YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 318

Johnny Aussie · #**6341** Posted **Sep 15, 2014, 8:58 PM**

Article in BIV (Business in Vancouver) about BC airlines riding a resource / tourism boom. Good read.

http://www.biv.com/article/20140909/BIV0...ing-high-on-resource-boom-tourism-upturn

Kapten · #**6342** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 1:28 AM**

Air Canada Rouge begins non-stop service to Osaka.

See http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1411918/...al-flights-from-vancouver-to-osaka-japan

casper · #**6343** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 1:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kapten

Air Canada Rouge begins non-stop service to Osaka.

See http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1411918/...al-flights-from-vancouver-to-osaka-japan

Cool.... Air Canada and ANA are adding a lot of capacity to Japan from Canada.

Hopefully it eventually goes year round. What may also work in the future is have Osaka as a stop over and then have same aircraft service onto India.

casper · #**6344** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 1:52 AM**

Short term peek return to Vancouver ......

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-customers-pack-their-bags-for-vancouver

Johnny Aussie · #**6345** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 2:17 AM**

^^

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

... also got a little hint at a possible rouge surprise for next summer.... nothing confirmed yet but perhaps soon.

And there you have it!! .... there may be more surprises to come... Ooh la la!

Johnny Aussie · #**6346** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 2:21 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper

Short term peek return to Vancouver ......

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-customers-pack-their-bags-for-vancouver

Wow... That came out of left field. Only 6 return trips but hey... It's a start! And more 744 action.

I was thinking perhaps Jetstar extends its SYD-HNL 788s to YVR... Just a thought!

Coldrsx · #**6347** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 2:30 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper

Cool.... Air Canada and ANA are adding a lot of capacity to Japan from Canada.

Hopefully it eventually goes year round. What may also work in the future is have Osaka as a stop over and then have same aircraft service onto India.

Wicked, duly noted.

Klazu · #**6348** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 2:57 AM**

Wow, great news there! Why cannot Qantas fly their A380 here at least once, just to tease us.

I really hope they will return more permanently.

Amazing news about Osaka as well. YVR represents!

Klazu · #**6349** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 3:03 AM**

Okay, time for some photos in between. I was in Richmond yesterday and the weather was superb. Actually it was so warm that the air was vibrating like on a hot summer day!

Float plane terminal.

Air Canada 767 (I think) taking off.

Followed by AC 777.

Terminal construction

YVR panorama

Am I the only one who thinks that the airport Fairmont is one butt-ugly building?

Denscity · #**6350** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 3:19 AM**

So another 747, another airline, and another international city added this week. Go YVR GO!!

deasine · #**6351** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 5:52 AM**

As I suspected as part of the Westjet-Qantas agreement, Qantas is set to fly to Vancouver, thereby finally once again challenging the AC monopoly.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly-to...medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Edit: whoops this post posted significantly later for whatever reason.

trofirhen · #**6352** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 5:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

As I suspected as part of the Westjet-Qantas agreement, Qantas is set to fly to Vancouver, thereby finally once again challenging the AC monopoly.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly-to...medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Too bad it's so short-lived. I'd love to see Qantas back at YVR year-round.

nname · #**6353** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 6:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Short term peek return to Vancouver ......

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-customers-pack-their-bags-for-vancouver

QF75 arrives Vancouver on Sat, Wed at 9:45
QF76 leaves Vancouver on Sun, Thu at 23:45

The plane will stay in Vancouver for 38 hours each time it got here?

Johnny Aussie · #**6354** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 10:02 AM**

So with KIX going 5 weekly....

that gives 2 weekly flights available to go somewhere else. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 weekly NGO added as well.... Or perhaps??

deasine · #**6355** Posted **Sep 17, 2014, 1:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

QF75 arrives Vancouver on Sat, Wed at 9:45
QF76 leaves Vancouver on Sun, Thu at 23:45

The plane will stay in Vancouver for 38 hours each time it got here?

Luckily the cost of parking relative to many North American airports is comparatively affordable, though QF also needs to compensate staff for such long layovers (bare in mind though the flights are pretty long which would require longer breaks under Australian labour laws I think).

