YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 307

Johnny Aussie · #**6121** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 3:35 AM**

Just had a brief look at the upcoming winter scheds for Westjet

Not really that much.... a bit of a yawner actually...

These changes are for the whole of the winter scheds from Nov - March.

YKA gone.... was one daily Encore - didn't last long
YLW goes to 4 daily up from 3 last winter - 2 Westjet, 2 Encore
YXS goes to 5 daily up from 4 last winter - all Encore except one Westjet flight on Saturdays
YXJ goes to 2 daily up from 1 last winter - all Encore

There are also additional frequencies on some of the sun routes and a couple to YYC.

Other than YKA being dropped, I could not see any other routes with frequency reductions.

So all up about 44-45 daily Westjet flights and about 14 daily Encore this winter. Getting close to the 60 daily mark for the whole winter operation. So about 3 daily more than last winter.

twoNeurons · #**6122** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 3:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

JAL and China Southern yes.
ANA no -763s

But yeah this tech stop seemed to get more coverage. Still happy to see YVR taking a better interest in events and news worthy items.

I suppose because we already know 2 daily AC 788s are confirmed already starting with the winter scheds and more to follow....

I'd be surprised if ANA doesn't switch to 787s on this route. Air Canada and JAL BOTH are using 787s to Narita and ANA is flying into the premium destination of Haneda which is only 15 minutes from downtown Tokyo.

I'm guessing ANA has a limited number of 787s, but to be honest their international 787 configuration only has a handful of seats more than the 767 they're using. Then again, maybe they feel that having a flight to Haneda is enough of a competitive edge over JAL and AC that they can get away with getting more miles out of an older plane.

Cage · #**6123** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YKA gone.... was one daily Encore - didn't last long
YLW goes to 4 daily up from 3 last winter - 2 Westjet, 2 Encore

Supports my theory that Okanagan market is one with three airports (YKA, YLW, YYF). Any increase to one airport just steals same traffic from the others. This is especially true to YLW which is sandwiched in the middle. I am to the point where YYF and YKA should be bulldozed and YLW expanded into proper international airport with terminal facilities for up to 3 million pax per annum. One large airport would better serve the Okanagan region.

Cage · #**6124** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

AC talked about starting 787 service to Brisbane. Fact, or just smoke and mirrors?

BNE daily is a 2 aircraft operation. With inly 7 aircraft by the end of the year, it is not probable that AC will launch service. Also AC is currently trying to build out HND-YYZ, then look for South America from YYZ on the 787. 2016 things start to open up from the scheduling perspective.

Daily inter service and 4-5x week summer service to BNE would be a good addition.

Johnny Aussie · #**6125** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 7:30 PM**

As I had mentioned earlier in a previous post and now confirmed.

Thrice weekly rouge 319 flights will operate YVR-PSP from 18 December to 15 April. Flights will operate Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=793

I wouldn't be surprised if we see SAN added within a year as well.

The amount of transborder capacity rouge is adding to the YVR market this winter is incredible.

Re-cap (capacity increase from last winter)

LAX 1 daily 763, 2 daily 319 (+45%)
SFO 3 daily 319 (+40%)
LAS 2 daily 319(+100%)
HNL daily 763 (+55%)
OGG daily 763 (+55%)

PHX new daily 319
PSP new 3 weekly 319

Along with DL's new 4 daily SEA service, AA's new twice daily LAX service, DL's temporary daily LAX flights around Xmas and WS's additional weekly PSP flight.... there don't appear to be any cuts on any route/airline yet....

..... looks like transborder stats will explode this winter.

Derek · #**6126** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 7:44 PM**

Do you think Air Canada/Rouge (or Westjet) will ever start nonstop service to SAN again in the near future?

Johnny Aussie · #**6127** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Derek

Do you think Air Canada/Rouge (or Westjet) will ever start nonstop service to SAN again in the near future?

Funny... I had just edited my post above and had added that line when I read this.

Yes, I do.

Derek · #**6128** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 7:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Funny... I had just edited my post above and had added that line when I read this.

Yes, I do.

Which airline do you think is more likely to start service? Or do you think both AC/Rouge and Westjet could both be serving it in the future? If I recall correctly, YVR is the top international O/D destination from SAN. I'm surprised AC pulled the plug a few years ago. I had flown that flight 5 times and it was packed every time.

Johnny Aussie · #**6129** Posted **Jul 23, 2014, 8:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Derek

Which airline do you think is more likely to start service? Or do you think both AC/Rouge and Westjet could both be serving it in the future? If I recall correctly, YVR is the top international O/D destination from SAN. I'm surprised AC pulled the plug a few years ago. I had flown that flight 5 times and it was packed every time.

Rouge most likely.

Full or not, the yields on the E90 on that route would have been poor.

