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Old Posted Oct 3, 2014, 2:40 PM
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I'm not a Leiper supporter (or any of the candidates for that matter), but I doubt that these accusations are true. He hasn't been supportive of Claridge or this project at any height, and is understandably displeased that this section was outside the scope of the CDP, where he wanted 6-storey buildings along main streets. This is just slander to discredit him.
Not quite true about building heights, I'm afraid:

June 27, 2013, one month before the first public meeting in the community:
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The Hintonburg Community Association is still examining the proposal but will probably ask the city to make it closer to 30 storeys, said Jeff Leiper, the organization’s president.
http://www.obj.ca/Real-Estate/Residentia...e-proposes-39-storey-tower-on-Somerset/1

July 11, 2013, still 2+ weeks before the community meeting:
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While Leiper also agreed with the low parking capacity (representing one vehicle space for every two units - the lowest the city can allow), he asked Malhotra - and will continue to advocate for - a drop in building height to a maximum of 30 storeys.
http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/3888694-39-storey-tower-proposed-for-somerset/

A stance he confirmed had been his position on August 29, 2013, a month after the community meeting:
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"What I've heard is that a building of 30 storeys, which I'd originally thought might be acceptable, won't enjoy much support. I think we have to wait for the moment, see what planning staff says and how Claridge responds ... but we have seen that anything over 23 storeys would be contentious."
http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-...afts-a-stance-on-1040-somerset-proposal/

Now, I don't personally have a problem with 30 storeys here, but to say he was always opposed to a high-rise here is demonstrably false.

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Old Posted Oct 3, 2014, 2:46 PM
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Are any candidates pushing for rural secession?
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2014, 3:08 PM
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Ah, Kitchissippi. Every 4 years a new candidate is swept into office in that ward, usually from a community association, because they claim they'll veto everything and make everyone's dreams come true. Things get built/done because they don't have that power (and they know it, but want a councillor's salary), and they get booted out at the next election by people who shouldn't have been so naïve as to believe them.
Do you actually have any proof for any of this, or do you just like making stuff up about the ward?

The incumbent councillor came from nowhere on a carpet of developer donations and very little in-ward financing.

The councillor before her was from the Westboro BIA.

And the councillor before her was the late Shawn Little, who had first been elected in the ward in 1997 and held it continuously until he resigned prior to the 2006 election.

So basically your claim of "every 4 years a new candidate is swept into office in that ward, usually from a community association" is utter and complete nonsense.
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2014, 7:31 PM
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Not quite true about building heights, I'm afraid:

June 27, 2013, one month before the first public meeting in the community:
http://www.obj.ca/Real-Estate/Residentia...e-proposes-39-storey-tower-on-Somerset/1

July 11, 2013, still 2+ weeks before the community meeting:
http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/3888694-39-storey-tower-proposed-for-somerset/

A stance he confirmed had been his position on August 29, 2013, a month after the community meeting:
http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-...afts-a-stance-on-1040-somerset-proposal/

Now, I don't personally have a problem with 30 storeys here, but to say he was always opposed to a high-rise here is demonstrably false.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to say he wanted this building to be 30 floors without considering the context. We know Leiper is championing the CDP at the 6-9 storey height limits throughout the ward, and we know that he was not at all pleased that 1040-1050 Somerset were somehow not included in the area belonging to the cdp. But considering that he knew the HCA would not get succeed in getting the project reconsidered as a 6storey building, especially in light of the 23floor neighbour, I think he supported the building at a lower height that I'm sure he was more confident would be more amenable and likely to be accepted.

I think the reason he supported the current height was because he felt it more realistic than asking for his preferred height.
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2014, 8:07 PM
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I think it's a bit disingenuous to say he wanted this building to be 30 floors without considering the context. We know Leiper is championing the CDP at the 6-9 storey height limits throughout the ward, and we know that he was not at all pleased that 1040-1050 Somerset were somehow not included in the area belonging to the cdp. But considering that he knew the HCA would not get succeed in getting the project reconsidered as a 6storey building, especially in light of the 23floor neighbour, I think he supported the building at a lower height that I'm sure he was more confident would be more amenable and likely to be accepted.

I think the reason he supported the current height was because he felt it more realistic than asking for his preferred height.
That's a lot of assumptions.
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2014, 8:22 PM
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Sorry, Dado, you are correct on those bio's. BTW, you're not running for council, are you?

Anyway, politics are funny. Everyone runs on not being the previous guy/girl. People believe things will thus be 100% different, after all, it's a different person! The cycle continues on and on.

