YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Wow that is an annoying website. Wish they had more pictures on there.

The Jetset project, if its been confirmed looks to be on the same side as the new outlet mall from the pictures. Looks interesting.

hmm, wonder why they call it a YVR "Post-Disaster" Facility.
But hey yeah, it looks interesting, and seems as if it will lend more "presence" not only just at
its own location, but to the whole airport. Airside, it seems near (even if just behind) the main entranceway and
parking lot, so maybe we'll hear more of that wonderful high-pitch screaming of jets warming up.
(I realize it's noise pollution, but it adds to that "busy airport" feeling)

[spm2013]

Probably removes or provides backup for some infrastructure from the main building in case of an earthquake etc.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by spm2013

Probably removes or provides backup for some infrastructure from the main building in case of an earthquake etc.

Interesting how we all think so differently. For a minute there, I thought it was inferring that
A-B was a "disaster" in its under-use and mediocre design, (esp pier B!!), and that this was sort of a
"rebirth of a badly-designed airport wing" or such. Haha.

[Johnny Aussie]

YUL has released its July figures.

YTD YVR has exceeded YUL for the first time in total International Passengers (including transborder of course) by ~ 45,500. Not sure if that will continue but that is pretty impressive for tiny little Vancouver. One can argue two separate sub-groups of numbers but at the end of the day all these passengers are flying international. And YUL has a MUCH more significant sun destination network!

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YUL has released its July figures.

YTD YVR has exceeded YUL for the first time in total International Passengers (including transborder of course) by ~ 45,500. Not sure if that will continue but that is pretty impressive for tiny little Vancouver. One can argue two separate sub-groups of numbers but at the end of the day all these passengers are flying international. And YUL has a MUCH more significant sun destination network!

That's all I can say. So awesome!!!

[Klazu]

Regarding Virgin Atlantic... What's the idea with all the different Virgin airlines? Are they completely separate entities or are they part of the same airline group? Do they code share and have the same frequent flyer program? Why not one global airline?

I am too lazy to read it from Wikipedia and offering you geeks a chance to show your knowledge.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Regarding Virgin Atlantic... What's the idea with all the different Virgin airlines? Are they completely separate entities or are they part of the same airline group? Do they code share and have the same frequent flyer program? Why not one global airline?

I am too lazy to read it from Wikipedia and offering you geeks a chance to show your knowledge.

Virgin is a large multinational conglomerate. Virgin Records, Virgin Rail, Virgin Mobile etc. + the airlines.

Key issue is there are rules governing foreign ownership. So Virgin in the US has to be controlled by Americans, not the owner of the Virgin group is from the UK.

Same kind of thing happens in Canada. WestJet and Air Canada have two classes of shares one owned by foreign and one by Canadians. The Canadian share holders combined have to control more the 50% of the votes.

[Klazu]

Ah, I see. Is Virgin the only company doing this on a global scale? I cannot think of any other company right now, altough I don't really know who might be owning who.

[Johnny Aussie]

Hot off the heels of the transborder update...

Not only has rouge added a second daily YVR-LAS.... but now they have replaced the Thurs/Fri/Sun flights of the earlier flight with a 763. The flight on those days is also scheduled to leave a couple of hours earlier than the other days.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Ah, I see. Is Virgin the only company doing this on a global scale? I cannot think of any other company right now, altough I don't really know who might be owning who.

Quite common, actually. Both Jetstar (Qantas) and Air Asia are doing it, although the focus is on Asia Pacific markets. Singapore Airlines has a number of brands ranging from Scoot and Silk Air to their new Indian JV.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Quite common, actually. Both Jetstar (Qantas) and Air Asia are doing it, although the focus is on Asia Pacific markets. Singapore Airlines has a number of brands ranging from Scoot and Silk Air to their new Indian JV.

They do not operate under the Lufthansa name, but Lufthansa has interests in a hand full of European Airlines.

Air France and KLM are basically the same company.

British Airways and Iberica have the same ownership.

Likely there are more.

[trofirhen]

In case Air Canada fails to deliver 787 srvice to Brisbane next years as advertised,
is Jetstar poised or interested in a new VYR - Australia route?
Air NZ has already launched three new 787 routes, two in Asia, one to Perth.
They are talking about putting YVR next up on the 787 list, thereby tentatively being able to offer daily service 7 days a week.
Would not BNE and / MEL be as high yield, with 787 metal?

[whatnext]

BIV has an article on the new Canada Post facility:
http://www.biv.com/article/20140904/BIV0...m_term=0_e7a16d5571-9c7fb2391d-209375701

[thegx]

Air Canada during the month of November 2014 is temporary reducing long-haul operations from Vancouver, with overall frequency for each route being reduced from 7 to 6 weekly (Hong Kong 5 weekly). Planned operation reductions as follow.

