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Old Posted Jul 24, 2014, 3:31 PM
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I think a fair trade off would be 40Kph speed limits in residential areas but I get to —/gunt punch any parent I see jaywalking with their kids. Doesn't matter where or when. If they're not using a crosswalk, Pow! Right in the baby maker.

As a non-parent, I'm appalled when I see parents doing this.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2014, 3:51 PM
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Regarding kids playing outside. Here are my observations as a Dad to a very active four year old.

- One factor not mentioned in the above discussion is the greater diversity of household types than was present 20-40 years ago. When I grew up the street with 80 houses had at least 30 houses with Kids. Today's neighbourhoods have higher percentage of childless houses. Consequently it harder for kids to meet other kids in the neighbourhood.
- Structured activities for some kids has taken on whole new expanded realm. Parents are moulding their progeny into little superstars at a very young age(3-5 years). For some kids activity has shifted from the playground and to dance studio, hockey rink, etc.
- Greater schooling choices have segregated our communities. When I was growing up there was basically two schooling choices, public or separate. The public had one more option, french immersion at a few select schools. Today's schooling choices have afore mentioned three plus spanish immersion, Charter schools, special needs schools, etc. With all the schooling choices, kids within the same community are sent to different schooling locations are consequently do not interact with their neighbours.
- Greater use of school bussing options has resulted in kids whose inner circle of friends are located several communities apart. If the kids want to meet outside of school, their parents must drive them due to distance involved.
- Increase housing density has reduced the opportunity for kids to play in their own backyard. When I was growing up my Dad built a ice rink in our back yard. The house lot was 60 feet wide. Today my back yard is just shy of 40 feet wide. I would be hard pressed to build an adequate rink that allowed for decent ice surface.
- An unintended consequence of housing density increase. I don't have a sidewalk on my side of the street. When I played outdoors, my Mom took comfort that kids used the sidewalks and cars used the road. Today my wife freaks out that my kid could get run over due at innocent mistake. Bluntly the sidewalk introduced buffer zone for my childhood that my daughter does not have available.
- When I grew up, everyone drove slower in our neighbourhood because nearly everyone had kids. The houses that did not have children living in the home had grandkids that would stop by constantly. I can remember 1 out of 80 houses was rented by university students and there were no DINK households. Today I have at least 5 houses rented to university aged people, and 10 more houses owned by DINKs or SINKs. Vehicles go faster when driven by individuals without connection to young children, MHO based on observation from my front yard.

WRT technology. Yes my daughter plays with iPad and watches TV, however she also gets double the recommended time of activity, a little over 2 hours active play per day. She does parks 4-5 times per week plus gymnastics and other activities. I believe the discussions of too much TV and too little activity need to be separated.

Finally the medical, fitness, and child rearing communities need to come clean with their double speak. There is too great a focus on learning game theories rather than getting kids active. For example written exams for gym class. Additionally, unstructured play is essentially forcing young kids to sort out disagreements for themselves. Yes the younger ones are going to get short end of the stick, but some day the younger ones will be the older ones and get to be leader.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2014, 4:13 PM
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Regarding kids playing outside. Here are my observations as a Dad to a very active four year old.

- One factor not mentioned in the above discussion is the greater diversity of household types than was present 20-40 years ago. When I grew up the street with 80 houses had at least 30 houses with Kids. Today's neighbourhoods have higher percentage of childless houses. Consequently it harder for kids to meet other kids in the neighbourhood.
- Structured activities for some kids has taken on whole new expanded realm. Parents are moulding their progeny into little superstars at a very young age(3-5 years). For some kids activity has shifted from the playground and to dance studio, hockey rink, etc.
I think this has a huge affect on the usage of outdoor play, when I was growing up I didn't do organized sports as a result I had energy and time when I got home to go out and play.