In all the wards where an incumbent is being challenged, what are the actual ideas from the opposition? If I have to head "I'll do things differently than (so and so)", I'll puke.

Translation: "I am a different person. Don't you hate that person over there? So bad. Tsk, tsk. Pick me, and that person will be replaced by me - and I love all of your ideas and will advocate for you personally all day."

(Until it happens, anyway)

So much time spent demonizing other people for things that would probably have happened anyway under their own watch.

I'm clearly jaded by all levels of politics but this council election has been the nastiest in my own memory.
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2014, 11:36 PM
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Sorry, Dado, you are correct on those bio's. BTW, you're not running for council, are you?
No I'm not. Should I be?

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Anyway, politics are funny. Everyone runs on not being the previous guy/girl. People believe things will thus be 100% different, after all, it's a different person! The cycle continues on and on.

In all the wards where an incumbent is being challenged, what are the actual ideas from the opposition? If I have to head "I'll do things differently than (so and so)", I'll puke.

Translation: "I am a different person. Don't you hate that person over there? So bad. Tsk, tsk. Pick me, and that person will be replaced by me - and I love all of your ideas and will advocate for you personally all day."

(Until it happens, anyway)

So much time spent demonizing other people for things that would probably have happened anyway under their own watch.

I'm clearly jaded by all levels of politics but this council election has been the nastiest in my own memory.
I certainly share that sentiment.

I found this year's provincial election utterly devoid of, well, anything, really, and I'm dreading next year's federal election for the same reason.
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No I'm not. Should I be?
Why not? I sure as hell couldn't do it, though - ugh! (I have entertained fantasies of doing it on a lark, in a "here's the real deal..." Bullworth style, though)
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2014, 12:02 AM
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Why not? I sure as hell couldn't do it, though - ugh! (I have entertained fantasies of doing it on a lark, in a "here's the real deal..." Bullworth style, though)
I've had that same fantasy.

I was watching the live tweeting of the EcoOttawa (?) debate last week and basically Watson is getting a free ride since he has no challengers who (1) show up to debates, (2) live here and (3) aren't perennially angry about green bins, debt and property taxes.
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Ditch long-term LRT plans in favour of commuter rail, Maguire says

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: September 29, 2014, Last Updated: September 29, 2014 6:18 PM EDT


Mayoral candidate Mike Maguire presented his transit plan Monday, the really big policy distinguishing him from incumbent Jim Watson. Here’s the rundown.

The premise

The city’s “Phase 2″ plan to extend light rail in all directions makes good transportation sense but at $3 billion, it’s much too expensive and relies on funding from the federal and provincial government we might not get, Maguire says. Add increasing electricity costs and following through on Phase 2 would mean “economic devastation,” in his view.

So Maguire has a rail alternative that’s much less ambitious and would serve a lot fewer people, but would also be a lot less expensive.

“Let’s utilize something we already have, because it’s an amazing asset,” Maguire says. If everything went smoothly (with no political problems or long studies), he says the first trains could be running in as little as a year.

What’s different about it

Rather than building new rail lines that take direct routes and include multiple stations, Maguire’s plan would rely heavily on existing tracks and each line would have just a couple of stops — if Phase 2 would be a replacement for Transitway bus services, Maguire’s vision is more like a rail version of express-bus service. His stated goal is to take cars off the Queensway and major arterial roads. “This is not a solution to all of our transit woes,” Maguire says. “This is a solution … to get bulk traffic out of Orléans and Kanata.”

Where it would go

Primarily through lightly populated industrial areas (that’s where existing train lines are) to the edges of suburban communities. The heart of the network would be the north-south O-Train line from Bayview station to a junction just north of the airport. From there, trains would head northwest to the Kanata North Research Park, southwest to a park-and-ride lot at Strandherd Drive in Barrhaven, south to a park-and-ride at Earl Armstrong Road in Riverside South (with a spur to the airport) and northeast along a meandering route to Orléans. Maguire’s map has words on it saying the line would go to Place d’Orléans but the map itself shows the line ending at Innes and Tenth Line, well to the south.

Maguire's rail plan:


Only the Orléans route would require laying new track, on an existing right-of-way the city owns. The other routes would require track upgrades and agreements with owners like Via Rail to let the city share their tracks.

Maguire would also fix up the Prince of Wales Bridge across the Ottawa River for a Gatineau connection, though how it would be used would depend on a deal with Gatineau.

Who it would be for

Commuters travelling between outside-the-Greenbelt suburbs and major inside-the-Greenbelt job centres on predictable schedules. The suburban ends would be anchored by park-and-ride lots. Maguire’s calculations assume his lines would each run four trips each morning and evening, not all day. Assuming each 200-passenger train were full, the service would carry 3,200 riders into and out of downtown, for a total of 6,400 rides a day.

