The Great Canadian Skyline Thread!

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Why forget the metropolitan area? Philadelphia is a major part of the densely populated megalopolis on the continent. You are always claiming Montreal's metro area is 200 000 people bigger than it actually is (similar to me sometimes including Foothills MD with Calgary CMA), so why forget the CMA just to fit a momentary narrative?

True, Philly is a major megalopolis. But U.S metro areas are always bigger than they actually are, they just don't measure it the same way as we do in Canada. Some U.S cities have a population of 100,000 but a CMA of 500,000, how is that even possible?

By the way, Greater Montreal was 3,8M 3 years ago. So I think it's fair to assume it should be around 4M now.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Why forget the metropolitan area? Philadelphia is a major part of the densely populated megalopolis on the continent. You are always claiming Montreal's metro area is 200 000 people bigger than it actually is (similar to me sometimes including Foothills MD with Calgary CMA), so why forget the CMA just to fit a momentary narrative?

The city of Montréal has 1.7M+ , Philadelphia 1.55M

if Toronto is claiming the title of being the 4th largest city in North America, Montréal has the same right. If we exclude Mexico and Cuba, Montréal is the 6th largest city in USA-Canada, Philadelphia would be the 7th. In reality, Montréal has ~2M people, Denis Coderre is the boss of them all, even in the West-Island.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

True, Philly is a major megalopolis. But U.S metro areas are always bigger than they actually are, they just don't measure it the same way as we do in Canada. Some U.S cities have a population of 100,000 but a CMA of 500,000, how is that even possible?

By the way, Greater Montreal was 3,8M 3 years ago. So I think it's fair to assume it should be around 4M now.

Vancouver's 600k to 2.4 million ration isn't too far from 100k to 500k.

[Chadillaccc]

Prince's Island Skyline by Chadillaccc, on Flickr



Edit: Skahhigh, you are right that Montreal CMA has just surpassed 4 million this year, but GM says that it is 4.2 million on a very regular basis. Also, I of course know that American metros are measured differently than ours are, but we can't just change rankings to suit our interests, no matter how bad even I sometimes want to! Philedelphia's metro is actually measured much closer to the way ours are than most American cities, being that it is in a densely populated region so its metro geographic region isn't vast, as say Chicago's and Houston's are. Still, it is over twice the geographic size of Montreal's so it is overblown by comparison.

[RyLucky]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

The city of Montréal has 1.7M+ , Philadelphia 1.55M

if Toronto is claiming the title of being the 4th largest city in North America, Montréal has the same right. If we exclude Mexico and Cuba, Montréal is the 6th largest city in USA-Canada, Philadelphia would be the 7th.

When I googled "largest cities in North America", this was the top result:

Sorry, Toronto: No one cares that you're now the fourth-largest city in North America

[RyLucky]

Here's the wikipedia list of NA's largest "urban agglomerations".