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- Greater schooling choices have segregated our communities. When I was growing up there was basically two schooling choices, public or separate. The public had one more option, french immersion at a few select schools. Today's schooling choices have afore mentioned three plus spanish immersion, Charter schools, special needs schools, etc. With all the schooling choices, kids within the same community are sent to different schooling locations are consequently do not interact with their neighbours.
- Greater use of school bussing options has resulted in kids whose inner circle of friends are located several communities apart. If the kids want to meet outside of school, their parents must drive them due to distance involved.
- Increase housing density has reduced the opportunity for kids to play in their own backyard. When I was growing up my Dad built a ice rink in our back yard. The house lot was 60 feet wide. Today my back yard is just shy of 40 feet wide. I would be hard pressed to build an adequate rink that allowed for decent ice surface.
- An unintended consequence of housing density increase. I don't have a sidewalk on my side of the street. When I played outdoors, my Mom took comfort that kids used the sidewalks and cars used the road. Today my wife freaks out that my kid could get run over due at innocent mistake. Bluntly the sidewalk introduced buffer zone for my childhood that my daughter does not have available.
- When I grew up, everyone drove slower in our neighbourhood because nearly everyone had kids. The houses that did not have children living in the home had grandkids that would stop by constantly. I can remember 1 out of 80 houses was rented by university students and there were no DINK households. Today I have at least 5 houses rented to university aged people, and 10 more houses owned by DINKs or SINKs. Vehicles go faster when driven by individuals without connection to young children, MHO based on observation from my front yard.

WRT technology. Yes my daughter plays with iPad and watches TV, however she also gets double the recommended time of activity, a little over 2 hours active play per day. She does parks 4-5 times per week plus gymnastics and other activities. I believe the discussions of too much TV and too little activity need to be separated.

Finally the medical, fitness, and child rearing communities need to come clean with their double speak. There is too great a focus on learning game theories rather than getting kids active. For example written exams for gym class. Additionally, unstructured play is essentially forcing young kids to sort out disagreements for themselves. Yes the younger ones are going to get short end of the stick, but some day the younger ones will be the older ones and get to be leader.
There was something mentioned in the movie "The Human Scale" regarding how our city designs have made us more isolated, we have reduced the possibilities of interacting with our neighbours. By not interacting with others we reduce our empathy for others and relegate their needs lower than our own.

[Yes I know the above is a bit of stretch, but I know for myself when I get in a rush it's easy to get focused on getting there, everyone else be damned]
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2014, 5:34 PM
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I don't believe a speed limit change will do anything for either side of the debate, it's unlikely to dramatically affect anyones travel time and it's even less likely to decrease the risk to other users of the roadway. IMO this is where street design plays a much larger factor than a number on a sign.
I also agree that street design plays a larger part in determining the speed that people actually travel at than a number on a sign.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2014, 6:24 PM
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Do away with Playground Zones, have a blanket law that says 30kph maximum ANYWHERE in residential zone when there are kids playing within 10 metres of the street.

Obviously with some resonable exceptions. A kid playing on the other side of a fence doesn't count, etc.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2014, 7:09 PM
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Regarding kids playing outside. Here are my observations as a Dad to a very active four year old.

