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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2014, 5:36 PM
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Are you serious or is this sarcasm?
Sarcastic. Many of the arguments against the development in the first place were based on the burden we were leaving for our children. Won't somebody please stop to consider the poor children??!

Now that that's done, suddenly people over the age of 65 are at risk because of busses on the one street. The best way to protest against this? Walking in front of a bus, apparently.
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2014, 5:42 PM
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At least these seniors now have a reason to exercise 5 days a year
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2014, 5:43 PM
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On the flip side, I'll give Ian Lee a little credit for being able to admit to being pleasantly surprised.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/4729076-lansdowne-s-opening-night-receives-kudos/

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While opening weekend may be too early to claim the Lansdowne Park revitalization is a success, receiving kudos from a Friends of Lansdowne member isn't a bad way to start.

By all accounts, the experience in the Glebe on opening night for the RedBlacks on July 18 was a positive one. Accolades even poured in from Ian Lee, a prominent member and spokesman for the Friends group that bitterly opposed the business plan and contractual aspects of the redevelopment.

"I am not trying to give (the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group) gratuitous kudos ... but I've got to give them credit because they must have run it very smoothly," he said. "I'll be frank, I was pleasantly surprised."

After almost four years of construction, more than 24,000 fans flooded Landowne and TD Place stadium for the sold out RedBlacks Canadian Football League home opener on July 18. Another 14,593 fans flocked to the stadium two days later for an Ottawa Fury soccer game that set an attendance record for North American Soccer League. Lee said he stayed home, about two blocks away from Lansdowne, and didn't check out the stadium, but he said the process of getting fans to and from the football game ran smoothly, from what he could see. There was no traffic congestion, Lee said, and his friends and neighbours agreed.

"There was no gridlock, panic, crisis of any kind," Lee said. "It doesn't mean that it can't be fine tuned."

Hassan Madhoun agreed. The transportation demand manager for Lansdowne was breathing a sigh of relief that his message telling people to take their bicycle, the bus or a shuttle to the game got through to fans.

Firsthand reports from Glebe residents and businesses confirm there were very few motorists circulating around neighbourhood side streets searching for parking.

The city handed out 51 parking tickets in the Glebe on RedBlacks' game night and towed nine vehicles.

Most of the complaints that came in related to people parking beyond the time limit for the zone or parking in an area marked for no stopping or parking, including private property. The city received just eight complaints to 311 bylaw services, plus one complaint related to selling parking in a private driveway, which is a zoning bylaw violation. Only four tickets were handed out during Sunday's Fury game.

"People got the message and they decided not to park in the Glebe," Madhoun said. "I personally was encouraged to see that a lot of folks decided to take transit. That was a very positive surprise for me."

The overall number of people who took a bus or shuttle to the game hit OSEG's target, Madhoun said. But he was surprised that most fans - 7,600 of them - took OC Transpo to Friday's home opener instead of a larger proportion of people taking park-and-ride shuttles, as he predicted.

OC Transpo fares are included with Red-Blacks tickets.

Madhoun estimates around 700 people biked to Lansdowne. While only 400 bikes were counted in the secure parking offered on site, OSEG staff did a rough count of the number of bikes locked around Lansdowne and concluded that another 300 or so chose to

cycle, but not use the secure lock-up.

There is always room for improvement, Madhoun said. There were a few hiccups with motorists trying to enter the park through the Queen Elizabeth Driveway entrance, which is used as a shuttle loop.

"We're trying slowly changing the way people think of how to get to Lansdowne," he said.

One outstanding concern for Lee and other Glebe residents is the route shuttle buses use to get to the stadium. Lee said residents on Lakeside Avenue are disproportionately negatively affected because shuttles run down their residential side street on major game days.

"Buses should run on arterial roads ... not on Lakeside," Lee said.