Gordon · #**6130** Posted **Jul 24, 2014, 7:58 PM**

WS has discontinued their 3rd LaX flight from YVR

craneSpotter · #**6131** Posted **Jul 24, 2014, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I wouldn't be surprised if we see SAN added within a year as well.

The amount of transborder capacity rouge is adding to the YVR market this winter is incredible.

Re-cap (capacity increase from last winter)

LAX 1 daily 763, 2 daily 319 (+45%)
SFO 3 daily 319 (+40%)
LAS 2 daily 319(+100%)
HNL daily 763 (+55%)
OGG daily 763 (+55%)

PHX new daily 319
PSP new 3 weekly 319

..... looks like transborder stats will explode this winter.

Boy, looks like Rouge is really going after Westjet. Maybe Rouge will add SNA too (although I'd prefer LGB - but I think it's at capacity)

trofirhen · #**6132** Posted **Jul 24, 2014, 8:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Boy, looks like Rouge is really going after Westjet. Maybe Rouge will add SNA too, although I'd prefer LGB.

This is all really keen news, but I'm hoping the day will come when Westjet really starts to hammer Air Canada,
maybe with (a few years along), widebodies, and overseas routes. (Be kinda nifty if they joined Skyteam or Oneworld as well, hehe).
Dunno if it's feasible, but one can hope and dream.

Johnny Aussie · #**6133** Posted **Jul 24, 2014, 9:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

WS has discontinued their 3rd LaX flight from YVR

The 3rd flight (5 weekly) is a summer seasonal service. It doesn't operate in the winter.

Johnny Aussie · #**6134** Posted **Jul 25, 2014, 5:00 AM**

Can anyone shed some light on this?

From YVR twitter today....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LPvUxhUtqcs&feature=youtu.be

madog222 · #**6135** Posted **Jul 25, 2014, 5:27 AM**

New buggie fleet?

casper · #**6136** Posted **Jul 25, 2014, 6:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

New buggie fleet?

New buggies of epic proportion that will revolutionize the world or baggage.

In depths investigative journalism will be required to answer the fundamental question of all time: "Will they have cup holders?". It is strange all major airports in Canada appear to have Tim Horton's yet none of the airport have cup-holders on their buggies. Perhaps YVR will be the innovator with improved customs clearance and transfer procedures:
"Passport Control -> Tim Hortons -> Baggage Claim -> Customs -> Recycling Bin -> Skytrain"

Alternatively, I could be completely wrong it could have nothing to do with buggies.

Johnny Aussie · #**6137** Posted **Jul 25, 2014, 6:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

New buggies of epic proportion that will revolutionize the world or baggage.

In depths investigative journalism will be required to answer the fundamental question of all time: "Will they have cup holders?". It is strange all major airports in Canada appear to have Tim Horton's yet none of the airport have cup-holders on their buggies. Perhaps YVR will be the innovator with improved customs clearance and transfer procedures:
"Passport Control -> Tim Hortons -> Baggage Claim -> Customs -> Recycling Bin -> Skytrain"

Alternatively, I could be completely wrong it could have nothing to do with buggies.

Yeah some new fancy baggage carts were what came to mind... Just couldn't quite get the mystery... That innovative?

trofirhen · #**6138** Posted **Jul 25, 2014, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Can anyone shed some light on this?

From YVR twitter today....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LPvUxhUtqcs&feature=youtu.be

It might have something to do with improved security facilities for mobility-challenged people. I got a vague impression of a wheelchair being securely fastened ....
but it's still very cryptic, I must admit.

craneSpotter · #**6139** Posted **Jul 26, 2014, 3:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

This is all really keen news, but I'm hoping the day will come when Westjet really starts to hammer Air Canada,
maybe with (a few years along), widebodies, and overseas routes. (Be kinda nifty if they joined Skyteam or Oneworld as well, hehe).
Dunno if it's feasible, but one can hope and dream.

I would really like to see Rouge stick it to Westjet! haha Means lower prices...

and this...!!!

Southwest eyes northern push, threatening Air Canada, WestJet

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...ning-air-canada-westjet/article19783679/

Although I'd rather see JetBlue

Southwest would be great competition for the leisure/infrequent flyer market that Westjet and Rouge cater to.

Johnny Aussie · #**6140** Posted **Jul 26, 2014, 3:54 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

I would really like to see Rouge stick it to Westjet! haha Means lower prices...

and this...!!!

Southwest eyes northern push, threatening Air Canada, WestJet

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...ning-air-canada-westjet/article19783679/

Although I'd rather see JetBlue

Southwest would be great competition for the leisure/infrequent flyer market that Westjet and Rouge cater to.

Apparently looking at up to 50 destinations outside the continental US.

"The obvious destinations are New York-Toronto and other high traffic Canada-US routes" says one of the analysts.

So I would think they wouldn't be targeting smaller markets and thinner routes but going for the big ones... I would think mainly Eastern Canada routes with large O+D plus... perhaps YVR-LAX. But I wouldn't think very many other routes would fit into their model.