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#**2541** Posted **Dec 31, 2014, 7:34 PM**

That would be quite a jump from the last timeline I heard.

cyeg66 · #**2542** Posted **Dec 31, 2014, 9:06 PM**

I've been hearing spring '16 but there may have been further slips in the schedule since then. For such a large project, I wouldn't be surprised. You've got to anticipate hiccups during the fitting out stages so with this in mind, maybe they're being more conservative on the opening date.

Full Mountain · #**2543** Posted **Dec 31, 2014, 9:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by cyeg66

I've been hearing spring '16 but there may have been further slips in the schedule since then. For such a large project, I wouldn't be surprised. You've got to anticipate hiccups during the fitting out stages so with this in mind, maybe they're being more conservative on the opening date.

Probably a case of under promise over deliver, better to be 100% ready and waiting for opening than be scrambling to finish everything the night before or have sections not ready.

Cage · #**2544** Posted **Jan 1, 2015, 1:17 AM**

Originally it was opening day in fall 2015. Then a few months ago it was construction complete in fall 2015 with opening in 6 months later in spring 2016.

Being a financial accounting guy, q3 means July to September. Putting my aviation hat and no way they are opening during the busiest 2 months of the year, so it looks like mid to late September opening if the rumours prove true.

A September 2016 opening is looking really scary from a congestion and passenger experience perspective. For summer 2016 schedule WS will have 4-6 763 on the property (4 confirmed with potential expansion if the 763 introduction goes smoothly in winter 2015-16). AC rouge will also be maxed out at 50 airframes and YYC could be front line for an ACr vs WSi dog fight. I do not relish the prospect of the existing longhaul widebody operations, plus 2-3 daily WS 763, plus AC 788 to NRT and PEK, plus other transborder flight expansion. Existing CBSA and USCBP facilities are not up to the work load that a summer 2016 international longhaul operation could entail.

Hopefully the prospect of late opening will provide the incentive to get everything on track for a spring 2016 opening.

casper · #**2545** Posted **Jan 1, 2015, 1:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

Originally it was opening day in fall 2015. Then a few months ago it was construction complete in fall 2015 with opening in 6 months later in spring 2016.

Being a financial accounting guy, q3 means July to September. Putting my aviation hat and no way they are opening during the busiest 2 months of the year, so it looks like mid to late September opening if the rumours prove true.

A September 2016 opening is looking really scary from a congestion and passenger experience perspective. For summer 2016 schedule WS will have 4-6 763 on the property (4 confirmed with potential expansion if the 763 introduction goes smoothly in winter 2015-16). AC rouge will also be maxed out at 50 airframes and YYC could be front line for an ACr vs WSi dog fight. I do not relish the prospect of the existing longhaul widebody operations, plus 2-3 daily WS 763, plus AC 788 to NRT and PEK, plus other transborder flight expansion. Existing CBSA and USCBP facilities are not up to the work load that a summer 2016 international longhaul operation could entail.

Hopefully the prospect of late opening will provide the incentive to get everything on track for a spring 2016 opening.

They could also potentially open up in stages. Move US flights over first and then a month or two latter move the other international flights.

it does look like they are getting creative in Calgary. On the Air Canada domestic wing (what use to be A before) this summer I was surprised to see they had the Boeing 777 to Frankfurt in a fairly weird configuration for boarding. It was perpendicular to the hammerhead part of the pier, with the bridge straight into the aircraft. After traveling through Calgary for the last 15 years on a very regular basis I had never seen that configuration used before. It is going to be an interesting first half of the year.

Riise · #**2546** Posted **Jan 1, 2015, 3:25 AM**

We'll still beat Berlin right?

Cage · #**2547** Posted **Jan 1, 2015, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

They could also potentially open up in stages. Move US flights over first and then a month or two latter move the other international flights.

Opening in stages would be very problematic due to CBSA and USCBP requirements. With the exception if YYZ, there is no Canadian precedent for operating multiple small customs halls within the same terminal complex, the precedent is for a single large customs hall for maximum ops efficiency by the customs authority.

If transborder ops move over as you suggest, the CBSA must staff two separate customs halls. The temporary increase in staff requirements cannot be handled as most CBSA positions have several months of job specific training. Plus the union would not allow for temporary back fill of the extra positions as there are promotion and pay implications.

A second option to overcome the customs issues is to arrive aircraft at the old terminal and then depart from different terminal, this has huge efficiency implications for the airlines and is generally considered inefficient.

A third option to overcome both the customs and airlines ops issues is to bus pax from remote stands. This is both highly in efficient from pax perspective but also does not solve issues with customs hall capacity.

Cage · #**2548** Posted **Jan 1, 2015, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riise

We'll still beat Berlin right?

Denver no longer holds the award for most problematic terminal development and delayed opening.

