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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 4:52 AM
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Out of the hundreds of people stuck, you don't think there was at least one guy who was almost home and holding it in until he got there? I feel so bad for that guy.
This is a major reason why I empty the bladder before I leave the office, even if I don't really have to go.

But the men could slightly open the door enough to allow their fluid extraction device to pop through and relieve themselves. Too bad for the women or anyone suffering from explosive diarrhea. Do biohazards on the train count as a legit reason to exit between stations?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 2:44 PM
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Because major traffic jams never happen, right? Accidents on three major crossings. Takes two-three hours to drive home. All a myth?
Real time traffic info, alternate routes, air conditioning and a good stereo make it pretty bearable.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 2:48 PM
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Don't feed the troll.
Usually what IBB frequenters say when they have no cogent counterargument and/or are too idealogically blinkered to see other points of view.

Exactly why people like you and certain transit/city planners will never get why people continue to drive despite all the social engineering attempts to get them to switch to other modes.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 4:28 PM
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Personally I'd let this failure slide. It wasn't like there was an advance warning or an existing quirk. Everything was fine one second and the next everything went to hell. It was a fault so obscure and so unexpected that it took hours to conclude it was the I/O card. Perhaps if it happens again in the next ten years or so it might be then a better time to look into newer or redundant systems but if this was a freak accident I doubt it will happen again any time soon unless TransLink for some reason has been scaling back system inspections or routine part replacements which might of prevented this.
Could of been worse. Remember the brake shoe incident?
All the whining is is to be completely expected when any transit system suffers a crippling failure. The SkyTrain is only singled out because it's automatic and for years the GVRD has been divided over using it or light rail so don't be surprised when blogs and newspapers flare up with rants and opinion pieces in the next month (I'm positive railforthevalley will be chiming on this one). They'll die down with time but unless TransLink handles the incident correctly it might come back to haunt them.

That being said, leaving passengers on the trains beyond 45 minutes was too far. They should of had staff walking down the guideway by then to walk people back to the stations (or they could of still manually rolled down the track at a greatly reduced speed and honking the horn like an angry driver). I may love the Mk. I but being stuck in one for over an hour in the 5PM rush would drive me crazy.

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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 5:39 PM
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Personally I'd let this failure slide. It wasn't like there was an advance warning or an existing quirk. Everything was fine one second and the next everything went to hell. It was a fault so obscure and so unexpected that it took hours to conclude it was the I/O card. Perhaps if it happens again in the next ten years or so it might be then a better time to look into newer or redundant systems but if this was a freak accident I doubt it will happen again any time soon unless TransLink for some reason has been scaling back system inspections or routine part replacements which might of prevented this.

Could of been worse. Remember the brake shoe incident?

All the whining is is to be completely expected when any transit system suffers a crippling failure. The SkyTrain is only singled out because it's automatic and for years the GVRD has been divided over using it or light rail so don't be surprised when blogs and newspapers flare up with rants and opinion pieces in the next month (I'm positive railforthevalley will be chiming on this one). They'll die down with time but unless TransLink handles the incident correctly it might come back to haunt them.
No freaking way should anyone let this failure slide! All those newspaper flare ups and blogs, even Rail for Valley's, do highlight a legitimate concern with any automated system...they will eventually fail!

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with Skytrain vs LRT, and those blogs, flare ups and commentaries that you easily dismiss just because your a fan of Skytrain or the Mark Is only highlight the sheer bias to unconditionally cheer for a system you personally like. Its not a perfect system, and those concerns are valid, given the enormity of this incident, not one of them should be dismissed.

The Skytrain system is getting old, and with the upcoming Evergreen Line extension in 2016, the Broadway subway (if Gregor wins ), and more and more condos being built along the line, more and more people will be relying on it for their daily lives. It is imperative that system failures are to be avoided at all costs, IT MUST NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!

The fact that Translink has no backup system in place shows a huge ineptness on their part! No surprise since they would rather spend the money to make stations and older, un-airconditioned Mark Is look pretty than to ensure the entire system doesn't fail and disrupt the lives of thousands of commuters! This backup system should have been in place a long time ago!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 5:49 PM
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If you think the station upgrades are made to things "look pretty" you are deluded. The impact of better station access on a daily basis will trump any backup system.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 6:13 PM
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Usually what IBB frequenters say when they have no cogent counterargument and/or are too idealogically blinkered to see other points of view.
The name of this thread is "Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion". I think people are bored of you trying to turn every thread into a car vs. whatever debate.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 6:26 PM
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The name of this thread is "Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion". I think people are bored of you trying to turn every thread into a car vs. whatever debate.
Transit: the carrying of people, goods, or materials from one place to another.

