YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Joyce also hinted that the airline’s ‘trial’ of Sydney-Vancouver flights slated for January 2015 could continue throughout the year.

“Sales have been extremely good, and we are very confident this will be very successful” he told Australian Business Traveller.

That's good to hear. I am a bit surprised that sales are that good so early... A general question: I wonder if this increased demand for travel to Canada from Australia due to Qantas marketing, or, are natives just opting to fly Qantas direct to YVR in place of other airlines/routes? My other question is: Is there year-round demand? I would guess yes by the stats, as Q3 is busiest, but the market is mostly leisure.


According to the CTC, Australia is a core market for international travel to Canada. Some background:

Canada welcomed 219,000 overnight travellers from Australia in 2012, an increase of 1.6% over 2011. The majority came during Q2 (28.3%) and Q3 (38.1%).

Pleasure travel accounted for nearly 62% of all overnight trips from Australia, the highest proportion of pleasure travel among CTC’s key overseas markets.

In 2012, British Columbia (138,000 visits, +0.9%) remained the most popular province among Australian travellers, while Ontario (61,500 visits, -8.3%) and Alberta (46,600 visits, -22.1%) declined.

source: http://en-corporate.canada.travel/research/statistics-figures/year-review-facts-figures

[SFUVancouver]

I wonder if I can ask for some assistance: I recall reading a news article relatively recently announcing that a new health care training & research facility would be built on Sea Island and adjacent to the BCIT Aerospace Campus. For the life of me, I cannot find the article again and I cannot recall enough details (type of health care, the agency behind it, the year it will open, value, etc.) to be able to successfully search for it. Does anyone recall this? Could anyone link to the news article? Thanks in advance!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

That's good to hear. I am a bit surprised that sales are that good so early... A general question: I wonder if this increased demand for travel to Canada from Australia due to Qantas marketing, or, are natives just opting to fly Qantas direct to YVR in place of other airlines/routes? My other question is: Is there year-round demand?

AC is doing very well on the route. BITRE (The Australian Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics) publishes very detailed statistics on routes, carriers etc. Following AC they have one of the highest LFs in and out of Australia quite consistently. There are seasonal patterns though. And cargo is doing well. Eg. More cargo carried between SYD and YVR than ICN (on pax aircraft) despite there being two daily flights to ICN (one 333 and one 77L)

Here is an example of the detailed stats published monthly.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/files/International_airline_activity_1406.pdf

And yeah, surprised to hear that sales so strong already. Maybe they sold 15 seats when expecting to sell only 12 in the first week of sales. LOL.

In any event it sure made for a lot of discussion down under as it caught us off guard! So awareness was huge.

[Johnny Aussie]

Have been waiting to see an "official" announcement / press release from PAL.

Still nothing... however, this was just published yesterday.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/pal-launches-more-us-flights/

Interview with new CEO and Chairman.

Excerpts/Highlights:

PAL will have full traffic rights between Vancouver and New York.

The New York service will have the added benefit of boosting PALs Canadian operation. From March 15 the current daily service between Manila and Vancouver will spike to 11 flights weekly with three departure times from Manila mid-afternoon, early evening and late evening providing wider schedule choices to passengers.

Manila-Toronto will add a fourth weekly frequency, increasing capacity on this long-haul route in time for the peak-summer travel period out of Manila.

The second last paragraph was what I was waiting to hear about. I was expecting them to drop the standalone YVR-MNL flights. Sounds like these flights will stay. PAL goes to 19 flights per week out of YVR (up from 10) of which 15 can board pax at YVR (up from 7).

Full Schedule:

PR126 MNL2350 – 2050YVR2250 – 0700+1JFK 343 x135
PR127 JFK1100 – 1350YVR1520 – 2035+1MNL 343 x246

PR118 MNL1500 – 1200YVR1330 – 2110YYZ 77W x246
PR119 YYZ2240 – 0105+1YVR0220+1 – 0735+2MNL 77W x246

PR116 MNL1900 – 1600YVR 77W 246
PR117 YVR2315 – 0105+2MNL 77W 246

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And yeah, surprised to hear that sales so strong already. Maybe they sold 15 seats when expecting to sell only 12 in the first week of sales. LOL.

In any event it sure made for a lot of discussion down under as it caught us off guard! So awareness was huge.

LOL, yeah re: seats - you never know, but puts things in perspective

Thanks for the link!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And yeah, surprised to hear that sales so strong already. Maybe they sold 15 seats when expecting to sell only 12 in the first week of sales. LOL.

In any event it sure made for a lot of discussion down under as it caught us off guard! So awareness was huge.

QF75 on Jan 3, 2015



Still lots of seats up for grab

Seems like they sold only 20 seats on that flight (14 in Economy, 3 Premium Economy, 3 Business)

[craneSpotter]

Have August 2014 stats been put up here yet? Here they are anyway (Enplaned and Deplaned):

Total Passengers - 2,086,481 (+8.0%)

Domestic - 1,079,507 (+8.2%)
International (incl TB) - 1,006,974 (+7.7)
(Transborder - 510,057 +9.1%)

YTD: 13,238,277 (+8.1%)

[Johnny Aussie]

^ Needs a bit more fanfare me thinks! ;-)

Incredible results.

First month overall smashing through 2 million.
First month domestic smashing through 1 million.
First month international (incl TB) smashing through 1 million.
First month transborder smashing through half a million.
Best month ever in each category except miscellaneous int'l of course.

Increase in pax compared to Aug 2013 - this really shows the huge growth:

Overall up 153,800
Domestic up 81,600
Transborder up 42,800
Asia Pacific up 20,500
Europe up 8,200
Misc int'l up 700

YTD just shy of 1,000,000 more pax than 2013 as well... thought I would throw that in.