#**2549** Posted **Jan 4, 2015, 12:59 AM**

AA skeds now showing 2x 319 for DFW-YYC indefinitely, down from 2x 738 last summer. Not surprising given that their YYZ-DFW went fully 319 last year, but it's still 60 fewer transborder seats each way per day vs S14. However, WestJet's single mid-morning -700 service will fly again so at the end of the day it ends up being a net gain of DFW seats from when it was 2x mad dog before we first saw the 738. Possible that AA is happy to let the WS flight carry some pax, the YEG flight is impacting YYC, or they just want the 738's elsewhere and we're a victim of the merger shuffle. Dunno.

The bigger international hit for S15 remains AC's double downguage of LHR and FRA to 333 equipment vs 77W last summer. I keep checking hoping we'll get at least one back, but I'm starting to lose hope. YYZ has firmly stolen those airplanes.

ItsALondonThing · #**2550** Posted **Jan 6, 2015, 10:22 AM**

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AA skeds now showing 2x 319 for DFW-YYC indefinitely, down from 2x 738 last summer. Not surprising given that their YYZ-DFW went fully 319 last year, but it's still 60 fewer transborder seats each way per day vs S14. However, WestJet's single mid-morning -700 service will fly again so at the end of the day it ends up being a net gain of DFW seats from when it was 2x mad dog before we first saw the 738. Possible that AA is happy to let the WS flight carry some pax, the YEG flight is impacting YYC, or they just want the 738's elsewhere and we're a victim of the merger shuffle. Dunno.

The bigger international hit for S15 remains AC's double downguage of LHR and FRA to 333 equipment vs 77W last summer. I keep checking hoping we'll get at least one back, but I'm starting to lose hope. YYZ has firmly stolen those airplanes.

At least BA's 787 will be returning.

Bigtime · #**2551** Posted **Jan 6, 2015, 1:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by ItsALondonThing

At least BA's 787 will be returning.

Did I miss something over the holidays? Has BA switched and will keep the 787 on the route? Or do you mean it will return once BA has retired all their 767's and IF they are still serving AB they have no choice but to put a 787 back on the route?

yyc_engineer · #**2552** Posted **Jan 6, 2015, 5:52 PM**

Anyone know what's going on with Houston - YYC flights today? Specfically AC Jazz 8103 - looks like it's heading to Regina? Is this a diversion or normal practice?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JZA8103/history/20150106/1300Z/KIAH/CYYC

Pegasus · #**2553** Posted **Jan 6, 2015, 7:27 PM**

^^^
I was on AC844 from Calgary to Frankfurt in 1998 and we stopped to re-fuel in Winnipeg! Go figure . . .

Robag · #**2554** Posted **Jan 6, 2015, 7:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

Anyone know what's going on with Houston - YYC flights today? Specfically AC Jazz 8103 - looks like it's heading to Regina? Is this a diversion or normal practice?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JZA8103/history/20150106/1300Z/KIAH/CYYC

I was going to ask this same question, as this is the third day in a row that one of the Jazz flights have stopped here in YQR. This isn't the first time I've seen this. This happened a couple of years ago as well, where about 4 or 5 days in a row, one of the Jazz from Houston stopped in Regina.

outoftheice · #**2555** Posted **Jan 7, 2015, 1:25 AM**

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I was going to ask this same question, as this is the third day in a row that one of the Jazz flights have stopped here in YQR. This isn't the first time I've seen this. This happened a couple of years ago as well, where about 4 or 5 days in a row, one of the Jazz from Houston stopped in Regina.

Most likely stopped in Regina for a fuel stop. The headwinds northbound have been much stronger than typical over the last few days.

#**2556** Posted **Jan 7, 2015, 1:52 AM**

Fuel indeed, I thought maybe they'd go IAH-DEN-YYC today as it'd keep them more out of the wind.

Oh yeah... CA has announced PEK-YUL.

YYCspotter · #**2557** Posted **Jan 7, 2015, 1:59 AM**

^ Tuffyy said it would be a few weeks before our announcement and that was on december 12th, so unless something has changed i'm going to say AC will announce YYC-PEK in the next week or so.

Cage · #**2558** Posted **Jan 7, 2015, 3:58 PM**

Technically CA has not officially announced PEK-YUL. I believe the airwhiners reference (which is where I can trace the source of the announcement) was from an internal document.

When CA does officially announce YUL-PEK there will be a cross announcement from AC for the codeshare and JV.

Bigtime · #**2559** Posted **Jan 7, 2015, 4:59 PM**

What are the odds that this potential economic downturn in AB leads to the PEK flight getting put on hold for now?

cyeg66 · #**2560** Posted **Jan 7, 2015, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Fuel indeed, I thought maybe they'd go IAH-DEN-YYC today as it'd keep them more out of the wind.

Oh yeah... CA has announced PEK-YUL.

Huge headwinds across the country yesterday. ACA189 (A320) YOW-YVR got almost as far as Kelowna then turned back to get fuel at YYC. It's not often you'll see that but that's what a 140kt headwind (literally, all across Canada) will do. They probably had the tanks brimmed in YOW, too. When your ground speed is approx 300 kts, ouch!