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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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The lansdowne project is trivial? Based on results, I suppose you're right.


No (as you know), the whole bellyaching about the term "world class" being used in reference to it.
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With the first game coming up (got my tickets!), I have a question - perhaps the good posters here might know the answer.

Is O-Train included in the game day transit network? I'm trying to plan my trip from the Tunney's Pasture area - I'm thinking that if I took O-Train to Carleton and then hopped the shuttle to the stadium, it might be the easiest option?

Anyone know?
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The lansdowne project is trivial? Based on results, I suppose you're right.
Should only cause trivial impact on traffic/parking and general concern to Glebites then.
I know one very grumpy man who will cheer at this revelation!



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With the first game coming up (got my tickets!), I have a question - perhaps the good posters here might know the answer.

Is O-Train included in the game day transit network? I'm trying to plan my trip from the Tunney's Pasture area - I'm thinking that if I took O-Train to Carleton and then hopped the shuttle to the stadium, it might be the easiest option?

Anyone know?
You get free transit on any OC Transpo route with your ticket, so yes, the O-Train is included

Note that with summer construction on the O-Train line, it ends very early right now--the last train is at about 9:30 or so.
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"Workers carefully lower the TD PLACE sign into place atop the massive scoreboard."





from: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/editorial-ottawa-can-be-more-than-a-hockey-town
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"The city doesn't care about us."

Mitigating factor, I guess: no 9/11 comparison. Yet.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/cit...king-signs-after-error-1.2706863?cmp=rss
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"The city doesn't care about us."

Mitigating factor, I guess: no 9/11 comparison. Yet.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/cit...king-signs-after-error-1.2706863?cmp=rss
You know though, as annoying as it can be to hear some of these people make a huge deal out of minor matters, for crying out loud, stop creating the opportunity.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2014, 3:19 PM
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Does anyone know where the TV cameras will be located during games? I'm assuming the south side since that's where the press boxes are? Is that right?
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My favourite comment from that article:

Why would they petition for a one-hour maximum versus a three-hour limit? Potentially three times the arrivals/departures for each space. And the people who overstay only generate more ticket revenue for the city, which won't directly benefit homeowners on a given block. Seems short-sighted to me.
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My favourite comment from that article:

Why would they petition for a one-hour maximum versus a three-hour limit? Potentially three times the arrivals/departures for each space. And the people who overstay only generate more ticket revenue for the city, which won't directly benefit homeowners on a given block. Seems short-sighted to me.
Does the one hour also apply to residents and their guests?
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Telus inks 10-year deal with OSEG

OBJ Staff, Published on July 14, 2014


Promising Canada’s most advanced fan experience, the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group announced Monday it is partnering with Telus to provide free Wi-Fi at TD Place and unique content for OSEG’s sports franchises.

Under the 10-year-deal, Telus will be the official telecommunications supplier for TD Place, the Ottawa RedBlacks, Ottawa Fury and Ottawa 67’s.

"Several years ago, when we began researching the elements that differentiate a good fan experience from a great one, we learned that free high-speed Wi-Fi and access to unique content were critically important," OSEG CEO Bernie Ashe said in a statement. "Telus understands it's not just about the technology; it's about enhancing relationships with guests and giving them the ability to exchange information, photos and videos with friends in the stadium or anywhere in the world, without thinking about bandwidth or data plan minutes.”

Telus will operate Cisco StadiumVision at TD Place, providing live coverage, unique video features and other material on the more than 400 high definition screens throughout the stadium, which is home to the Canadian Football League’s RedBlacks and the North American Soccer League’s Fury.

The partnership also means football fans will have access to RedBlacks-related content on the official RedBlacks app, which was designed by Telus and will be available for Android, iPhone and iPad users.

http://www.obj.ca/Local/Sports-and-enter...elus-inks-10-year-deal-with-OSEG%0D%0A/1
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Pics from Jim Watson's twitter account.


"The scoreboard is up, running and looks amazing! Here it is with a waving Canadian Flag at TD place!"


"Just saw the first sod being installed for urban park! Looks amazing! At last the Park is back at Lansdowne!"

A post by the Ottawa Sun said they may finish laying the grass by Saturday.
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Does the one hour also apply to residents and their guests?
I think in reality it was mostly done out of spite. The 1 hour does not apply to residents who have a permit. (which you have for) These are the only residents who will benefit. I think you will still find a lot of people who will park there when shopping or eating after work so the first few blocks at least will still be very busy with even more turnover.

It seems to me it should be metered for the first few blocks.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2014, 8:30 PM
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Metered parking is not a bad idea!

Not sure the glebites would appreciate the ticket dispensing machines on their streets.



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I think in reality it was mostly done out of spite. The 1 hour does not apply to residents who have a permit. (which you have for) These are the only residents who will benefit. I think you will still find a lot of people who will park there when shopping or eating after work so the first few blocks at least will still be very busy with even more turnover.