All of the extra people who came to the Glebe by various modes created a lively, vibrant environment along Bank Street on opening day, said Andrew Peck, the executive director of the Glebe Business Improvement Area. "The feeling of the merchants was it was full of life," he said. He's still collecting feedback on whether that translated to an uptick in sales.

Obviously, restaurants did brisk business, Peck said, but having a new demographic of potential customers introduced to Glebe retailers is a good thing, even if they didn't spend money on opening night.
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If you moved onto a quiet residential street with turn restrictions, and one day the City decided to override them and allow dozens of buses for the benefit of a private organization they have a financial partnership with.. I think you have the right to be upset.
"benefit of a private organization...."

I would say the benefit of a large segment of the Ottawa population.

Come on...5 days a year....my GOD!!! Get a life.
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Decisions like running busses on a quiet but straight-shortcut-route residential street, are the reason why people will continue wanting to live on curculiar streets, and business-people will continue trying to build such developments.
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Not that I would love it, but the buses really run for a very short period of time on a limited number of nights.

I think it is probably the least bad option for everyone considered.

If the buses from Carleton came down say sunnyside they would be going past a considerably larger number of homes.

If the buses took a longer route they would become much less attractive to take. It is much better for the neighbour hood to bring 5500 people in on buses then dump 2000+ additional cars into the neighbour if it is even possible to find places to park them all.

The only other way would be Bank street, but I would think that many more buses would entail a full shutdown of bank and I am not even sure where they would all pickup/drop off.


Lakeside isn't perfect but it is a really short time span and quite manageable.
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Back in the day when the majority of people took thier cars, they complained.
Now, the majority take the bus, and they complain.
If the majority ditched the buses, and took thier bikes, they'd compain.
If the majoirty walked, they'd complain.

It never ends.
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City considers redirecting shuttle buses off Lakeside Ave.

Potential route along Sunnyside and Fifth avenues to be tested in coming months, city says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/cit...buses-off-lakeside-ave-1.2728745?cmp=rss
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It's 9 days a year, surely these people can come up with something else to do, somewhere else to be those few nights a year?
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It's 9 days a year, surely these people can come up with something else to do, somewhere else to be those few nights a year?
That's pretty insensitive! "If you don't like the noise, get out of your own house"?

Folks have the right to not be happy to have a ton of buses running down their quiet street. I wouldn't be happy either. I'd be even more upset if someone responded to me to get out of my own house for a few nights a year if I don't like it.

I made it to my first game against SK and found things went pretty smoothly and there didn't seem to be any traffic issues at all.

Perhaps we could brainstorm solutions as opposed to ripping into those who don't want a ton of buses on their side street, no!?
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That's pretty insensitive! "If you don't like the noise, get out of your own house"?

Folks have the right to not be happy to have a ton of buses running down their quiet street. I wouldn't be happy either. I'd be even more upset if someone responded to me to get out of my own house for a few nights a year if I don't like it.

I made it to my first game against SK and found things went pretty smoothly and there didn't seem to be any traffic issues at all.

Perhaps we could brainstorm solutions as opposed to ripping into those who don't want a ton of buses on their side street, no!?
It's not as a "quiet" small street as some would like people to think it is.

These people are freaking out about something that "might" happen or 'only a matter of time'. It's only a matter of time until earth gets with a large meteor but it's certainly not worth worrying about.

In addition, both intersections are police controlled, which makes it more likely a meteor hits first. This is just another case of people whining, I hope the City keeps this route because it makes the most sense. These people will get tired of walking across the street 9-10 times a year and being a general annoyance to the 15,000 who take the shuttles.
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That's pretty insensitive! "If you don't like the noise, get out of your own house"?

Folks have the right to not be happy to have a ton of buses running down their quiet street. I wouldn't be happy either. I'd be even more upset if someone responded to me to get out of my own house for a few nights a year if I don't like it.

I made it to my first game against SK and found things went pretty smoothly and there didn't seem to be any traffic issues at all.