QF also doesn't have too much choice. The 747 is the only suitable aircraft to deploy to YVR. They only have that, or the A380. Their limited fleet restricts the ability to open gateways with sustained frequency (you can see where I stand with QF and their 777 vs. A380 debate). And to prevent a sudden flood of capacity in the market, thereby significantly lowering yields, QF can only deploy a 747 in a low frequency. The issue here is that it is much harder for QF to compete against AC which would runs a daily 777 operation (and last year during the winter, ran a 10-weekly flight).

There's undoubtedly demand for flights from Canada to Australia, before 2012, Australians had the most passengers travelling to Canada excluding Americans. But back then QF didn't have the right fleet nor the right partnerships in place to make a SYD-YVR route sustainable (I would also not the right management either...).

casper · #**6356** Posted **Sep 17, 2014, 5:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Luckily the cost of parking relative to many North American airports is comparatively affordable, though QF also needs to compensate staff for such long layovers (bare in mind though the flights are pretty long which would require longer breaks under Australian labour laws I think).

QF also doesn't have too much choice. The 747 is the only suitable aircraft to deploy to YVR. They only have that, or the A380. Their limited fleet restricts the ability to open gateways with sustained frequency (you can see where I stand with QF and their 777 vs. A380 debate). And to prevent a sudden flood of capacity in the market, thereby significantly lowering yields, QF can only deploy a 747 in a low frequency. The issue here is that it is much harder for QF to compete against AC which would runs a daily 777 operation (and last year during the winter, ran a 10-weekly flight).

There's undoubtedly demand for flights from Canada to Australia, before 2012, Australians had the most passengers travelling to Canada excluding Americans. But back then QF didn't have the right fleet nor the right partnerships in place to make a SYD-YVR route sustainable (I would also not the right management either...).

Not certain if it is the case. But I read that when Air Canada was running the 10 flights it was hitting the maximum number of seats it was allowed to operate between Australia and Canada.

For many years Air Canada operated a 767 with a stop in Hawaii. Any before that I think it was Canadian with some partnerships with QF in some way

Johnny Aussie · #**6357** Posted **Sep 17, 2014, 11:55 PM**

The August prelim UK stats are out and YVR and YYC have fared very well in load factors for the month. Good to see both YVR and YYC absorbing a lot of the new capacity. The YEG figures also indicate the impact of Icelandair there.

Western Canada LFs for August:

LHR: YVR 94.9% YYC 92.3% YEG 89.8%
LGW: YVR 97.7% YYC 90.2% YEG 75.0% (last Aug was 90.0% - ouch!)
MAN: YVR 95.1%
GLA: YVR 91.6%
MAN/GLA: YYC 94.3% (combined route on TS)

YVR-LHR increased by over 7,000 in August which means almost 90% of the additional capacity was absorbed. This means the market can handle it. With VS pulling out, I can see BA going to double daily easy.

I was pleasantly surprised at LGW as well. The decrease in LGW (less than 150 pax only) was due to one less one way flight. But the LF has improved from 96.5% to 97.7%. Those are some pretty full planes from YVR to the UK.

Cage · #**6358** Posted **Sep 18, 2014, 12:18 AM**

Good article on the problems at Air India.
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2014/09...n-all-but-two-international-flights.html

Bottom line, AI loses money on 57 out of 59 international routes. The only two international routes AI makes money are regional services to Kathmandu and Rangoon.

Some routes did not even have enough revenue to cover the gas bill. But on several Ultra Long Haul routes I have heard fuel costs can be 80% of total costs. Normal domestic services have fuel cost comprising 25-30% of total cost.

Cage · #**6359** Posted **Sep 18, 2014, 12:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Luckily the cost of parking relative to many North American airports is comparatively affordable, though QF also needs to compensate staff for such long layovers (bare in mind though the flights are pretty long which would require longer breaks under Australian labour laws I think).

It would not surprise me to learn that QF deadhead the crew to LAX. Crew pairing could be SYD-YVR DH LAX-SYD and reverse.

Cage · #**6360** Posted **Sep 18, 2014, 12:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Too bad it's so short-lived. I'd love to see Qantas back at YVR year-round.

Two possibilities come to mind:
1) No other use for the aircraft.
2) QF has a risk sharing partner (e.g. consolidator or tour operator) based in Australia that has taken up some of the seats.

In any event I don't see this becoming a seasonal or year round route. At YYC we have seen this marekt before with Korean and Asiana flying ICN-YYC n/s during the summer, they brought Koreans to Banff to see the mountains.