YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[casper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Apparently looking at up to 50 destinations outside the continental US.

"The obvious destinations are New York-Toronto and other high traffic Canada-US routes" says one of the analysts.

So I would think they wouldn't be targeting smaller markets and thinner routes but going for the big ones... I would think mainly Eastern Canada routes with large O+D plus... perhaps YVR-LAX. But I wouldn't think very many other routes would fit into their model.

Given Southwest biggest hubs are places like Chicago and Las Vegas I would they would go there.

When AirTrans was competitor they did this cool video taking jabs at Southwest. Since they do not interline with any Canadian airline I have never ended up on a booking with them. So I don't know if it is as bad as it is made out to be. The lineup posts for zones due look weird.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DdDlPT4Uc

[stiffdeadman]

the article fails to mention that alot of those 5 million people border hopping for flights do so because of exorbitant taxes and other fees that are leached from travellers in canada. southwest would have to deal with that. i don't think their model would be too successful here. point in case, southwest's main western hubs are las vegas, oakland and phoenix. both alaska and us airways had flights from yvr to las vegas. both airlines ditched those flights. alaska of course in favor of bli. another example is frontier which is a similar model to southwest. they tried running yvr-denver. didn't work. now they run bli-denver in the summer and it seems to be doing well as it's come back each summer for the last couple years.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by casper

Given Southwest biggest hubs are places like Chicago and Las Vegas I would they would go there.

When AirTrans was competitor they did this cool video taking jabs at Southwest. Since they do not interline with any Canadian airline I have never ended up on a booking with them. So I don't know if it is as bad as it is made out to be. The lineup posts for zones due look weird.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DdDlPT4Uc

I could see LAS maybe from YVR and YYC, but MDW (their Chicago hub) I don't think there is enough traffic. Southwest is moving more towards a hub system though.

I almost flew WN once from DAL-SAT but ended up out of DFW instead.

I fly UA all the time in the US. Even UA uses the zone "posts" now although you have assigned seating, of course, each gate has 5 zone lines. It always looks so cluttered.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

the article fails to mention that alot of those 5 million people border hopping for flights do so because of exorbitant taxes and other fees that are leached from travellers in canada. southwest would have to deal with that. i don't think their model would be too successful here. point in case, southwest's main western hubs are las vegas, oakland and phoenix. both alaska and us airways had flights from yvr to las vegas. both airlines ditched those flights. alaska of course in favor of bli. another example is frontier which is a similar model to southwest. they tried running yvr-denver. didn't work. now they run bli-denver in the summer and it seems to be doing well as it's come back each summer for the last couple years.

I agree with most of this. It's the additional taxes and fees put on transborder flights. So not much any airline can do about that. Hence why I think there would be very little opportunity in the west. Toronto more likely would work.
I think the BLI factor has reached its height of success as airlines are now starting to retreat on some routes there as well... mainly Hawaii for now.

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like a couple of return rotations next weekend.

AC1137 inbound and AC162 outbound scheduled for 31 July and 1 August.

Will it still be light out at 9:38pm?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

the article fails to mention that alot of those 5 million people border hopping for flights do so because of exorbitant taxes and other fees that are leached from travellers in canada. southwest would have to deal with that. i don't think their model would be too successful here. point in case, southwest's main western hubs are las vegas, oakland and phoenix. both alaska and us airways had flights from yvr to las vegas. both airlines ditched those flights. alaska of course in favor of bli. another example is frontier which is a similar model to southwest. they tried running yvr-denver. didn't work. now they run bli-denver in the summer and it seems to be doing well as it's come back each summer for the last couple years.

US dehubbed LAS and that caused them to exit YVR-LAS.

AS used to have over 40 flights per day out of YVR, this ended when WS started transborder scheduled flights as the traffic left AS for WS.

F9 was an airline with no passengers on DEN-YVR and DEN-YYC. On their misadventure in YYC, I would often see only 10 pax board their flights and then UA go out nearly full. ultimately F9 caused their own demise, they never advertised in the Canadian market and failed to realize the majority of pax were canadian origin.

[Johnny Aussie]

Runway 13/31

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/posts/The_Shifting_Magnetic_North_Pole_Runway_Renumbering_at_YVR.aspx

Is this runway ever used at all anymore?

[casper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I could see LAS maybe from YVR and YYC, but MDW (their Chicago hub) I don't think there is enough traffic. Southwest is moving more towards a hub system though.