- One factor not mentioned in the above discussion is the greater diversity of household types than was present 20-40 years ago. When I grew up the street with 80 houses had at least 30 houses with Kids. Today's neighbourhoods have higher percentage of childless houses. Consequently it harder for kids to meet other kids in the neighbourhood.
- Structured activities for some kids has taken on whole new expanded realm. Parents are moulding their progeny into little superstars at a very young age(3-5 years). For some kids activity has shifted from the playground and to dance studio, hockey rink, etc.
- Greater schooling choices have segregated our communities. When I was growing up there was basically two schooling choices, public or separate. The public had one more option, french immersion at a few select schools. Today's schooling choices have afore mentioned three plus spanish immersion, Charter schools, special needs schools, etc. With all the schooling choices, kids within the same community are sent to different schooling locations are consequently do not interact with their neighbours.
- Greater use of school bussing options has resulted in kids whose inner circle of friends are located several communities apart. If the kids want to meet outside of school, their parents must drive them due to distance involved.
- Increase housing density has reduced the opportunity for kids to play in their own backyard. When I was growing up my Dad built a ice rink in our back yard. The house lot was 60 feet wide. Today my back yard is just shy of 40 feet wide. I would be hard pressed to build an adequate rink that allowed for decent ice surface.
- An unintended consequence of housing density increase. I don't have a sidewalk on my side of the street. When I played outdoors, my Mom took comfort that kids used the sidewalks and cars used the road. Today my wife freaks out that my kid could get run over due at innocent mistake. Bluntly the sidewalk introduced buffer zone for my childhood that my daughter does not have available.
- When I grew up, everyone drove slower in our neighbourhood because nearly everyone had kids. The houses that did not have children living in the home had grandkids that would stop by constantly. I can remember 1 out of 80 houses was rented by university students and there were no DINK households. Today I have at least 5 houses rented to university aged people, and 10 more houses owned by DINKs or SINKs. Vehicles go faster when driven by individuals without connection to young children, MHO based on observation from my front yard.

WRT technology. Yes my daughter plays with iPad and watches TV, however she also gets double the recommended time of activity, a little over 2 hours active play per day. She does parks 4-5 times per week plus gymnastics and other activities. I believe the discussions of too much TV and too little activity need to be separated.

Finally the medical, fitness, and child rearing communities need to come clean with their double speak. There is too great a focus on learning game theories rather than getting kids active. For example written exams for gym class. Additionally, unstructured play is essentially forcing young kids to sort out disagreements for themselves. Yes the younger ones are going to get short end of the stick, but some day the younger ones will be the older ones and get to be leader.
yes, yes, and hell yes. Taking my street (in a new neighborhood) as an example:
1. of roughly 100 houses on the street I would put the count of homes with children school age or younger at about 20-30 tops.
2. For whatever reason parents today seem to think they need to put their kids in some kind of structured activity at all time. And the more it costs and the more time it takes the better (apparently).
3. There are exactly 8 kids on my street with kids my age (7 homes in total since two of those kids are mine). They go to 7 different schools. In other words not a single kid goes to the same school as a kid from another house. All your school friends live in different communities, never mind living on another street. My kids have school friends who live in different quadrants of the city.
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2014, 6:06 PM
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Interesting article on the front page of today's Metro - Calgary traffic flow: Some downtown streets less busy than in 1964

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Drivers may fume about traffic in downtown Calgary today, but numerous core-area streets actually have lower traffic volumes in recent years than they did a half-century ago, according to data the city has compiled over decades.

Major entryways into the Beltline like 4th Street and 14th Street SW, for example, saw less traffic in 2012 than they did in 1964, when the city’s population was a quarter the size.

“It is a little bit surprising,” Ekke Kok, the city’s manager of transportation data, said of the historical vehicle counts he and his predecessors have collected since Grant MacEwan was mayor.

Traffic on many centre-city routes peaked in the late 1990s and early 2000s, with volumes tending to drop off in the latest five years of recorded data.

The stretch of Macleod Trail between 25th Avenue South and the Elbow River, for example, recorded its thickest traffic in 1998, when 63,000 vehicles were counted in a 24-hour period.

Annual counts from 2008 to 2012, by comparison, averaged at 49,800.
A couple of nice images as well, including this chart showing travel mode entering and exiting the downtown core:

Slightly fewer car occupants than in 1990; how much more office space and how many more jobs have moved downtown over the past 25 years?
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2014, 9:22 PM
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Interesting article on the front page of today's Metro - Calgary traffic flow: Some downtown streets less busy than in 1964



A couple of nice images as well, including this chart showing travel mode entering and exiting the downtown core:

Slightly fewer car occupants than in 1990; how much more office space and how many more jobs have moved downtown over the past 25 years?
The interesting part for me is the continual growth of transit despite the train being at capacity and the recession.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 1:40 AM
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The interesting part for me is the continual growth of transit despite the train being at capacity and the recession.
The train is only at capacity during peak times, and wouldn't a recession steer more people to transit (driving and parking becoming cost prohibitive)?
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 3:21 AM
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Calgary traffic really isn't that bad. I find the stress from driving is more due to poor driving skills and crappy road designs/planning.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 3:24 AM
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Calgary traffic really isn't that bad. I find the stress from driving is more due to poor driving skills and crappy road designs/planning.
yeah all the douchebags tailgating you because you "drive too slow" really make life hell.

I'm sure you have great driving skills like every other male person on here. All I have is 34 years of a spotless driving record, not even one speeding ticket, but I don't know how to drive because douchenozzles tell me so.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 3:40 AM
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yeah all the douchebags tailgating you because you "drive too slow" really make life hell.

I'm sure you have great driving skills like every other male person on here. All I have is 34 years of a spotless driving record, not even one speeding ticket, but I don't know how to drive because douchenozzles tell me so.
Did I say that? The biggest issue is poor lane discipline. I actually have some sympathy for the bad driving as it's a product of awful road design encouraging people to just stick to the middle lane as they have no idea when the lane they are in will suddenly end, or how on earth they'll have to navigate the next abortion of an interchange.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 3:59 AM
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The train is only at capacity during peak times, and wouldn't a recession steer more people to transit (driving and parking becoming cost prohibitive)?
True, and this is a very good thing for the city of Calgary and our tax rates
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True, and this is a very good thing for the city of Calgary and our tax rates
The graph says CT buses, which I don't think is a typo as the article is talking about downtown streets, so the train isn't being directly discussed.

I don't think the train is so full that buses would be a an alternative for the majority of passengers, especially given the nature of the system (feeders to LRT stops, few parallel routes).
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 5:33 AM
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The graph says CT buses, which I don't think is a typo as the article is talking about downtown streets, so the train isn't being directly discussed.

I don't think the train is so full that buses would be a an alternative for the majority of passengers, especially given the nature of the system (feeders to LRT stops, few parallel routes).
IIRC, buses and trains carry an equal amount of passengers into downtown. That was before West LRT (again, IIRC), so that probably has changed. That being said buses are an alternative for some people. A few express buses run into the catchments for the LRTs at peak periods that basically help handle the additional load that the train cannot. As well, there are many bus routes that are standing room only during rush hour, even with pretty low headways. The 301, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are all very busy routes where there are times when the bus is too full to pick up more passengers (and those are just off the top of my head).
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We have a schematic for the Ogden-Glenmore Intersection!




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I drove out to the Glenmore/Ogden area last night and was surpised to see that all the buildings at Glenmore & 31 St SE have been completely cleared out. That didn't take long.
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I drove out to the Glenmore/Ogden area last night and was surpised to see that all the buildings at Glenmore & 31 St SE have been completely cleared out. That didn't take long.
Those buildings have all been gone for a couple of months already.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2014, 7:04 AM
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I noticed the City is patching/replacing the retaining wall on Crowchild at University Drive. I take this as a bad sign that they are not planning on properly fixing Crowchild (24th to 17th) any time soon.
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I noticed the City is patching/replacing the retaining wall on Crowchild at University Drive. I take this as a bad sign that they are not planning on properly fixing Crowchild (24th to 17th) any time soon.
The corridor study will be starting up again this fall to look at the problems. Once completed it will be like every other project, waiting on funding.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2014, 6:35 PM
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I noticed the City is patching/replacing the retaining wall on Crowchild at University Drive. I take this as a bad sign that they are not planning on properly fixing Crowchild (24th to 17th) any time soon.
Considering the concrete was crumbling (and on the 16th Avenue bridge there was exposed rebar in the pier) its at best a band-aid solution for now.
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