Because of all the changes here is a look at all the changes for the upcoming winter scheds:
Mostly gains across the board offset by some reductions... here's hoping I haven't missed anything.
INTERNATIONAL
AIR CANADA
ICN UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 01 MAR
HKG UPGAUGE TO HD 77W FOR ENTIRE WINTER PERIOD
NRT UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 15 DEC
PVG UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 26 OCT
PEK UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 01 FEB
LHR UPGAUGE TO HD 77W FOR ENTIRE WINTER PERIOD
SYD UPGAUGE TO 77W FROM 77L
SIMILAR SEASONAL ADJUSTMENTS AS IN PRIOR YEAR
AIR CHINA
PEK FREQUENCY REDUCED TO 7 WEEKLY FROM 11 WEEKLY, BUT UPGAUGED TO 77W FROM 332
AIR TRANSAT
1 ADDITIONAL FLIGHT PER WEEK REPLACING SMALLER ENERJET WEEKLY FLIGHT
ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS
HND **NEW** DAILY 763
CHINA AIRLINES
TPE DOWNGUAGED TO 343 FOR MOST OF WINTER, LAST WINTER 744 WAS USED FOR PEAK PERIODS
CHINA EASTERN
PVG REDUCED TO 7 WEEKLY FROM 12 WEEKLY FOR PEAK LAST WINTER. HOWEVER, RESTORES BACK TO 2 DAILY 29 MARCH.
CHINA SOUTHERN
CAN DOWNGAUGE FROM 77L TO 788
EVA AIR
TPE INCREASES TO 4 WEEKLY FROM 3 WEEKLY 744
JAL
NRT DOWNGUAGE FROM 763 TO 788
LUFTHANSA
FRA BASICALLY 744 FOR ENTIRE WINTER WITH SHORT PERIODS OF 346.
SAME SEASONAL ADJUSTMENTS AS IN PRIOR YEAR
PHILIPPINE AIR LINES
MNL INCREASES FROM 7 WEEKLY TO 11 WEEKLY – MIX OF 77W AND 343
QANTAS
SYD **NEW** 6 744 FLIGHTS IN JANUARY 2015
SUNWING
3 ADDITIONAL FLIGHTS PER WEEK. NEW ROUTES TO PUJ, FPO AND ZLO
TRANSBORDER
AIR CANADA
HNL - rouged - 1 daily 763 (up from 6 weekly 763 mainline)
OGG - rouged - 1 daily 763 (up from 6 weekly 763 mainline)
LAS - rouged - 3 weekly 763 and 10 weekly 319 (up from 1 daily mainline 320)
LAX - rouged - 1 daily 763 and 2 daily 319 (up from 4 daily E90s)
PSP **NEW** - 3 weekly rouge 319
PHX **NEW** - daily rouge 319
SFO - rouged - 3 daily 319 (up from 3 daily mainline E90s)
ALASKA
LAX - increase in capacity due to 739s on most flights
AMERICAN
LAX **NEW** - 2 daily CR9s
DELTA
LAX **NEW** 2 daily effective 6 January 2015. 1 daily from 18 December. E75s
MSP - up 2 weekly to 14 weekly E75s
SLC - down 4 weekly to 7 weekly until mid Feb 2015 then returns to 11 weekly
SEA **NEW** - 4 daily CR7
PHILIPPINE AIR LINES
JFK **NEW** 4 weekly 343 effective March 2015
UNITED
Various changes every few weeks. Overall very little change from last year. More 320/739 flying compared to more 319 flying last year.
IAH - down 1 weekly to 7 weekly
SFO - increases to 5 daily for 3 weeks over the peak Xmas period (more Express flying during this period)
WESTJET
PSP - increases by one weekly over the peak winter period. Westjet seems to have put the brakes on transborder capacity this winter.
Last edited by Johnny Aussie; Oct 10, 2014 at 8:50 PM.
Thx Johnny. Looks like YVR's growth is set to continue this winter. Still sceptical the JFK tag by PR will be successful, esp with CX entrenched on the route (and I know which airline I'd choose to fly...).
Thx Johnny. Looks like YVR's growth is set to continue this winter. Still sceptical the JFK tag by PR will be successful, esp with CX entrenched on the route (and I know which airline I'd choose to fly...).
Same. Especially if they use an old A340 clunker.
A lot of the changes (like AC's 788 upgrades) will of course carry into next summer too along with additional Transat, Edelweiss and the new KIX route. But au revoir Virgin.
Just confirmed with YVR...... I figured why not ask.