Rank Name 2012 population 1950 population
1 Mexico Mexico City 19,411,000 2,883,000
2 United States New York City 18,718,000 12,338,000
3 United States Los Angeles 12,298,000 4,046,000
4 United States Chicago 8,814,000 4,999,000
5 Canada Toronto 6,312,000 1,068,000
6 United States Miami 5,434,000 622,000
7 United States Philadelphia 5,392,000 3,128,000
8 United States Dallas–Fort Worth 4,655,000 866,000
9 United States Boston 4,361,000 2,551,000
10 United States Houston 4,320,000 709,000
11 United States Atlanta 4,304,000 513,000
12 United States Washington 4,238,000 1,298,000
13 United States Detroit 4,034,000 2,769,000
14 Mexico Guadalajara 3,968,000 403,000
15 Canada Montreal 3,957,715 1,343,000
16 Mexico Monterrey 3,596,000 356,000
17 United States Phoenix 3,416,000 221,000
18 United States San Francisco–Oakland 3,385,000 1,855,000
19 United States Seattle 2,989,000 795,000
20 United States San Diego 2,852,000 440,000
21 Puerto Rico San Juan 2,605,000 451,000
22 United States Minneapolis–Saint Paul 2,556,000 996,000
23 Canada Vancouver 2,300,000 556,000
24 United States Tampa 2,252,000 300,000
25 United States Denver 2,239,000 505,000
26 United States Baltimore 2,205,000 1,168,000
27 Cuba Havana 2,189,000 1,147,000
28 United States Saint Louis 2,159,000 1,407,000
29 Haiti Port-au-Prince 2,129,000 133,000
30 Dominican Republic Santo Domingo 2,022,000 219,000
31 United States Cleveland 1,855,000 1,392,000
32 Mexico Puebla 1,824,000 227,000
33 United States Portland 1,810,000 516,000
34 United States Pittsburgh 1,806,000 1,539,000
35 United States Las Vegas 1,720,000 35,000
36 United States Riverside-San Bernardino, California 1,690,000 139,000
37 Mexico Tijuana 1,649,000 60,000
38 United States San Jose, California 1,631,000 182,000
39 United States Cincinnati 1,599,000 881,000
40 United States Sacramento 1,555,000 216,000
41 Mexico Toluca 1,545,000 54,000
42 Mexico Juárez 1,540,000 123,000
43 El Salvador San Salvador 1,517,000 194,000
44 Mexico León 1,481,000 123,000
45 United States Virginia Beach-Norfolk 1,460,000 391,000
46 United States Kansas City 1,437,000 703,000
47 United States San Antonio 1,436,000 454,000
48 United States Indianapolis 1,387,000 505,000
49 United States Milwaukee 1,361,000 836,000
50 United States Orlando 1,306,000 75,000
51 United States Providence 1,248,000 703,000
52 United States Columbus 1,236,000 441,000
53 Costa Rica San José 1,217,000 148,000
54 Panama Panama City 1,216,000 171,000
55 Nicaragua Managua 1,165,000 110,000
56 Canada Ottawa 1,156,000 282,000
57 United States Austin 1,107,000 137,000
58 Mexico Torreón 1,072,000 189,000
59 Canada Calgary 1,058,000 132,000
60 United States Memphis 1,053,000 409,000
61 Canada Edmonton 1,015,000 163,000
62 United States New Orleans 1,010,000 664,000
63 United States Buffalo 999,000 899,000
64 United States Bridgeport–Stamford 987,000 415,000
65 Guatemala Guatemala City 984,000 428,000
66 United States Jacksonville 961,000 246,000
67 Mexico Santiago de Querétaro 947,000 49,000
68 United States Charlotte 946,000 142,000
69 Mexico San Luis Potosí 946,000 132,000
70 United States Salt Lake City 943,000 230,000
71 Mexico Mérida 939,000 143,000
72 Honduras Tegucigalpa 927,000 73,000
73 United States Louisville 924,000 476,000
74 United States Hartford 894,000 425,000
75 United States Richmond 888,000 260,000
76 Mexico Mexicali 860,000 66,000
77 Mexico Aguascalientes 859,000 94,000
78 United States Nashville 848,000 261,000
79 Mexico Culiacán 812,000 49,000
80 United States Tucson 798,000 77,000
81 Mexico Tuxtla 788,000 28,000
82 United States Oklahoma City 773,000 278,000
83 Canada Quebec City 769,639 245,742
84 Mexico Acapulco 769,000 29,000
85 United States Dayton 754,000 350,000

[softee]

Urban area population according to Demographia:

Toronto - 6,345,000
Philadelphia - 5,530,000
Montreal - 3,471,000

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by RyLucky

When I googled "largest cities in North America", this was the top result:

Sorry, Toronto: No one cares that you're now the fourth-largest city in North America

lol, normal people who know nothing about what it means, but,... Toronto has the 2nd largest transit agency in North America, Montréal is 3rd. Montréal is aiming to be one of the top transit agencies in the world by 2020. Being a large city is important if you want to accomplish certain things (makes everything easier).

[Rico Rommheim]

Originally Posted by softee

Urban area population according to Demographia:

Toronto - 6,345,000
Philadelphia - 5,530,000
Montreal - 3,471,000

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Somebody needs to tell demographia to update their Montreal numbers.



I've only seen the Philly skyline once, and I thought it looked a lot more grandiose and impressive than Montreal. Philadelphia has always had a larger skyline than ours, Philly has always been a bigger city than Montreal. Let's get over that.

[softee]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

Somebody needs to tell demographia to update their Montreal numbers.

That figure is from the 2014 revision. Keep in mind that these figures are for just the continuously urbanized portion of the metros, not for the entire metropolitan area.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by softee

Urban area population according to Demographia:

Toronto - 6,345,000
Philadelphia - 5,530,000
Montreal - 3,471,000

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Philadelphia 11,988.6 km2
Montréal 4,258.31 km2
almost 3x larger,

the city of Philadelphia is growing slower than Montréal.

[Chadillaccc]

Note the term "URBAN AREA" not metropolitan area.

You just noted the geographic size of the respective metropolitan areas, while urban areas are an entirely different entity, measured differently.

The urban area of Philli is 4,660.5 km2

[softee]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Philadelphia 11,988.6 km2
Montréal 4,258.31 km2
almost 3x larger,

the city of Philadelphia is growing slower than Montréal.

According to Demographia's numbers:

Philly is 5,131 km2.
Montreal is 1,546 km2.
Toronto is 2,287 km2.

[1overcosc]

^ Wow. So Philly urban area as a whole is way less dense than Toronto urban area as a whole... but I think everyone knew that already.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by RyLucky

Here's the wikipedia list of NA's largest "urban agglomerations".