And cargo up 13.3%

Even the little South Terminal squeeked out a tiny gain!

[trofirhen]

I wonder when we'll hit the 20 million pax / year mark? If not this year, then surely next, at this rate. Or am I wrong on that?

[LeftCoaster]

For a while it looked like we could squeak in this year but it looks like we will be in the mid 19s if the current pace stays. Provided next year is even just decent 20 million will be easily attainable.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

For a while it looked like we could squeak in this year but it looks like we will be in the mid 19s if the current pace stays. Provided next year is even just decent 20 million will be easily attainable.

Looking forward to winter and next summer already the amount of additional capacity being added is mind-blowing. Transborder and Asia Pacific primarily.
The int'l capacity to Europe lost by Virgin Atlantic has already been recovered with the two additional Transat flights and the additional Edelweiss weekly flight.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Have August 2014 stats been put up here yet? Here they are anyway (Enplaned and Deplaned):

Total Passengers - 2,086,481 (+8.0%)

Domestic - 1,079,507 (+8.2%)
International (incl TB) - 1,006,974 (+7.7)
(Transborder - 510,057 +9.1%)

YTD: 13,238,277 (+8.1%)

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ Needs a bit more fanfare me thinks! ;-)

Incredible results.

First month overall smashing through 2 million.
First month domestic smashing through 1 million.
First month transborder smashing through half a million.
Best month ever in each category except miscellaneous int'l of course.

Increase in pax compared to Aug 2013 - this really shows the huge growth:

Overall up 153,800
Domestic up 81,600
Transborder up 42,800
Asia Pacific up 20,500
Europe up 8,200
Misc int'l up 700

And cargo up 13.3%

Even the little South Terminal squeeked out a tiny gain!

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looking forward to winter and next summer already the amount of additional capacity being added is mind-blowing. Transborder and Asia Pacific primarily.
The int'l capacity to Europe lost by Virgin Atlantic has already been recovered with the two additional Transat flights and the additional Edelweiss weekly flight.

Hey Johnny could you repost August's stats and your recap into the Canadian Airport thread? I tried with no luck. This growth is just massive and im not sure its second to any Canadian city currently.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Hey Johnny could you repost August's stats and your recap into the Canadian Airport thread? I tried with no luck. This growth is just massive and im not sure its second to any Canadian city currently.

Done.
So who is #1, #2, #3 etc.....
YEG now separates what they call "Terminal" and "FBO." The FBO numbers are what really are pushing them up. I am not sure where YVR records these because YVR separates "Main" Terminals from the "South" Terminal. I cannot imagine the FBO's being recorded in the South Terminal stats as it seems too low. However, I don't see why they would record that in the main domestic figures either as that would be inconsistent. In any event, the FBO portion at YVR is not nearly as significant as YEG or YYC but not sure how everyone else records it. YEG is definitely recording these as separate. So it depends how you look at it. YEG int'l growth in % is incredible but when you look at the actual pax numbers it's only an additonal 8,000 pax per month (July and August). Add a few 757s a week to KEF and some additional sun flights and voila 45% growth!

[Denscity]

^^^ Cheers Johnny thanks!!

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ Needs a bit more fanfare me thinks! ;-)

Incredible results.

First month overall smashing through 2 million.
First month domestic smashing through 1 million.
First month international (incl TB) smashing through 1 million.
First month transborder smashing through half a million.
Best month ever in each category except miscellaneous int'l of course.

Increase in pax compared to Aug 2013 - this really shows the huge growth:

Overall up 153,800
Domestic up 81,600
Transborder up 42,800
Asia Pacific up 20,500
Europe up 8,200
Misc int'l up 700

YTD just shy of 1,000,000 more pax than 2013 as well... thought I would throw that in.

And cargo up 13.3%

Even the little South Terminal squeeked out a tiny gain!

Yes, more fanfare needed for sure, thanks! I knew it was the first month over 2M PAX, but not the other points

And continuing this growth over the winter and into next summer would be great!

[Genauso]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YTD just shy of 1,000,000 more pax than 2013 as well... thought I would throw that in.

And cargo up 13.3%

Wow, passengers have been great, but I think cargo being up 13.3% is even better. That's 83% of SeaTac's August volume, up from 78% of SeaTac's volume in July. It'll be interesting to see the situation evolve as Prince Rupert grows as a sea, air, and rail cargo nexus.

[trofirhen]

Given that it was stated that travelling from Piers A & B at YVR, over to the International terminal would be a long haul, would it be possible to have a tunnel connector, as they do at numerous airports, the example here being Detroit Metropolitan? Or will our existing moving sidewalks suffice?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/DTW_aerial.jpg/220px-DTW_aerial.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...Detroit.jpg/220px-LightTunnelDetroit.jpg

Maybe YVR doesn't warrant anything like this. Then again, maybe it does. I'll let the experts determine the answer, if there is one.

[teriyaki]

IMO, our walkway system is a lot more enjoyable. Granted, it might not be the absolute fastest way to get from one side to the other. I hate it when I have to get into a dark empty tunnel to transfer terminals like many terminals in the US.

I think a tram, or shuttle is the best for inter-terminal connectivity.

[moosejaw]

IMO tunnels will hurt retail sales that would be made if pax were connecting through the terminals as opposed to U/G

Id imagine you would get some sort of pushback from tenants if this option were to considered. A tram network is expensive and its cost is usually absorbed by the airlines directly (Seattle, Miami, Detroit) Not sure about DFW. I cant see Westjet or AC doing that soon.

[Gordon]

I think part of the Pier A/B Connector project is an extension of the over head walkway system.