The Great Canadian Skyline Thread!

[Acajack]

The population figures for the Philadelphia area include places 100 km or more from downtown Philly. We are not talking about the same kind of measure as the Montreal CMA. Not at all.

[G.S MTL]

now we're comparing Philly? Yall talk about me bitching but all I see here is the same shit!! let it die.

[Beedok]

I just said the skylines were comparable, though admit they're strong for different reasons (# of highrises vs. total height). I thought comparing Montreal to an American city would be safer than the endless rants that come from comparing Canadian cities...

[middeljohn]

At this point Philadelphia and New York have pretty much sprawled into one-another.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by middeljohn

At this point Philadelphia and New York have pretty much sprawled into one-another.

From Washington to Boston, it's one giant megalopolis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis
over 50M

[MolsonExport]

Having been to Philadelphia, the latter's skyline in my opinion is superior to that of Montreal. Street life on the ground in the city proper? Montreal wins, hands down.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by softee

Urban area population according to Demographia:

Toronto - 6,345,000
Philadelphia - 5,530,000
Montreal - 3,471,000

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Demographica (2014) knocks most Canadian cities down a peg on pop counts.
Ottawa/Gatineau and Edmonton are no longer in the millionaire club; Calgary makes it in, but has 100-150K less than the number usually posted around therse parts.

Vancouver: 2,182,000
Calgary: 1,131,000
Edmonton: 988,000
Ottawa: 956,000
Quebec City: 697,000
Winnipeg: 672,000

Toronto's reported number are for the agglomeration, taking in Hamilton and Oshawa. Montreal has no large peripheral cities to take in.

[HomeInMyShoes]

^Some of that is based on using actuals (oh my God, not real numbers...) from 2011.

[caltrane74]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Toronto's reported number are for the agglomeration, taking in Hamilton and Oshawa. Montreal has no large peripheral cities to take in.

Toronto - 6,345,000

Looks like just Oshawa is added into the count. Hamilton still on it's own.

Ham-Tor-Osh is just over/under 7 million.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Ottawa: 956,000

That's probably about what Ottawa is right now if you exclude the Gatineau side. If you include Gatineau, though, Ottawa has been at over a million for quite some time now... probably since 2000-ish.

[Beedok]

Let's get a skyline on this page.

[Chadillaccc]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

That's probably what Ottawa is right now if you exclude the Gatineau side. If you include Gatineau, though, Ottawa has been at over a million for quite some time now... probably since 2000-ish.

The Ottawa Urban Area population that you quoted does include part of the population of Gatineau, as when it was released, Ottawa's municipal population was only around 880 000. It would have to have included something on the other side on the river, since Ottawa's land mass is so large that nothing else on the Ontario side could possibly have been included. Not try to cause an argument, just trying to clarify. I believe the reason for the population discrepancy is that some areas of the city of Ottawa aren't included, because they don't connect continuously to the urbanity of the city due to the greenbelt, but inner portions of Gatineau do count because of the number of bridge connections and proximity to the inner city? Not totally sure. It's a weird measure when large rivers and greenbelts are involved.

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[MonkeyRonin]

Just downtown a bit by Paul Hillier Photography, on Flickr

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

The Ottawa Urban Area population that you quoted does include part of the population of Gatineau, as when it was released, Ottawa's municipal population was only around 880 000. It would have to have included something on the other side on the river, since Ottawa's land mass is so large that nothing else on the Ontario side could possibly have been included. Not try to cause an argument, just trying to clarify. I believe the reason for the population discrepancy is that some areas of the city of Ottawa aren't included, because they don't connect continuously to the urbanity of the city due to the greenbelt, but inner portions of Gatineau do count because of the number of bridge connections and proximity to the inner city? Not totally sure. It's a weird measure when large rivers and greenbelts are involved.

Oh, it's an urban area population? If so then it has to include Quebec, like you said. I thought it was a metro area number, in which case 960k for Ontario-only sounds just about right.

At least according to StatsCan, the urban area population for Ottawa includes all of urban Gatineau and the suburbs beyond the Greenbelt in Ontario, EXCEPT for Kanata/Stittsville which is considered a separate urban area (with a population of about 120k or so). The Greenbelt is wider there, which is why. Although it actually works for non-geographic reasons too in a way as Kanata is more economically independent than the other suburbs.

Oddly enough, StatsCan counts the rural village of Manotick as part of Ottawa's urban area--I suppose because the southern fringes of Barrhaven come close enough.

[softee]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Demographica (2014) knocks most Canadian cities down a peg on pop counts.
Ottawa/Gatineau and Edmonton are no longer in the millionaire club; Calgary makes it in, but has 100-150K less than the number usually posted around therse parts.

Vancouver: 2,182,000
Calgary: 1,131,000
Edmonton: 988,000
Ottawa: 956,000
Quebec City: 697,000
Winnipeg: 672,000

Toronto's reported number are for the agglomeration, taking in Hamilton and Oshawa. Montreal has no large peripheral cities to take in.

Those numbers are for urban area, not metro. For Toronto, they did add together the separate population centre figures for Toronto, Hamilton and Oshawa since it's all one continuous built-up area. I believe for Ottawa the number is for both Ontario and Quebec but excludes a few areas beyond the greenbelt on the Ontario side. The rest are all accurate as far as urban areas/population centres (not metros) go.

[softee]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Toronto - 6,345,000

Looks like just Oshawa is added into the count. Hamilton still on it's own.

Ham-Tor-Osh is just over/under 7 million.

That would be if you added the three CMAs together, demographia added the three population centres together.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Oh, it's an urban area population? If so then it has to include Quebec, like you said. I thought it was a metro area number, in which case 960k for Ontario-only sounds just about right..

Yes..I think in the 2011 un-official- official census, the Ottawa portion was around 960 with the Census figure for the metro being just under 1.25. This includes both sides..Gatineau by itself was around 300,000.

I read an (old now) stat that the Capital Region was close to 1.5 million people and includes all the borderline towns that just may or may not be counted in the next census depending on commuter patterns I guess...Towns like Carleton place, Arnprior, Kemptville and Rockland on the Ontario side, and who knows which ones on the Quebec side...There are dozens of these little hamlets on both sides..The Demographic experts at Stats Can get paid for sorting this stuff out though and should know what they are doing,so not going to call them out for it .ha.

[MolsonExport]

I've seen that 1.5M number bantered around lately. Seems about right if you take in the network of towns in the vicinity of Ottawa-Gatineau. Just the way (south) Central Canada is. Now, if Ottawa could get a skyline to match that number...

So we have the big three (Tor, Mtl, Van), the next three (Cal, O-G, Edm), and the next three (Q-C, Wpg, Ham), and the next two (K-W, Lon), and after that the next four (StCat, Hal, Vic, Wind), followed by the next three (Stoon, Reg, Sherb)

[Ashok]

Imagine, Quebec City - Montreal - Ottawa - Toronto - Windsor becomes a single continous urban zone? Maybe if there is a HUGE influx of migrants to Alberta, Edmonton-Calgary would be one big metropolitan area of like 8-9 million people.