YVR does not count FBO passengers in the monthly passenger traffic figures they report. Obviously their passenger totals would be higher if they did include them.
Not sure how other Canadian airports report FBO passengers.
I noticed that in 2015, Qantas is starting service to not only Hong Kong, but also to LAX and JFK .... and this is just out of Brisbane !! (the northernward latitude is part of the equation, I admit.)
From Melbourne, United and Qantas do LAX only.
From Sydney, theres LAX, SFO, and DFW, but JF'K is being discontinued.
Gee, I'd give anything to see Qantas back here, year round, as it was once was, long ago .....
I noticed that in 2015, Qantas is starting service to not only Hong Kong, but also to LAX and JFK .... and this is just out of Brisbane !! (the northernward latitude is part of the equation, I admit.)
From Melbourne, United and Qantas do LAX only.
From Sydney, theres LAX, SFO, and DFW, but JF'K is being discontinued.
Gee, I'd give anything to see Qantas back here, year round, as it was once was, long ago .....
When I last United to Australia I cam back on United from Melbourne but it was a tag on from Sidney.
Vancouver Airport Terminal isn't large or sprawling enough to warrant a people mover, is it? Or is it?
It is sprawled enough if you consider the south terminal (the old terminal building) is still in use and served by shuttle bus. Though I don't think there is a large volume of transfers between the two areas.
It must be getting close. I'm not sure they factor the moving walkways into the walking times...
Plus, in my experience, there frequently seem to be people who do not know how to use the moving walkways! They jump aboard and just stand there - to be wisked away... Blocking those in a hurry!
Here is what the IATA has to say about walking distances:
Quote:
Another widely used planning guideline is provided by IATA (International Air Transport Association 2004), which suggests a maximum passenger walking distance of between 820 and 985 feet (250 and 300 meters) unaided and up to 2,133 feet (650 meters) with moving walkways.
It must be getting close. I'm not sure they factor the moving walkways into the walking times...
Plus, in my experience, there frequently seem to be people who do not know how to use the moving walkways! They jump aboard and just stand there - to be wisked away... Blocking those in a hurry!
Here is what the IATA has to say about walking distances:
Around the world it blows my mind some of the distances I have to walk.
YVR pales in comparison. Looking at the YVR map shows really the longest time from security would be less than 10 mins and connecting under 20 mins. Obviously as YVR grows they can improve this even more but in reality it's not bad at all.
There is a general correlation between the larger the airport and the distances having to walk. Even airports with a lot of moving sidewalks like SIN (and trains), BKK and PEK (and trains) actual walking times can be really long.
So some people will always say "I prefer to connect at airport XXX" because distances are shorter. Of course they are at smaller airports :-)
Most useless moving sidewalk I've experienced is SYD Virgin Terminal they have one that goes maybe 15 metres. Ha.
Because of all the changes here is a look at all the changes for the upcoming winter scheds: WESTJET
PSP - increases by one weekly over the peak winter period. Westjet seems to have put the brakes on transborder capacity this winter.
But:
"...[Westjet] Encore hopes to double its fleet of 14 Bombardier Q400 turboprops by 2016 and is already adding to its nearly 100 flights per day to 18 destinations, mainly in Western Canada.
A route was recently added between Thunder Bay and Toronto. Eastern service will be introduced in the coming months to Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Fredericton and American destinations from both ends of Canada are set to be added by 2016....."
"...[Westjet] Encore hopes to double its fleet of 14 Bombardier Q400 turboprops by 2016 and is already adding to its nearly 100 flights per day to 18 destinations, mainly in Western Canada.
A route was recently added between Thunder Bay and Toronto. Eastern service will be introduced in the coming months to Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Fredericton and American destinations from both ends of Canada are set to be added by 2016....."
Disappointed to see AC's nasty HD 777 stay on LHR year round. A great reason to fly through YYC!
I'm surprised about the plane swap on the SYD flight, I thought the 77L was needed to carry a decent amount of cargo, and that the 77W would have to go out weight restricted with empty seats? Where are they using the 77L?
Quote:
Craig Richmond was taking flying lessons before he was old enough to drive and became an Air Force pilot by age 20. He spent 11 years in operations at YVR before taking over the running of airports in Liverpool, Cyprus and the Bahamas, returning to YVR last summer. Every airport is a gateway from here to there, and Richmond has been pushing the idea that YVR needs to capitalize on its geographic location in a different way. There’s money to be made in being a so-called “holding pen” for transit passengers. A Chinese airline has already committed to keeping two jumbo jets in Vancouver as a base—which means hundreds of jobs for maintenance, support and flight crew, if his idea comes to pass.