Includes cars

Made the switch from public transportation to driving after nearly two decades. Best decision, the added costs are made up for with convenience and saved time.

Back in 2006, was trapped in a rush hour train in the dunsmuir tunnel for nearly an hour. Worst time of my life.

never again.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 10:55 PM
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VCC1 is from Waterfront to between Royal Oak and Edmonds.
VCC2 is from Edmonds to King George, but also includes the Millenium Line up to the pocket track between Braid and Lougheed.
VCC3 is the OMC and yard.
VCC4 is the Millennium Line (from Lougheed to VCC-Clark).

VCC2 is the one that went down today, so no service between Royal Oak and King George, but also no service on the Millennium Line for Braid and Sapperton.
Useful info, but what does "VCC" stand for?

Other than VCC (Vancouver Community College) -Clark or VCC (Vancouver City Centre) stations?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 11:30 PM
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The name of this thread is "Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion". I think people are bored of you trying to turn every thread into a car vs. whatever debate.
LOL, right, can 'cause you can absolutely discuss a major transit fail without examining the other options.

As Tetsuo's post illustrates, everybody makes their own commuting choices based on the money/time/convenience factors. What works for sanctimnious downtown dwellers in their insular 10 block bubble doesn't work for everybody else.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2014, 11:43 PM
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Vehicle control computer (VCC). is my best guess.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2014, 1:16 AM
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Vehicle control computer (VCC). is my best guess.
Yes, Vehicle Control Computer.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2014, 1:40 AM
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Close but no cigar.

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SkyTrain uses the Thales (formerly Alcatel) SelTrac communications based moving block system to provide the functions of automatic train operation, protection and regulation through the following three-tier hierarchy:

Vehicle On-Board Control (VOBC): a dual processor computer on the train that controls propulsion, braking, direction and door operation, and monitors speed and critical faults.

Vehicle Control Centre (VCC): the computer group located at the BCRTC Operations and Maintenance Centre that controls track switches and the safe distance between trains through a radio frequency inductive loop cable that is fixed between the running rails. SkyTrain has four VCC territories (Expo Line West, Expo Line East, Millennium Line, and the yard). Each territory is controlled by its own set of three IBM micro-computers running in synchronization to ensure consistency of safety-critical actions and to provide redundancy in case of failure.

System Management Centre (SMC): the supervisory level that performs system-wide schedule regulation of trains and provides the primary interface for SkyTrain Control Operators in routing and monitoring trains. Operator workstations and graphical mimics are linked to a pair of servers through an Ethernet LAN. A major system upgrade was completed in mid-2012, switching from the OS/2 based Selnet SMC to the Windows-based NetTrac.
http://www.translink.ca/en/About-Us/Corp...panies/BCRTC/Fleet-and-Technologies.aspx
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2014, 1:47 AM
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A major system upgrade was completed in mid-2012, switching from the OS/2 based Selnet SMC to the Windows-based NetTrac.
EWWWWW! A Windows software solution!

Okay I officially retract my previous statements of optimism. They have it coming for them.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2014, 5:57 AM
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EWWWWW! A Windows software solution!

Okay I officially retract my previous statements of optimism. They have it coming for them.
If it's any consolation, I believe that's just for the scheduling system and the interface that the control operators use for sending commands to the VCC.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2014, 6:50 AM
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Yea it's just the interface (bad enough).
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2014, 2:40 PM
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Okay, that's more reassuring.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2014, 7:31 PM
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The Skytrain network (everything) is in a system wide hold until further notice.

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12:30 Expect delays on transit. @Translink says #SkyTrain service is stopped until further notice.
https://twitter.com/news1130traffic/status/491304110885711873

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#SkyTrain Due to a technical issue, all trains are holding. Please be patient and stay in the vehicles as the tracks are still powered. ^ts
https://twitter.com/TransLink/status/491305308095254528

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#SkyTrain Due to the technical issues we cannot communicate with the cars in the system or on the platforms. Thank you for your patience.^ts
https://twitter.com/TransLink/status/491305947508137984

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@Translink says no ETA on a fix to another system wide problem that has shut down Expo/M-line incl closing all stations.
https://twitter.com/WoodfordCKNW980/status/491309628811005952

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Old Posted Jul 21, 2014, 7:56 PM
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What a catastrophe.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2014, 8:05 PM
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If you think the station upgrades are made to things "look pretty" you are deluded. The impact of better station access on a daily basis will trump any backup system.


     
     
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