What it would cost

Maguire says his plan would cost $205 million to build and equip; that’s a back-of-the-envelope estimate based on average costs of a kilometre of track and simple outdoor stations, not detailed engineering work. So he’s added $150 million in contingency funds to produce a price of $355 million. He’d ask the federal and provincial governments to pay for it all, seeking $180 million from each of them, much less than the city would seek for the Phase 2 LRT plan.

The tricky parts

With Bayview as the main hub where all the Maguire trains would end up, every trip to the downtown core would require a transfer to the light-rail system the city is building now.

Since it would be explicitly commuter-oriented, this system wouldn’t be of any use to people who want to live centrally and without cars. It’s more like Toronto’s far-flung GO Train system than its TTC subways.

Making it reality would require solving some problems the city has previously found insurmountable, like working out the logistics of an airport spur and getting national freight carriers’ agreement to let city passenger trains share their tracks (there’s not much in it for them except risk). The logistics of running trains in two directions on single lines are also daunting.

“Everything we do will require multiple levels of negotiation,” Maguire says. “You don’t say ‘I quit.’ “

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Absolutely terrible plan! Where do I start? Here's a good place: "Add increasing electricity costs and following through on Phase 2 would mean “economic devastation,” in his view". Because the cost of diesel does not and will not ever go up!

What else? Well, the fact that the suburban stations (other than Barrhaven) are at the least accessible edges of the respective suburban community.

Oh, and what about the HUGE detour to get downtown. And your still not downtown by the end of it.

And the rails serving soothing but greenbelt and parking lots.

Last but not least, he expects 6,400 riders a day for 355 million, or 53,125$ per user. Compare that to Watson's Stage 2, at 3 billion, likely serving 300,000 people per day. The plan serves the urban area, encourages density and transit usage all day, everyday and comprises of a direct route with few transfers to nearly all of the biggest employment centres.

McGuire's plan would cost 53,125$ per user.
Watson's plan would cost 10,000$ per user. Seems to me Watson's plan makes much more economic sense. Way more bang for your buck.
Watson's plan
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I went down to city hall today to vote for Mayor and Councillor. (acclamation for education trustee) One of the agents working was commenting that there had been a steady stream of early voters since Wednesday. Regardless of the results, here's hoping a healthy percentage of eligible voters take the time to turn up at their ballot stations.
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That's a lot of assumptions.
Perhaps, and it's possible that maybe he is in cahoots with Claridge, but unless we are given some documented proof that he struck a deal, I'm doubtful.
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I've had that same fantasy.

I was watching the live tweeting of the EcoOttawa (?) debate last week and basically Watson is getting a free ride since he has no challengers who (1) show up to debates, (2) live here and (3) aren't perennially angry about green bins, debt and property taxes.
Watson NEARLY gets a free ride. Not completely, but close to it. Have I voted for him, or would I? Nope. Not because I don't agree with many elements of his platform/governance, I do, but I have other issues with his style of leadership and governance - mainly, his fierce aversion to challenge the status quo in many areas while pandering to special interest groups (see the taxi issue for a taste of that). Basically, I loathe those who fear speaking on issues that might label them 'politically incorrect'. That's politicking, and I hate it.

This isn't to say I would I vote for his direct opponent - I wouldn't, because I'm a centrist. Because it's (so far) been practically a coronation for Watson (more this time than last), I always go for an also-ran candidate who ISN'T a nutjob.

Let's hope that one of those exists this time around!
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Goodbye Rob!

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Ottawa votes: Elect me or I'm leaving 'this backwater,' mayoral candidate warns

Norman Provencher, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 8, 2014, Last Updated: October 8, 2014 12:01 PM EDT


Will he stay or will he go?

Ottawa mayoral candidate Robert White has left the decision up to the voters: “If I am not elected I will move away from this backwater of a city.”

White’s unusual campaign promise comes at the end of his response to a Citizen questionnaire sent to all candidates for mayor and council. The question reads: Are you married or in a long-term partnership? Kids? How old are you?

White, 54, uses the question to expound on his problems finding steady work in his field of mechanical engineering over the past 30 years. This, in turn, has prevented him from getting married or having children, he explains.

“I have lived in abject poverty for most of my adult life and would not ever get married without first having the funds to do so,” his answer reads.

His lack of bilingualism has also been an issue, he says.

But he’s apparently ready to put this behind him if elected mayor.

