Winnipeg Construction VIII

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by BAKGUY

. You notice not in Winnipeg, put as the Iceplex and Many car dealerships, outside to avoid paying city taxes. Nice. They are lowering staff wages, have many ways to tax dodge..The rich find a way to get richer.

Iceplex and Pointe West Autopark are both within the City of Winnipeg (even though they are outside of the Perimeter).

[rypinion]

Originally Posted by BAKGUY

Mark Chipman is so smart. What a deal eh made. This family is quite savvy.
In today's Free Press The Chipman family, Steve more so is preparing to open in Headingly, a refurbishing complex.. Birchwood Automotive Group, $6-million used-car reconditioning centre. You notice not in Winnipeg, put as the Iceplex and Many car dealerships, outside to avoid paying city taxes. Nice. They are lowering staff wages, have many ways to tax dodge..The rich find a way to get richer.

All of the Chipman development north of Portage and west of the Perimeter are within city limits.

Edit: Bdog beat me to it, so I'll add some value instead of deleting my post. Here's the city limits (red dotted line) as per google maps:

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by BAKGUY

.The rich find a way to get richer.

People usually feel this way, when they are not one of lucky few.

I would do the same thing, hire the best accountants, investment experts and lawyers to maximize my return on any investment I may become involved in. What is he doing wrong but using the system available to all of us if we so choose? He's a perfect example of what's possible if some one wants to take the time and effort to become successful and wealthy.
Every one has the choice. Why should we chastise someone for being rich and wanting to increase their wealth. Envy?

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by Cyro

People usually feel this way, when they are not one of lucky few.

I would do the same thing, hire the best accountants, investment experts and lawyers to maximize my return on any investment I may become involved in. What is he doing wrong but using the system available to all of us if we so choose? He's a perfect example of what's possible if some one wants to take the time and effort to become successful and wealthy.
Every one has the choice. Why should we chastise someone for being rich and wanting to increase their wealth. Envy?

Getting off topic here, but to further add to that. If only all "rich" people were the character of Steve Chipman. The man is deeply involved with the United Way and spends most Sundays volunteering at a soup kitchen in Point Douglas.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by Cyro

People usually feel this way, when they are not one of lucky few.

I would do the same thing, hire the best accountants, investment experts and lawyers to maximize my return on any investment I may become involved in. What is he doing wrong but using the system available to all of us if we so choose? He's a perfect example of what's possible if some one wants to take the time and effort to become successful and wealthy.
Every one has the choice. Why should we chastise someone for being rich and wanting to increase their wealth. Envy?

Well, outside of Birchwood, the Chipman family has the benefit of having most of its downside risk underwritten by the taxpayers of this city and province. I'm a free-marketer to the core and I don't begrudge anybody's success, but most of what the Chipmans are doing is not reflective of a free market in the least.

[esquire]

I don't think anyone wishes any ill towards the Chipmans. They are a great success and have done a lot for the community. They have not done anything that could in any way be construed as offside or unethical at all. I just wish the province and the city weren't so inept when it comes to things like TNSE subsidies.

[CoryB]

I think the new Birchwood Reconditioning Center is actually a kilometer or two west of the Pointe West auto park placing it outside the City of Winnipeg and in Headingley. It would be fairly easy to check if someone knew the exact location.

If you are driving west the City limit is roughly even to the road where the Flying J truck stop is located.

[wags_in_the_peg]

[QUOTE=Cyro;6828411]People usually feel this way, when they are not one of lucky few.
QUOTE]

I think the smart and hard working folks get richer to and good for them!

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by CoryB

I think the new Birchwood Reconditioning Center is actually a kilometer or two west of the Pointe West auto park placing it outside the City of Winnipeg and in Headingley. It would be fairly easy to check if someone knew the exact location.

If you are driving west the City limit is roughly even to the road where the Flying J truck stop is located.

It's in Headingley. It was approved last year at Headingley council, if I remember correctly. They needed approval to keep all the cars on the lot...