Vancouver – Beijing 02NOV14 – 02DEC14 Service cancelled on Wednesdays from Vancouver, Thursdays from Beijing
Vancouver – Hong Kong 02NOV14 – 01DEC14 Service cancelled on Tuesdays/Thursdays from Vancouver, Wednesdays/Fridays from Hong Kong
Vancouver – London Heathrow 05NOV14 – 08DEC14 Service cancelled on Tuesdays from Vancouver, Wednesdays from London
Vancouver – Seoul Incheon 02NOV14 – 30NOV14 Service cancelled on Mondays from Vancouver, Tuesdays from Seoul
Vancouver – Shanghai Pu Dong 11NOV14 – 30NOV14 Service cancelled on Mondays from Vancouver, Tuesdays from Shanghai

http://airlineroute.net/2014/09/08/ac-yvr-nov14/

Chicago on UA also sees a reduction in the winter.

UA ORD-YVR FEB 3>2 MAR 4>3

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thegx

http://airlineroute.net/2014/09/08/ac-yvr-nov14/

Chicago on UA also sees a reduction in the winter.

UA ORD-YVR FEB 3>2 MAR 4>3

All of these AC changes are the same as last winter so no change from the previous year. This is the standard, normal AC reduction for November, the slowest month of the year. AC tends to do this on certain routes in February too. LH, for example, does the same thing on most NA routes mid Jan - Feb. But actually, HKG and LHR are overall capacity increases during this period because of the the high density 77W. And pretty soon all the 763 routes will be replaced by the 788s. Perhaps the economics of that aircraft may not require any frequency adjustments for November next year. We'll see how that goes!

All the UA change posted on airliners.net does is shows the change in schedule from the prior week's listing in OAG. So be careful when comparing to a prior period, as a "reduction" may only reflect this change. This is the exact same schedule to ORD as last winter so no "reduction." 2 daily is the norm for ORD over the winter. It is increasing to 3 over the peak Xmas period and then increases to 3 again late March (was showing as 4 last week which would have been an increase from last year but now it's back to 3). Also for Jan - mid Feb both daily flights are A320s compared to 319s last winter so a capacity increase really. Whereas in the same airliner.net posting, for example, showing YEG-ORD being reduced this is an actual reduction compared to the prior year.

In fact, UA isn't showing any YVR reductions on any route at all compared to the prior winter compared to other Western Canada cities.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

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In fact, UA isn't showing any YVR reductions on any route at all compared to the prior winter compared to other Western Canada cities.

Super-informative. Thanks again, Johnny.
Do you have stats from other western Canadian cities showing reductions, in addition to to YEG reduction?
I'd be interested to see how Calgary is doing in comparison to YVR.

[trofirhen]

Dunno where I got this, found it here somewhere, took a look at it and was quit surprised by a number that totalled up. Old news but enlightening.

Philippines, last year, was starting up Manila-São Paulo via LAX.
The link, if interested:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5773745/

The number that surprises is that via LAX it is 13474 miles.
Manila -GRU via YVR it is 13441 miles. That's 33 miles shorter via YVR
than through LAX. The figures and routes below, if interested.
1 via YVR >
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/mnl-to-yvr-gru/
2 via LAX >
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/mnl-to-yvr-gru/

And nonstop, if a 788 could handle it (more probably with a stop at Cape Town):
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/mnl-to-gru/

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Super-informative. Thanks again, Johnny.
Do you have stats from other western Canadian cities showing reductions, in addition to to YEG reduction?
I'd be interested to see how Calgary is doing in comparison to YVR.

Not much reduced out of YYC. Just a few downgauges to more express flying on IAH and DEN. There are no actual frequency cuts at YYC.

The other cuts in Western Canada are axing YQR/YXE-ORD, YMM-DEN, YEG-EWR and reduced capacity on YEG-IAH, YEG-ORD and YEG-DEN. YEG-SFO reduced frequencies are same as last winter.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Dunno where I got this, found it here somewhere, took a look at it and was quit surprised by a number that totalled up. Old news but enlightening.

Philippines, last year, was starting up Manila-São Paulo via LAX.
The link, if interested:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5773745/

The number that surprises is that via LAX it is 13474 miles.
Manila -GRU via YVR it is 13441 miles. That's 33 miles shorter via YVR
than through LAX. The figures and routes below, if interested.
1 via YVR >
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/mnl-to-yvr-gru/
2 via LAX >
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/mnl-to-yvr-gru/

And nonstop, if a 788 could handle it (more probably with a stop at Cape Town):
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/mnl-to-gru/

Looking at the O&D figures in the Tourism Alberta report introduced a couple of weeks ago I was pleasantly surprised at how big the YVR-Brazil market is. Also, would love to see Peru, Argentina and Chile as well. There may be some opportunities with Asian carriers using YVR.

With a bit of sleuthing, I am aware Korean is looking at (possibly) increasing frequencies to YVR and they are also looking at a direct flight to Lima.... hmmmmmmmmm.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looking at the O&D figures in the Tourism Alberta report introduced a couple of weeks ago I was pleasantly surprised at how big the YVR-Brazil market is. Also, would love to see Peru, Argentina and Chile as well. There may be some opportunities with Asian carriers using YVR.

With a bit of sleuthing, I am aware Korean is looking at (possibly) increasing frequencies to YVR and they are also looking at a direct flight to Lima.... hmmmmmmmmm.

Wouldn't it be great if YVR could score Lima and Sao Paolo ?!? (I'm dreaming, I know ...)