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Old Posted Oct 9, 2014, 4:00 AM
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Looks like I'll be sitting this election out. This will be the first election in memory where the circumstances compel me to not bother voting.

If I was in a different ward, I would, but not where I'm living now.

As for the White fellow, I can sympathize too. I once had a sure-fire, high paying job snatched away from me (I was doing it on a part time contract before, with great feedback) because the union changed the eligibility for the full-time position at the last minute.

I didn't speak French, so I wasn't even eligible to apply for the job I had already performed. Boom - my skills were instantly worthless, and I was out of work.
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Sympathize with Robert White if you will, but reading through his answers his attitude is more to blame for his situation than anything else. Why would anyone running for mayor insult his own community calling it a backwater city? He also makes it sound like he has been held captive as an unwilling resident ever since his father was "poached [x] from Bay Street in Toronto". He shows no loyalty or pride and I would not hire him if he asked me for a job. He should look in the mirror before blaming everything else around him.

Boohoo, he doesn't speak French, but I know so many people who can barely speak English but have overcome far worse obstacles to succeed because of their positive attitude and drive. "I'm too broke to have a relationship" is just about the lamest and most pathetic excuse I have heard — lots of people are proudly single by choice, and people on welfare get married. I have a feeling Mr. White the curmudgeon will be whinging where ever he ends up.

I'm casting my vote today, and although no candidate is perfect, I just want to make sure crackpots like him or Maguire are not handed the reins.
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Looks like I'll be sitting this election out. This will be the first election in memory where the circumstances compel me to not bother voting.

If I was in a different ward, I would, but not where I'm living now.

As for the White fellow, I can sympathize too. I once had a sure-fire, high paying job snatched away from me (I was doing it on a part time contract before, with great feedback) because the union changed the eligibility for the full-time position at the last minute.

I didn't speak French, so I wasn't even eligible to apply for the job I had already performed. Boom - my skills were instantly worthless, and I was out of work.
I know it's cliche but... if you're not going to vote, please don't bother complaining.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2014, 10:48 PM
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I know it's cliche but... if you're not going to vote, please don't bother complaining.
That's bull! Just because someone doesn't vote doesn't mean they don't have the right to complain or criticize the government or other people. That's not how democracy works - and democracy is not just/ solely voting. It's not about voting for crappy politicians or candidates that will screw you over and not represent your views, so much as having the right to have your say on issues, which can be expressed in more ways (and better) than voting. Democracy would mean the citizens in Ottawa would have an actual say in what's happening, that even if their councillor isn't taking a stand on the issues they care about they can stand up and voice it and participate in discussions. Instead, we get people who go around blowing smoke up our asses to get elected and than do nothing about it (or perhaps never cared about it and won't address it). Often, they choose to pay attention to a portion of the population that largely agrees with them, letting other voices fall on deaf ears.

But while we have a right to run on our own platform, not everyone is as privileged or well-suited to become politicians. Not only that, if we don't get elected over another person who is to say our issues are ever going to be listened to? What if I ran and said I'd run on a pro-development, great architecture/design platform that is typically opposed by people in Ottawa and I don't get elected because people want a councillor who would limit development to short buildings in neighbourhoods that benefit those currently living there and get bland buildings, what would you say, "Oh, well, you tried and others had their say. Your concerns will be ignored because the tribe has spoken that they don't like you."? Even if I lost my voice and those that support development should still be listened to - but that's not usually how politics works.

What we have is not a democracy, and a democracy is not defined by voting. If I choose not to vote, I have every right to complain, criticize, voice my concerns as per my democratic rights.

But perhaps you should explain your thought-process on how you came to the conclusion that non-voters cannot (don't have the right to) complain.

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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 1:10 AM
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I can understand if someone may choose not to vote if it is clear that the results are predictable. Especially at this level where in some cases there are acclamations or a token candidate runs just to make it a contest. I am not aware of the specific ward or riding for S-man.

I voted today at an advance poll and casted a rebellion vote against the status quo. For councillor there were two candidates that were obvious contenders and I voted for niether.

Similarly for Mayor, although I agree with some of the mayor's positions I casted a vote for a non contender. So does this make me holier then thou by casting what I figure to be a wasted vote because I voted? Does this make my action any different then someone who choses not to vote when the results are predicable or for the particular ward is pointless?