Rank Name 2012 population 1950 population
1 Mexico Mexico City 19,411,000 2,883,000
2 United States New York City 18,718,000 12,338,000
3 United States Los Angeles 12,298,000 4,046,000
4 United States Chicago 8,814,000 4,999,000
5 Canada Toronto 6,312,000 1,068,000
6 United States Miami 5,434,000 622,000
7 United States Philadelphia 5,392,000 3,128,000
8 United States Dallas–Fort Worth 4,655,000 866,000
9 United States Boston 4,361,000 2,551,000
10 United States Houston 4,320,000 709,000
11 United States Atlanta 4,304,000 513,000
12 United States Washington 4,238,000 1,298,000
13 United States Detroit 4,034,000 2,769,000
14 Mexico Guadalajara 3,968,000 403,000
15 Canada Montreal 3,957,715 1,343,000
16 Mexico Monterrey 3,596,000 356,000
17 United States Phoenix 3,416,000 221,000
18 United States San Francisco–Oakland 3,385,000 1,855,000
19 United States Seattle 2,989,000 795,000
20 United States San Diego 2,852,000 440,000
21 Puerto Rico San Juan 2,605,000 451,000
22 United States Minneapolis–Saint Paul 2,556,000 996,000
23 Canada Vancouver 2,300,000 556,000
24 United States Tampa 2,252,000 300,000
25 United States Denver 2,239,000 505,000
26 United States Baltimore 2,205,000 1,168,000
27 Cuba Havana 2,189,000 1,147,000
28 United States Saint Louis 2,159,000 1,407,000
29 Haiti Port-au-Prince 2,129,000 133,000
30 Dominican Republic Santo Domingo 2,022,000 219,000
31 United States Cleveland 1,855,000 1,392,000
32 Mexico Puebla 1,824,000 227,000
33 United States Portland 1,810,000 516,000
34 United States Pittsburgh 1,806,000 1,539,000
35 United States Las Vegas 1,720,000 35,000
36 United States Riverside-San Bernardino, California 1,690,000 139,000
37 Mexico Tijuana 1,649,000 60,000
38 United States San Jose, California 1,631,000 182,000
39 United States Cincinnati 1,599,000 881,000
40 United States Sacramento 1,555,000 216,000
41 Mexico Toluca 1,545,000 54,000
42 Mexico Juárez 1,540,000 123,000
43 El Salvador San Salvador 1,517,000 194,000
44 Mexico León 1,481,000 123,000
45 United States Virginia Beach-Norfolk 1,460,000 391,000
46 United States Kansas City 1,437,000 703,000
47 United States San Antonio 1,436,000 454,000
48 United States Indianapolis 1,387,000 505,000
49 United States Milwaukee 1,361,000 836,000
50 United States Orlando 1,306,000 75,000
51 United States Providence 1,248,000 703,000
52 United States Columbus 1,236,000 441,000
53 Costa Rica San José 1,217,000 148,000
54 Panama Panama City 1,216,000 171,000
55 Nicaragua Managua 1,165,000 110,000
56 Canada Ottawa 1,156,000 282,000
57 United States Austin 1,107,000 137,000
58 Mexico Torreón 1,072,000 189,000
59 Canada Calgary 1,058,000 132,000
60 United States Memphis 1,053,000 409,000
61 Canada Edmonton 1,015,000 163,000
62 United States New Orleans 1,010,000 664,000
63 United States Buffalo 999,000 899,000
64 United States Bridgeport–Stamford 987,000 415,000
65 Guatemala Guatemala City 984,000 428,000
66 United States Jacksonville 961,000 246,000
67 Mexico Santiago de Querétaro 947,000 49,000
68 United States Charlotte 946,000 142,000
69 Mexico San Luis Potosí 946,000 132,000
70 United States Salt Lake City 943,000 230,000
71 Mexico Mérida 939,000 143,000
72 Honduras Tegucigalpa 927,000 73,000
73 United States Louisville 924,000 476,000
74 United States Hartford 894,000 425,000
75 United States Richmond 888,000 260,000
76 Mexico Mexicali 860,000 66,000
77 Mexico Aguascalientes 859,000 94,000
78 United States Nashville 848,000 261,000
79 Mexico Culiacán 812,000 49,000
80 United States Tucson 798,000 77,000
81 Mexico Tuxtla 788,000 28,000
82 United States Oklahoma City 773,000 278,000
83 Canada Quebec City 769,639 245,742
84 Mexico Acapulco 769,000 29,000
85 United States Dayton 754,000 350,000

#20 + #37 would actually crack the top ten as a single continuous urban agglomeration and would still be geographically smaller than many of the MSAs in there (like #8 DFW for example).

[MolsonExport]

the usual dewooting.

[Beedok]

I wasn't trying to start a huge demographics battle.

[GreaterMontréal]

US metro areas are so large, you need a plane to go downtown.

[1ajs]

not the best as im missing a chunk but still a nice silouet with the ledge and the tower crane cmhr and hydro

[Martin Mtl]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

Somebody needs to tell demographia to update their Montreal numbers.



I've only seen the Philly skyline once, and I thought it looked a lot more grandiose and impressive than Montreal. Philadelphia has always had a larger skyline than ours, Philly has always been a bigger city than Montreal. Let's get over that.

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