Innes-Walkley-Hunt Club Connector | Phase 1 (Hunt Club to 417 Extension) Proposed - Page 8

hwy418 · #**141** Posted **Aug 21, 2014, 1:19 PM**

Seems there is a bike lane painted there which is odd considering pedestrians and cyclists are not allowed on that stretch of roadway (signs posted at Hunt Club / Hawthorne).

https://twitter.com/CBCKamil/status/502442330574823424

IntoTheCore · #**142** Posted **Aug 21, 2014, 1:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by hwy418

Seems there is a bike lane painted there which is odd considering pedestrians and cyclists are not allowed on that stretch of roadway (signs posted at Hunt Club / Hawthorne).

https://twitter.com/CBCKamil/status/502442330574823424

That looks more like a wide shoulder than a bike lane.

hwy418 · #**143** Posted **Aug 21, 2014, 1:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by IntoTheCore

That looks more like a wide shoulder than a bike lane.

Probably right - will check it out later today.

TransitZilla · #**144** Posted **Aug 21, 2014, 1:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by hwy418

Seems there is a bike lane painted there which is odd considering pedestrians and cyclists are not allowed on that stretch of roadway (signs posted at Hunt Club / Hawthorne).

https://twitter.com/CBCKamil/status/502442330574823424

They should have provided a pathway connection for cyclists to/from Hunt Club and Russel Rd (since the roadway passes over Russell). Then the lanes would have been useful. Oh well.

If there is development in the next couple of years fronting onto Hunt Club (or if a new road is connected to Hunt Club from the business park lands, I expect cyclists would be allowed at that point. Better to build the road with the lanes than to pay more $$ to add them later.

MaxHeadroom · #**145** Posted **Aug 21, 2014, 9:03 PM**

I took it today. Makes getting to Princess Auto and Purolator Depot of Missed Deliveries easier. And I'm disappointed. Speed limit posted at 70 which is too slow. The roadway is not divided over the entire length. And the biggest goof of all: the ramp from 417EB to Hunt Club ends at a hard T intersection with a stop sign! There's no reason for that! It should have been a ramp with gentle curves to keep traffic moving and to help trucks navigate it safely. A 53' tractor trailer will need to make a wide turn across two lanes of traffic. Stupid.

DarkArconio · #**146** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 12:06 AM**

Simple reason for that T intersection: the interchange is built to be convertible to a full 4 way interchange at minimal cost should the city decide to extend hunt club to the blackburn hamlet bypass, as is in their plans. That intersection is protected for future left turns.

MaxHeadroom · #**147** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 12:55 AM**

Even if Hunt Club is extended further, who in their right mind is going to need to jump off the 417 heading south, just to go back north again? There should be a right turn ramp just like Walkley exit so that trucks can make the turn safely. If you haven't seen it, go to site in person and tell me this is not an accident waiting to happen.

hwy418 · #**148** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 2:59 AM**

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Even if Hunt Club is extended further, who in their right mind is going to need to jump off the 417 heading south, just to go back north again? There should be a right turn ramp just like Walkley exit so that trucks can make the turn safely. If you haven't seen it, go to site in person and tell me this is not an accident waiting to happen.

I don't think the walkley exit is the greatest example - I used it daily until today and it doesn't work we'll. People are constantly passing on the left and making an illegal right turn at the ramp terminal. The ramp is clearly over capacity - I would argue that a double right turn with a signal would solve the issue. This is now an urban interchange and should be treated that way.

Like someone mentioned above, the Hunt Club interchange is setup to accommodate a future link towards Innes road. In fact, someone in my office managed the EA while he worked for the city and he indicated that a second structure over the highway is planned once the link is built... don't know - will have to go back and take a look again.

waterloowarrior · #**149** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 3:10 AM**

I merged this thread with an older one with more background...this was really just Phase 1 of the Innes-Walkley-Hunt Club Connector

1overcosc · #**150** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 3:40 AM**

My god that is woefully redundant with the 417.... why the hell would that ever be built? Complete waste. If it was going straight eastward on a beeline to south Orleans, that would make sense. But this way... it just looks stupid.

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Even if Hunt Club is extended further, who in their right mind is going to need to jump off the 417 heading south, just to go back north again?

If Hunt Club Phase 2 went straight east to South Orleans, then there would be plenty of people getting off the 417 east/south bound to turn left. Doing that would actually be the fastest route to south Orleans from downtown.

Kitchissippi · #**151** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 7:25 AM**

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If Hunt Club Phase 2 went straight east to South Orleans, then there would be plenty of people getting off the 417 east/south bound to turn left. Doing that would actually be the fastest route to south Orleans from downtown.