FYI, I live in a high rise so was conveneintly able to vote in the lobby before I got in the elevator to go home. Not everyone has that convenience.
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That's bull! Just because someone doesn't vote doesn't mean they don't have the right to complain or criticize the government or other people. That's not how democracy works - and democracy is not just/ solely voting. It's not about voting for crappy politicians or candidates that will screw you over and not represent your views, so much as having the right to have your say on issues, which can be expressed in more ways (and better) than voting. Democracy would mean the citizens in Ottawa would have an actual say in what's happening, that even if their councillor isn't taking a stand on the issues they care about they can stand up and voice it and participate in discussions. Instead, we get people who go around blowing smoke up our asses to get elected and than do nothing about it (or perhaps never cared about it and won't address it). Often, they choose to pay attention to a portion of the population that largely agrees with them, letting other voices fall on deaf ears.

But while we have a right to run on our own platform, not everyone is as privileged or well-suited to become politicians. Not only that, if we don't get elected over another person who is to say our issues are ever going to be listened to? What if I ran and said I'd run on a pro-development, great architecture/design platform that is typically opposed by people in Ottawa and I don't get elected because people want a councillor who would limit development to short buildings in neighbourhoods that benefit those currently living there and get bland buildings, what would you say, "Oh, well, you tried and others had their say. Your concerns will be ignored because the tribe has spoken that they don't like you."? Even if I lost my voice and those that support development should still be listened to - but that's not usually how politics works.

What we have is not a democracy, and a democracy is not defined by voting. If I choose not to vote, I have every right to complain, criticize, voice my concerns as per my democratic rights.

But perhaps you should explain your thought-process on how you came to the conclusion that non-voters cannot (don't have the right to) complain.
As Kitchissippi said, no candidate is perfect. I think everyone has a responsibility to consider the candidates and vote for the one who they feel most closely represents their point of view.

If you don't like any of the candidates, there are opportunities to get involved.

If you're going to just take your ball and go home, fine. You have the right to, sure. But it's difficult to take your concerns about the direction of the city seriously if you're going to check out at election time.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 2:37 AM
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New / old issue affordable housing:

I am probably going out on a limb here and may be ignorant of my assumptions but since this is a municipal election and this website is a about planning, developement and infrastructure and generally making Ottawa a better place to live.

It seems to me that politicions talk alot about affordable housing. "Mixed use developements should have an affordable housing component". I believe Mayor Watson has pledged $2 million for affordable housing.

Has any proposal for affordable housing ever included an ownership component? Is it always rental?

I believe it has always been rental. Why can't we as citizens of Ottawa not promote affordable housing with no bells and whistles. Not everyone needs stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops. Why not build basic residential accomodation for ownership. As a renter there is no insentive to to take pride in making a rental unit better or invest in basic renovations to increase the value as the proceeds go to the landlord.

Is it possible within the given building code/market to build basic accomodation for a lower financial demographic geared towards ownership? If someone has a basic unit over 10 or 15 years can they invest to increase the value?

I might be on a different planet in my thinking but I inherited a family cottage that was originally a vacant lot purchased for $1500 by my parents and through two generations and still in the family is now worth $300k with on going investments. Maybe a poor example but can basic affordable housing on cheap land in the suburbs be built for 100K or 150K market value and 10 or 15 years later through a hard working family become something worth 250K. Thinking basic row housing or perhaps basic urban lofts/ artists lofts or condos closer to downtown.

Is this possible? Afforable housing that includes an ownership option not just rental housing is something that as far as I know has never been proposed or discussed. For the inner city I'm thinking CFB Rockcliff, Tunneys pasture, the remainder of Lebretton Flats or even the Domtar lands(probably not location is too good).

Trade off density rights for afforable housing with an ownership component. The trade off could include afforable housing in a completly different location due to the location and the value of the land.

Feedback much appreciated or wishful thinking.

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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 2:47 AM
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Not voting means you don't care who wins and you are defaulting your decision to those that do. I did just that for school board trustee as I don't have kids. Throwing your vote on a non-contender is sort of the same thing, but you have to contend with the possibility of that person winning — what if a whole lot of people had the same idea? Like a Rob Ford scenario.