I almost flew WN once from DAL-SAT but ended up out of DFW instead.

I fly UA all the time in the US. Even UA uses the zone "posts" now although you have assigned seating, of course, each gate has 5 zone lines. It always looks so cluttered.

WestJet does a daily flight from Vancouver to Chicago during the summer. I have never been on it I would assume being a summer flight it has a fair number of cruise passengers and connecting traffic onto American. I could see Southwest doing the same.

I would view both LAS and MDW as connection points into SW hub. An local traffic is just accidental. Afer all how many people in Vancouver are actually going to Salt Lake City or MSP.

The zone post thing reminders me of grade school. Not certain what that says about how airlines view their passengers. United does have a half dozen different categories of Elite travelers that all need to be treated differently in the boarding order.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Runway 13/31

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/posts/The_Shifting_Magnetic_North_Pole_Runway_Renumbering_at_YVR.aspx

Is this runway ever used at all anymore?

Dash-8's will sometimes use it. And on the rare occasions if the wind is blowing strongly and just right some large planes still do (at least as of last year).

[excel]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Dash-8's will sometimes use it. And on the rare occasions if the wind is blowing strongly and just right some large planes still do (at least as of last year).

YVR no longer does LAHSO (Land and Hold Short Operations) so no dash-8's nor any aircraft will land on 13-31 while the parallels are in use. I have taken off and landed on 13 many times all due to wind. I have however never used 31 as the wind rarely favours this runway. Being 7300ft long it is more than long enough to handle 747s/A340s especially when the winds are down the pipe and usually over 30 knots which warrants the use of the runway in the first place.

[Johnny Aussie]

In addition to the flights on 31 July and 1 Aug...

Tonight's AC 1137 from YYZ and AC 162 to YYZ are being operated by the newest arrival 788.

It is just completing its first revenue flights to YYC and back to YYZ.

It is delayed though so very doubtful for any twilight viewing at all.

[excel]

WestJet announced they have chosen 4 767-300ERW to add to their fleet next year. Posted on their Facebook today.

[connect2source]

Does anyone know where WestJet is sourcing these 767-300ERs from? Are they relatively new ones with Boeings Signature Interiors or old ones with the horrible 80's interiors and tiny over-head bins. Are they ex-AC birds not going to Rouge?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Does anyone know where WestJet is sourcing these 767-300ERs from? Are they relatively new ones with Boeings Signature Interiors or old ones with the horrible 80's interiors and tiny over-head bins. Are they ex-AC birds not going to Rouge?

It is currently unknown where they are coming from, but they will be fully refurbished before entering service.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6140812/1/#1

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http://m.atwonline.com/finance-data/westjet-start-operating-boeing-767s-2015-2q-net-profit-159

[teriyaki]

The 767 with those massive 11foot winglets looks amazing. Can't wait to see these up in the sky. Another reason to make the move to YYC?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

The 767 with those massive 11foot winglets looks amazing. Can't wait to see these up in the sky. Another reason to make the move to YYC?

Rouge 767's have winglets, so you'll see them here for Hawai'i this Fall.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Rouge 767's have winglets, so you'll see them here for Hawai'i this Fall.

Why wait until this Fall... You can see them now.... Condor flies them in 4 times a week!

[connect2source]

Ghim-Lay Yeo 杨锦丽 Deputy Editor (Air Transport) at @Flightglobal Americas Bureau, states that the 767s for WestJet will be sourced from Boeing and will have 262 seats and include premium economy.

https://twitter.com/ghimlay

[Johnny Aussie]

I must be bored...but ... just looked at FR24....There must be some incredible tail winds tonight.

Just looked at the bank of late evening departures from YVR and CX to HKG, BR and CI to TPE and MU to PVG are just hurtling along.

For example, China Eastern, despite leaving about 10 mins late, is expected to arrive in PVG ~ 1 hour 40 minutes early. Makes the long westbound flights more bearable :-)

Haven't seen flight times like that in awhile.

PAL 119 and the CX 95 freighter were both delayed but about 90 minutes shorter flying time as well.

CZ freighter very late and still on the ground though.

[Johnny Aussie]

UK provisional stats have been released for June.

LHR grew by 6,079 passengers compared to June 2013. With AC's increase from the 77W to the HD 77W that would have added 6,540 seats. So an excellent absorption of 93% of the additional capacity. Not bad!

Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_dat...014_Provisional_International_Routes.csv

VS didn't add their 5th weekly until July.