to the Salt Lake forum. Also looking forward to hear everyone else's opinion. Have followed the forum for a little while now. You'll mostly see me here and the Denver and the Portland forums. Cheers!
     
     
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