It doesn't mean you can't complain, much as the ones who voted for a losing candidate won't have more of a right to complain — we all have the same right to complain if the person don't perform. That's how you'll decide to cast a ballot in the next election.
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New / old issue affordable housing:

I am probably going out on a limb here and may be ignorant of my assumptions but since this is a municipal election and this website is a about planning, developement and infrastructure and generally making Ottawa a better place to live.

It seems to me that politicions talk alot about affordable housing. "Mixed use developements should have an affordable housing component". I believe Mayor Watson has pledged $2 million for affordable housing.

Has any proposal for affordable housing ever included an ownership component? Is it always rental?

I believe it has always been rental. Why can't we as citizens of Ottawa not promote affordable housing with no bells and whistles. Not everyone needs stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops. Why not build basic residential accomodation for ownership. As a renter there is no insentive to to take pride in making a rental unit better or invest in basic renovations to increase the value as the proceeds go to the landlord.

Is it possible within the given building code/market to build basic accomodation for a lower financial demographic geared towards ownership? If someone has a basic unit over 10 or 15 years can they invest to increase the value?

I might be on a different planet in my thinking but I inherited a family cottage that was originally a vacant lot purchased for $1500 by my parents and through two generations and still in the family is now worth $300k with on going investments. Maybe a poor example but can basic affordable housing on cheap land in the suburbs be built for 100K or 150K market value and 10 or 15 years later through a hard working family become something worth 250K. Thinking basic row housing or perhaps basic urban lofts/ artists lofts or condos closer to downtown.

Is this possible? Afforable housing that includes an ownership option not just rental housing is something that as far as I know has never been proposed or discussed. For the inner city I'm thinking CFB Rockcliff, Tunneys pasture, the remainder of Lebretton Flats or even the Domtar lands(probably not location is too good).

Trade off density rights for afforable housing with an ownership component. The trade off could include afforable housing in a completley different location due to the location and the value of the land.

Feedback much appreciated or wishful thinking.

It's definitely possible to build owned affordable housing. There's actually a developer who focuses exactly on that sort of thing: Options for Homes. They've built a number of projects in Toronto, Kingston, and I believe Waterloo Region as well, but have yet to come to Ottawa.

They build cheap housing by doing the following:
-No profits. They see themselves as a charity not a business whose mission is to provide home ownership for the poor. They charge only what's needed to break even
-No sales centres on site. They rent cheap basement offices and sell out of those instead
-No marketing. The rely entirely on social media, word of mouth, and free news coverage from local papers
-No frills construction. Carpet floors, basic appliances, no building amenities.
-Acquire land cheaply by picking undesirable sites or taking advantage of brownfield grants

Their latest Kingston project sold one-bedrooms for just $120k which even in Kingston is very cheap.

What's cool is despite the low cost model they still generally aim to pick decent locations. Most of their Toronto projects are within walking distance of subway stations, and that Kingston project I mentioned is in the downtown core and two blocks from Kingston Transit's downtown bus hub. This means that generally buyers have the opportunity to gain from appreciation, too.
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I agree with always voting... even if you are fed up with the establishment candidates who are likely going to win, check out the other platforms and vote for the person with the best ideas... although....it may be hard this year in the mayoral election if you don't want to vote Watson and aren't right wing.

Looking forward to potentially having ranked ballots in the next election and internet voting in Ottawa.
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I didn't think that so few people would run - last time there were twenty plus.

Will probably have to spoil ballot this time around.
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Sympathize with Robert White if you will, but reading through his answers his attitude is more to blame for his situation than anything else. Why would anyone running for mayor insult his own community calling it a backwater city? He also makes it sound like he has been held captive as an unwilling resident ever since his father was "poached [x] from Bay Street in Toronto". He shows no loyalty or pride and I would not hire him if he asked me for a job. He should look in the mirror before blaming everything else around him.

Boohoo, he doesn't speak French, but I know so many people who can barely speak English but have overcome far worse obstacles to succeed because of their positive attitude and drive. "I'm too broke to have a relationship" is just about the lamest and most pathetic excuse I have heard — lots of people are proudly single by choice, and people on welfare get married. I have a feeling Mr. White the curmudgeon will be whinging where ever he ends up.