Here is White’s complete answer:

“I’m 54 and single due to a lack of funds to get married or have children. I have lived in abject poverty for most of my adult life and would not ever get married without first having the funds to do so. Ottawa has been a very poor place to find employment for myself and others throughout the last thirty years. Mechanical Engineering positions in Ottawa have not been forthcoming with my credentials. A lack of bilingualism has thwarted much of my working life in this area. If I am not elected I will move away from this backwater of a city.”

To see all of White’s answers, as well as those of the other mayoral candidates, visit: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/9999-mayor-wood-profile

For more municipal election coverage, visit ottawacitizen.com/tag/ottawa-votes

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...g-this-backwater-mayoral-candidate-warns
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^ Very cringeworthy...
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^ Very cringeworthy...
I hope he's started packing his bags.

And Maguire's LRT plans are truly lol worthy. He does realize that those tracks go out to the middle of nowhere, right?

It seems more like he just wants the city to have some kind of commuter rail in name, just to tick a checkbox, but not in function.
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Robert White is more extreme than Maguire?
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Sort of. I can't keep track of all of them, but basically everybody other than Watson are all hard right CFRA/Ottawa Sun style. Maguire, Wood, White, etc. Sayed is the exception, no idea where he stands, he just seems too clueless on everything.

I find it interesting that there's no opposers to Watson from the left. As much as people like Maguire or White would like to believe, Watson's not really a left-winger. He's actually quite fiscally conservative, just moderately so. Just wasn't in the cards this time, I guess.

Have we ever had an election like this, where the only people opposing the incumbent mayor are on the political fringes?

That said at least the council races are engaging this time round. Aside from the decent number of open seats, there's also several really competitive races between the incumbent and a strong challenger:
-Hobbs vs. Leiper in Kitch
-Fleury vs. Aubin in Rideau-Vanier
-Taylor vs. Cullen in Bay
-Not too familiar but I get the impression that there's another tight race in Kanata North as well

The 2018 mayoral race might be a little more engaging. If elected to council, I can see figures like Aubin, Cullen, or Patton running for mayor. Though all three are definitely far from the Ottawa mainstream. Aubin too inner city, Cullen too left, Patton too right.
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Goodbye Rob!
More like BYEEEEE FELICIA
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^ Very cringeworthy...
I actually sympathize a bit with him.

I've got degrees in economics and planning (and am bilingual too) but getting hired here without experience and without connections is nearly impossible. I could well see that if that goes on for 30 years I'd probably be a bit unhinged as well.

I imagine that seeing questions about being in a long term relationship and having children probably didn't help - and aren't exactly relevant to being mayor, either.

And frankly I probably will move away from Ottawa. I'm helping my parents finish renovating their place but after that, I don't think I'll be staying. I just can't decide whether to west to Alberta or BC or east to England or even Europe (I can generally read Dutch, so Belgium and the Netherlands are options).

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Watson NEARLY gets a free ride. Not completely, but close to it. Have I voted for him, or would I? Nope. Not because I don't agree with many elements of his platform/governance, I do, but I have other issues with his style of leadership and governance - mainly, his fierce aversion to challenge the status quo in many areas while pandering to special interest groups (see the taxi issue for a taste of that). Basically, I loathe those who fear speaking on issues that might label them 'politically incorrect'. That's politicking, and I hate it.

This isn't to say I would I vote for his direct opponent - I wouldn't, because I'm a centrist. Because it's (so far) been practically a coronation for Watson (more this time than last), I always go for an also-ran candidate who ISN'T a nutjob.
Those two paragraphs summarize my thoughts as well.

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Let's hope that one of those exists this time around!
Well if they do, I'm having a hard time identifying them.

Here's the list: http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/your-city-government/elections/mayor

Bernard Couchman
http://www.bernardcouchman.ca
-> Is unfit for office (apparently didn't know when the election was)

Mike Maguire
http://www.mikeformayor.ca
-> Can't vote for him

Rebecca Pyrah
https://twitter.com/RebaforMayor
-> I think she's a Carleton University student and from her Twitter profile she supports MOvember, but can't find anything else on her, and she hasn't tweeted since the 11th of September

Michael St. Arnaud
-> No info at all

Anwar Syed
http://www.anwarsyed.ca
-> Not impressed with his lack of knowledge of how the city operates

Jim Watson
http://www.JimWatson.ca
-> Won't vote for him

Robert White
-> Sympathize with his situation, but don't like his policies, such as they are from his answers

Darren W. Wood
http://www.darrenwood.org
-> A somewhat more websavvy version of Mike Maguire, so no

So, what, Rebecca Pyrah then?


Damn, I should have run.
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