My Big Idea
"YVR should be a transit hub between China and South America."
Sao Paulo to Vancouver to Shanghai—it’s almost a perfectly straight line. We are in a very fortunate geographic place. There’s mining in Santiago. Who needs to get there? Everyone, especially the Chinese. Break it down this way: 200 people arrive from China, 75 get off here, 125 continue down to Chile and 40 people from Vancouver get on board. Transit without visas has been around for a long time but it used to be a horrible experience. Also, there were concerns that people would claim refugee status when they landed—but do you know how many we’ve had? Zero. They’re not here to jump ship; they’re here to get to a place where it’s convenient to have a stop in Canada. Middle Eastern hubs have taken 15 per cent of the traffic, and you learn that the transportation business is like water: people go wherever it’s easy to go, and we’ve been losing out. [QUOTE/]........................................
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Lima and Santiago are are closer to China by YVR than by YYZ, about the only two cities that are. São Paolo is about 200 miles longer via YVR than YYZ,
and whether the fuel costs would rule out a Vancouver run or not is anyone's guess.
Neverthess, if nothing else, a route into Lima is something to be sought after,
as that city, and its new, modern airport, is apparently the "N.W. Gateway" into South America.
Interestingly São Paolo is closer to HK via DBX than over the Pacific. Most other Chinese cites, east of the critical line of longitude, have a
shorter haul over the Pacific, and if YVR continues to atttract flights from second-tier (still huge) cities in China, the the yields for airlinks Craig Richmond talks of just might be there.
Lots of travel between South America and US for two reasons, a) its easier to get a visa to the US then Canada, B) more importantly, lots of shopping vacations to US locations with low taxes because most South American countries have very high import and VAT taxes. So the question is why have Vancouver as a hub? It just does not make any sense. Go with a airport in western America. Also as far as Canada is considered Toronto is a better hub for South America in general and is a hub for Sao Paulo for Air Canada. And better yet for asia, it makes sense to go through Dubai. I am not a expert but these are my questions / concerns.
p.s. the opposite side of the world for Sao Paulo is just south west of the southern end of Japan, thats why its a toss up between heading west or east from China / Japan to get to South America.
*The opposite side of the world for Vancouver is in the southern Indian ocean about a thousand km's from the shores of Port-aux-Francais.
Disappointed to see AC's nasty HD 777 stay on LHR year round. A great reason to fly through YYC!
I'm surprised about the plane swap on the SYD flight, I thought the 77L was needed to carry a decent amount of cargo, and that the 77W would have to go out weight restricted with empty seats? Where are they using the 77L?
They have adjusted the MTOW of the 77W so not as big an issue. Yeah, I remember when the YVR-SYD route commenced and they used the 77W for the first few months until the 77L was available. It was heavily restricted then. Not as big an issue now but still not 100% unrestricted.
AC is flipping a/c all over the place! 77L is now on YYC-FRA for the winter replacing the 333.
Lots of travel between South America and US for two reasons, a) its easier to get a visa to the US then Canada, B) more importantly, lots of shopping vacations to US locations with low taxes because most South American countries have very high import and VAT taxes. So the question is why have Vancouver as a hub? It just does not make any sense. Go with a airport in western America. Also as far as Canada is considered Toronto is a better hub for South America in general and is a hub for Sao Paulo for Air Canada. And better yet for asia, it makes sense to go through Dubai. I am not a expert but these are my questions / concerns.
p.s. the opposite side of the world for Sao Paulo is just south west of the southern end of Japan, thats why its a toss up between heading west or east from China / Japan to get to South America.
*The opposite side of the world for Vancouver is in the southern Indian ocean about a thousand km's from the shores of Port-aux-Francais.
This seems to have been discussed a lot. Simple. Vancouver is small compared to other potential South America - Asia hubs. Limited O&D between YVR and South America. Yes, there is the potential for maybe very limited services but I wouldn't expect to ever see anything more than a few flights per week to maybe LIM, SCL, EZE, GRU (for example). I think people just need to accept YVR is not a huge unlimited market. So many options to get to South America as it is. Having said that, I was surprised at how big the YVR-Brazil market is.
Last edited by Johnny Aussie; Oct 7, 2014 at 9:24 PM.
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Gee, I'd give anything to see Qantas back here, year round, as it was once was, long ago .....
Blocking those in a hurry!
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