I'm casting my vote today, and although no candidate is perfect, I just want to make sure crackpots like him or Maguire are not handed the reins.
You should listen to Robert White whenever he calls into CFRA (even before he registered as a mayoral candidate). My impression of him is that he's got nothing to say, but doesn't stop him from saying it.
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New library passes for vision in Ottawa

Andrew Cohen, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 14, 2014, Last Updated: October 14, 2014 7:49 PM EDT


Jim Watson supports a new central library. The time has come to build a new one, he declares, and a public-private partnership is the way to do it.

In Ottawa, this is news. Lord, it’s even contentious. That it is an issue among the mayoralty candidates says something about this city and the limits of its ambition.

Watson says the new library must be “a community asset” and “value for taxpayers,” as “a central information, innovation and gathering hub” to “support entrepreneurs.” His announcement says nothing about what a library actually means to a community.

Nothing about a library as an architectural statement, a catalyst for remaking a listless downtown. Nothing about a library as a cathedral of curiosity, the most democratic of institutions, where souls are fed and minds are formed.

Astonishingly, the mayor is promising what another mayor promised back in 2001. And Watson’s big reason for a new library now is that the Stalinist pillbox on Metcalfe Street is “inaccessible.”

That’s true, but it is just one of the many reasons Canada’s fourth-largest city needs a new central library. For the mayor, though, a library is an entry on the city’s ledger, to be built only if it pleases the private sector – and delivers value for taxpayers.

This is how politicians talk in 2014. This is what passes for leadership. And this is the dead hand that sits on the national capital, from all levels of government, making it pleasant and safe but dull and mediocre.

Mayor Watson is honest, diligent and tireless. He is decent and progressive. The city seems to be his life – and he gives himself to it, every day, magnificently and magnanimously. No one cares more about public service.

But his view of the library is consistent with virtually everything he does. Whether it’s light rail with no station at Confederation Square or the redevelopment of Lansdowne Park with no international design competition, he can never summon much imagination.

That makes him perfect for Ottawa, which imagination left some time ago. Jim Watson’s Ottawa remains a city without an idea of itself. Institutionally, it is simply unable to think big. It is always about value, not values.

Inspiration lives somewhere else. This failure of vision not only retards a real central library, which every big city in Canada already has. It afflicts transit, parks, cycling, buildings, the arts.

Richard Florida drops into Ottawa and reads from his script. Richard Florida seems to know next to nothing about Ottawa; if he did, he would know his “creative class” here is more a contented class. It is educated, wealthy and transitory, and uninterested in creating anything bold.

So we put up with councillors beholden to developers. And more minor but telling things, like spending months – years, perhaps – repairing Sussex Drive. What other city would turn its ceremonial mile into Beirut? Would Berlin or London not order overtime to get it done more quickly?

This is not all the mayor’s fault. He is not the reason that federal buildings sit empty – the Government Conference Centre, the Canada and the World Pavilion, the former War Museum, the former U.S. Embassy – year after year.

He is not the reason that the Canadian Science and Technology Museum is closed and crumbling. Or that Canada cannot build a national portrait gallery. Or that we do not know how to make the Ottawa River and the Rideau Canal more interesting.

That’s the federal government, which ignores Ottawa, unwilling to make it a capital worthy of a rich, big country.

Ottawa needs a civic revolution but does not know how to start one. It could begin, though, by electing bright people to council like the estimable Tobi Nussbaum, who has thought about what Ottawa could be. If Nussbaum wins in Rideau-Rockcliffe Ward, watch him run for mayor in four years.

For now, though, Jim Watson has no real opposition. Everything’s fine in the capital of complacency.

Andrew Cohen is a professor of journalism and international affairs at Carleton University. Email: [email protected]

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Our messy Ottawa election should spawn a new way of voting

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 14, 2014, Last Updated: October 14, 2014 3:30 PM EDT


Ottawa’s got several city council races this fall in which our old way of voting will probably make a hash of the results and a new kind of ballot would help a lot.

Premier Kathleen Wynne wants cities to have the option of ranked-choice voting by the next election in 2018. The trick is convincing politicians chosen the old way to agree to the new way. In a month, we’ll probably have a bunch of object lessons in why they should.

In downtown Somerset, where longtime councillor Diane Holmes is retiring, voters are blessed with 11 candidates, of whom five are plainly capable of doing the job. The situation is similar in Innes, which veteran Rainer Bloess is vacating. The winners will probably be chosen with a third of the votes at most.