There's no way that would happen because the most environmentally sensitive parts of Mer Bleue are in the way. It's a Wetlands of International Importance (WII) under the Ramsar Convention

1overcosc · #**152** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 12:12 PM**

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There's no way that would happen because the most environmentally sensitive parts of Mer Bleue are in the way. It's a Wetlands of International Importance (WII) under the Ramsar Convention

Oh ya, good point. Forgot that Mer Bleue was that far north.. in my mind it's always in Carlsbad Springs

In that case, just extend Hunt Club out to Ramsayville and then be done with it.

hwy418 · #**153** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 12:43 PM**

I think the road should extend east and follow the hydro corridor and connect to the future Brian Coburn Blvd near Navan Road. This arrangement would be similar to Hunt Club in the west end from Merivale to Greenbank.

I took this route this morning (Orleans to South Keys) and it shaved 5 mins with absolutely zero traffic. Savings will much more significant in the fall and winter.

I agree with someone above that the speed limit of 70 km/h is strange given there are no accesses between 417 and just east of Hawthorne. Then once you reach Hawthorne the speed limit goes to 80 km/h - should be to other way around. Also, the stop sign at the EB off-ramp terminal is necessary because you have traffic coming from 417 WB and the sight lines are not the greatest. I don't really see the stop being a problem for now...

1overcosc · #**154** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 1:18 PM**

Because Hunt Club is the easternmost exit in the city traffic from the 417 WB -> Hunt Club should be minimal, so I imagine it's rare to have to wait at the stop sign.

Going off no a tangent, it appears that the Hunt Club exit is already in Google Maps.

JM1 · #**155** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 1:56 PM**

Why does the city need a corridor that parallels the 417? Is the 417 that busy in that section? Couldn't you just improve the connections between Innes and the 417 so that those on Walkley and Hunt Club could use the 417 to get to Innes East?

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

I merged this thread with an older one with more background...this was really just Phase 1 of the Innes-Walkley-Hunt Club Connector

Acajack · #**156** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 2:04 PM**

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Why does the city need a corridor that parallels the 417? Is the 417 that busy in that section?

Not any busier than a whole bunch of other highways and where they are no plans to build a parallel road to alleviate congestion on the main one.

It's such a dumb project when there are so many other priorities that are not being addressed.

hwy418 · #**157** Posted **Aug 22, 2014, 4:20 PM**

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Why does the city need a corridor that parallels the 417? Is the 417 that busy in that section? Couldn't you just improve the connections between Innes and the 417 so that those on Walkley and Hunt Club could use the 417 to get to Innes East?

The explanation I got from the City is that the Innes Road interchange at Highway 417 could not process the 2031 volumes and expansion would be prohibitive. Hence the separate connection from Innes/Anderson to Hunt Club - the intend is to remove the east-to-south traffic from the interchange.

Also, the extension from 417 to Innes/Anderson is to be built as a super-2 which is interesting.

Personally I would prefer a Hunt Club to Brian Coburn connection if it could somehow be built.

silvergate · #**158** Posted **Sep 6, 2014, 3:56 PM**

Couldn't we use this to connect Baseline rapid transit to Innes Rapid Transit through Walkley road?

eternallyme · #**159** Posted **Sep 7, 2014, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by hwy418

I think the road should extend east and follow the hydro corridor and connect to the future Brian Coburn Blvd near Navan Road. This arrangement would be similar to Hunt Club in the west end from Merivale to Greenbank.

I took this route this morning (Orleans to South Keys) and it shaved 5 mins with absolutely zero traffic. Savings will much more significant in the fall and winter.

I agree with someone above that the speed limit of 70 km/h is strange given there are no accesses between 417 and just east of Hawthorne. Then once you reach Hawthorne the speed limit goes to 80 km/h - should be to other way around. Also, the stop sign at the EB off-ramp terminal is necessary because you have traffic coming from 417 WB and the sight lines are not the greatest. I don't really see the stop being a problem for now...

I'd argue for a 90 km/h speed limit on the section east of Hawthorne given the design and projected traffic flow.

Agreed Phase 2 is so wasteful. Mer Bleue blocks an easy connection to Orleans though...

harls · #**160** Posted **Oct 15, 2014, 5:01 PM**

I came back from Quebec City this Sunday on the 417, and saw the Hunt Club signage for the first time. Looks pretty snazzy.

There is a new overhead sign for Walkley (like the one at the Island Park exit) plus the old one still in the ditch, side by side.. I'm guessing the old one will be removed.

..and that electronic sign is still blank.