[blueandgoldguy]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

It was used as a carrot by the province. True North successfully made the case that bringing the team here was rife with risk and they wanted fail-safes in place in the event it proved unsustainable. The province being the province, they attached no conditions. Like, if you're profitable, the subsidy kicks out. Now, it's being used to line the pockets of the ownership. Hell, they could've even conditioned it in a way that forced it back into something as a form of reinvestment or that it would be skimmed off the top of any other subsidy tied to their dealings within the SHED, but nope. So now it's just a $4MM payout to the Chipman family on an annual go-forward basis.

And because it's coming from the province, the city has nothing to complain about. The team pays the entertainment tax and the province rebates it.

I thought one of the conditions in reimbursing True North the entertainment tax or giving the 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 subsidy was reinvesting that money into the SHED or MTS Centre? Thought I read that somewhere?

[Spocket]

I'm pretty sure we're all looking for ways to get richer any way that we can so long as it doesn't break the law (well, most of us anyway)
If the issue is that Chipman is using Headingley as a way to save money then good for him. If Headingley can offer a better deal then Headingley wins. Maybe the city can learn from Headingley. This is why competition is good.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

I thought one of the conditions in reimbursing True North the entertainment tax or giving the 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 subsidy was reinvesting that money into the SHED or MTS Centre? Thought I read that somewhere?

It was probably that they had to build the gaming lounge, which they did with the Shark Club. But if somebody guaranteed me a $4MM net payout on an annual basis, I'd build a gaming lounge too. Except the province won't give me any VLTs and they certainly won't give me $4MM in perpetuity.

[1ajs]

if u have no money and tired of it work ur 🞵🞵🞵 of and build urself up.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

if u have no money and tired of it work ur 🞵🞵🞵 of and build urself up.

I agree, but there's a limit. Not everybody has either the fiscal or social capital to get to those levels. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but the idea that one can just work themselves into significant wealth is a very simplistic rendering of that possibility. Just like the idea that all wealthy people are smarter than the average person. There's a huge component of luck that plays into this equation that starts with who you were born to and how they managed their own affairs...

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by esquire

I just wish the province and the city weren't so inept when it comes to things like TNSE subsidies.

This is really the key here.

At the end of the day the Chipmans have smarter lawyers and accountants than the city and province.

Not to mention that Katz and Sellinger gave away the city to the Chipmans to boost their own egos and voter base. This is not the fault of the Chipman family.

[The Unknown Poster]

How dare the Chipmans work hard and get wealthy off their success! How dare they!

[esquire]

Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster

How dare the Chipmans work hard and get wealthy off their success! How dare they!

As far as I can tell, no one is begrudging the Chipmans for their success. No one has a beef with them. The issue is why various levels of government made deals to continuously subsidize them.

[rypinion]

https://twitter.com/RanjjanDev/status/540160901366550529

Originally Posted by @RanjjanDev on Twitter

Demo currently underway at our Wolseley area condos site at the corner of Wolseley and Maryland!

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Spocket

I'm pretty sure we're all looking for ways to get richer any way that we can so long as it doesn't break the law (well, most of us anyway)
If the issue is that Chipman is using Headingley as a way to save money then good for him. If Headingley can offer a better deal then Headingley wins. Maybe the city can learn from Headingley. This is why competition is good.

Just putting it out there that the Chipman family has an extremely long history near the site that is currently the Pointe West Auto Park with their old family farm being on the other side of Portage. Locating the family business close to their traditional home is not surprising. Due to the limitations forced on the area by the airport and the Assinboine river area for commercial development inside Winnipeg on the western edge is extremely limited. It is likely this limitations rather than other business factors that lead to the new reconditioning center being located in Headingley.

[SHOFEAR]

Originally Posted by rypinion

All of the Chipman development north of Portage and west of the Perimeter are within city limits.

Edit: Bdog beat me to it, so I'll add some value instead of deleting my post. Here's the city limits (red dotted line) as per google maps:

My father bought a car from one of those dealerships in the fall. The car was wrapped up in a car cover and fenced off in the middle of the show room when we showed up in the morning and the entire dealership staff came out to unveil it....It was one of the coolest things ever.