In other wards, incumbent who might be vulnerable could have their jobs saved by split opposition.

In Rideau-Rockcliffe, Peter Clark won with barely a quarter of the vote in 2010 and has three or four credible challengers. In Rideau-Vanier this year, one-term incumbent Mathieu Fleury is being challenged by the well-organized campaign of former Lowertown Community Association president Marc Aubin — but you can’t walk through the ward without being struck by how many signs are up for communications consultant Catherine Fortin-Lefaivre.

It’s similar in Kitchissippi, where incumbent Katherine Hobbs is up against the ex-president of the Hintonburg Community Association Jeff Leiper but neighbourhood activist Michelle Reimer is giving it her all, too.

Reimer has become enough of a force that she was targeted a couple of weeks ago by letters telling her supporters to ditch her and vote for Leiper because he’s the only candidate who can take Hobbs out. It was as direct as can be: “Voting for Michelle will split the vote and guarantee Hobbes [sic] wins.”

Leiper denounced the letters and we’ll probably never know who sent them or exactly why. But with ranked votes, such an argument would get nowhere. People who support Reimer could vote for her first without worrying that they were “really” voting for Hobbs by taking their votes away from Leiper, or vice-versa.

Making a choice that way is called strategic voting. Actually, it’s more blind-shot voting, based on guesses about what several thousand other people might do, including vote strategically themselves. It might be strategic if you have a PhD in game theory.

Sitting politicians are reluctant to fool with the system. (Jim Watson opposes changes, for instance.) It expressed the people’s wisdom in electing them, didn’t it? The last time somebody had the nerve to experiment with a change, when Dalton McGuinty launched a reform commission that suggested a move to proportional representation in 2007, voters rejected the idea.

What the commission proposed was a bit complicated, though: electing two kinds of MPPs, some through the first-past-the-post district elections we’re used to and some through party lists.

The ranked-vote idea is simple. If you can count up to about four, you can manage the ballot.

Well, it should be simple. In truth, even people whose business is to pay attention to such things can be confused.

At a debate last week, Hobbs said she’s skeptical of ranked-choice voting because — stay with me on this — in a three-way race with two fairly popular but deeply opposed candidates (let’s call them Katherine and Jeff), the third candidate (Michelle) could get elected if she’s the second choice of a lot of people who can’t stand one of the popular ones.

This is wrong. That less-popular candidate would come last and get knocked off. The winner would be whichever of Katherine or Jeff that Michelle’s supporters liked better. Or maybe, maybe, Michelle is actually the most popular candidate and would win, if only people didn’t vote for somebody else because they’ve “strategically” written her off.

What the ranked-vote system eliminates is the prospect that a surprisingly unpopular candidate gets elected, which is the result our current system barfs up quite often. If we see that on Oct. 28, our newly inaugurated councillors should make a priority of changing it for 2018.

For more on the election, go to ottawacitizen.com/tag/ottawa-votes.

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What is ranked-choice voting?

You get a ballot and mark your first, second, third choices (and beyond, if there are enough candidates and you want to) before dropping it in the box or the electronic reader.

At the counting stage, if no one candidates gets more than 50 per cent of the first-place votes, whoever comes last is dropped from the list and his or her supporters’ ballots are redistributed to their second-choice candidates. This repeats till somebody gets a majority, and that person wins. The city bought new balloting machines for this election that are supposed to be able to handle the counting automatically.

It’s like an instant version of the way political parties choose leaders, without the long waits and multiple ballots and deal-making in between. The idea is to choose a candidate who most people can at least live with, if not love.

It’s also called preferential voting or instant-run-off voting, and it’s a simple example of a group of voting methods called single transferable votes. Variations are used in Britain, Ireland, Australia, and in a few places in the United States.

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columni...lection-should-spawn-a-new-way-of-voting
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My bigger concern is if I can even vote at all.... I receive 4 (FOUR!) separate letters from the Ottawa Elections Commission, which appeared to be voter registration cards. Trouble was... none of them were addressed to myself.
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You don't need a card to vote. That applies to every election. Just show up with your drivers license and you can vote. I move a lot and have happened to change my address right before the election, for every single election since 2011 (the municipal one, the past two provincial ones, and the last federal one), so every single time my card went to the wrong place (and yes, I changed my address each time, but there seems to be a 1 or 2 month delay before that actually does anything).
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