Perhaps we could brainstorm solutions as opposed to ripping into those who don't want a ton of buses on their side street, no!?
I sure hope you have a proportionate amount of compassion for the people with much bigger bus problems:

http://www.ottawadalhousie.ca/2014/01/2500-buses-day-no-way.html
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If you moved onto a quiet residential street with turn restrictions, and one day the City decided to override them and allow dozens of buses for the benefit of a private organization they have a financial partnership with.. I think you have the right to be upset.
I don't want to get off track here, but did they actually make any changes to traffic restrictions on the road? Whenever I pass by, the sign has pointed out Lakeside as access to Bronson southbound.

I don't think Fifth or Sunnyside are better options either, as both take the buses past more houses (3-4 times the road length). An option I can see would be continuing them down to Carling and back up to Bronson, but I don't know if it is really necessary. Next game I'll stop by on my bike to see how bad it is myself.
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That's pretty insensitive! "If you don't like the noise, get out of your own house"?

Folks have the right to not be happy to have a ton of buses running down their quiet street. I wouldn't be happy either. I'd be even more upset if someone responded to me to get out of my own house for a few nights a year if I don't like it.

I made it to my first game against SK and found things went pretty smoothly and there didn't seem to be any traffic issues at all.

Perhaps we could brainstorm solutions as opposed to ripping into those who don't want a ton of buses on their side street, no!?
They need to use streets to get there right? At the end of the day, someone is not going to be happy.

Are you perhaps suggesting they fly in? Helicopters tend to be a bit noisy though.
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I don't want to get off track here, but did they actually make any changes to traffic restrictions on the road? Whenever I pass by, the sign has pointed out Lakeside as access to Bronson southbound.
The turn restrictions affected are for the way to the game... right now you can't turn left from Bronson northbound onto Lakeside.
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They need to use streets to get there right? At the end of the day, someone is not going to be happy.

Are you perhaps suggesting they fly in? Helicopters tend to be a bit noisy though.
Ahh sarcasm, I love it.

As was discussed in the CBC article, it looks as though they are going to experiment with other routes as well to see if anything works better. I don't know the area that well, but perhaps there is a possibility to have buses coming in from different directions or something like that so no one street is overburdened.

I know at the end of the day, people aren't going to be happy or satisfied and that's fine. However, I'm in more creative solutions other than having to leave your house if there is a large event on.
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I sure hope you have a proportionate amount of compassion for the people with much bigger bus problems:

http://www.ottawadalhousie.ca/2014/01/2500-buses-day-no-way.html
I definately understand the concerns of residents along Scott Street who are concerned with living alongside an incredibly busy bus route. I know I wouldn't want to.

Personally, as a temporary route/solution, I think the Parkway would have been a better option with buses being redirected through Tunney's Pasture to reconnect to the transitway there (assuming LRT construction would only be going that far?). Otherwise, you could stop at Tunney's off of the Parkway (there is an intersection there) and then stop again at Dominion Station.

Not sure what the best solution for Bayview would be, unless you extend all the Gatineau/Ottawa 105's to include Bayview (through LeBreton).
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Ahh sarcasm, I love it.

As was discussed in the CBC article, it looks as though they are going to experiment with other routes as well to see if anything works better. I don't know the area that well, but perhaps there is a possibility to have buses coming in from different directions or something like that so no one street is overburdened.

I know at the end of the day, people aren't going to be happy or satisfied and that's fine. However, I'm in more creative solutions other than having to leave your house if there is a large event on.
We are on the same page.

You either alternate routes each game or have several different routes each game.

At the end of the day, its either a lot of inconvenience a couple of times a year or less inconvenience each game played.

Have your pick.
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There are 19 houses along Lakeside. Give them each a free season's ticket and add a shuttle bus stop on their street.
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There are 19 houses along Lakeside. Give them each a free season's ticket and add a shuttle bus stop on their street.
That is a great idea! Why not a VIP box?
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