It seems to me it should be metered for the first few blocks.
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My favourite comment from that article:

Why would they petition for a one-hour maximum versus a three-hour limit? Potentially three times the arrivals/departures for each space. And the people who overstay only generate more ticket revenue for the city, which won't directly benefit homeowners on a given block. Seems short-sighted to me.
Par for the course, really...
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Yes, in my backyard; Lansdowne could be great

Jonathan McLeod, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 15, 2014, Last Updated: July 15, 2014 3:46 PM EDT


It’s my backyard.

(Well, not literally.)

I moved into the Glebe two years ago. Knowing the Glebe’s NIMBY reputation (“Not In My BackYard”), I took the plunge and moved in two blocks away from Lansdowne. I supported the development, but knew my life would contain living room-shaking piledriving and smoke-spewing trucks up and down Bank Street for a few years. Nonetheless, this is where I wanted to be. I am the anti-NIMBY. I see the concept behind the Lansdowne rejuvenation, and I know that I want that as my backyard.

It has been years since we in Ottawa first discussed, or championed, or protested the Lansdowne re-development project. Now we have highrises and commitments from bland chain stores. It is easy to forget the original vision.

We were to have a “unique urban village”, a world-class mix of work, play and life that complemented the adjacent neighbourhooods of the Glebe and Old Ottawa South. These are closely built communities with mixed-use development, ample sources of leisure and recreation, and infrastructure that is, generally speaking, conducive to walking.

Lansdowne was to be built to these specifications. Open spaces would abound; we would have a year-round farmers market and an expansive urban park that would open Lansdowne to the view of the canal.

The Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group (OSEG) clearly understands the nuts-and-bolts of the urban village concept. Lansdowne is designed to be a walkable, liveable place with spaces for various aspects of life. People will reside there, work there, play there and shop there, but the question is, will people truly live there?

It is easy to express a desire to emulate the community success of the Glebe, but if you view the Glebe merely as a sum of its location, businesses and income, you do not understand why the Glebe is so loved by its residents. It is about community.

This community exists because of the intertwined lives of people. People are out on the streets, running errands, walking dogs and sitting on patios. They are chatting with friends. On the day I moved in, I had to navigate around a circle of neighbours at the end of my street who had their easels and brushes out. They were sitting, painting the neighbourhood.

It was lovely.

There are many drawbacks to the NIMBY attitude, but there is an underlying devotion to community. That impulse should be cherished.

OSEG’s vision to “complement” the neighbourhoods of the Glebe and Old Ottawa South is sound. They have researched the optimum retail component and have designed areas that can host a variety of community events. Unfortunately, it is one thing to have the vision and the tools; it is another to have the skill necessary to implement that vision. OSEG appear to have more of the former rather than the latter.

So what has gone wrong? It’s rather simple. OSEG has turned its back on the Glebe, quite literally.

Holmwood Ave., the northern boundary of Lansdowne, has been irreparably scarred. The towering back of a movie theatre blots out the vista that used to know a quiet park and beloved trees. Even with a row of micro-townhouses to be built, the imagery of Lansdowne mooning this lovely little street is unmistakeable. We can commend OSEG for finally doing something with the ruins of Lansdowne while also acknowledging that they have severely wronged the residents of Holmwood.

But Lansdowne won’t thrive or fail based on its impact on Holmwood. As with a good book or a first love, we will value most what is on the inside. And like many books and many more past loves, Lansdowne is a decided mix of good and bad.

Much of Lansdowne’s design is irrefutably beautiful. The urban park, the skating rink, the pavilion, the children’s area — these are all wonderful transformations of what was a crumbling parking lot. They will give a fuller, livelier existence than just a residential or commercial development. They will give time. Time to linger. Time to just live. And like the most vibrant urban neighbourhoods, Lansdowne should be about living. We may think of urban environments as cold, dead swaths of concrete, but they are our most densely-packed areas. With ample social interaction, they can maximize human living.

Lansdowne was to be this sort of “authentic” urban village, but in their drive for authentic authenticity, they have ignored the need for community. Despite assurances of unique boutique retailers, we are getting Winners. And Jack Astor’s. And PetSmart. We are getting establishments that superficially play into the original vision, but demonstrate a lack of understanding of the connections between urban dwellers and their neighbourhood. The development needs to be coherent to thrive. Right now, it isn’t.

This is the contradiction within OSEG’s apparent plan to turn Lansdowne into a destination shopping experience. Cars require a lot of space, but urban communities must be scaled for people. The retail mix demonstrates a disconnect between the various aspects of Lansdowne.

Lansdowne, as a residence, is being marketed as the newest hip urban experience. It aligns nicely with the compositions of the Glebe and Old Ottawa South, while still maintaining its own character — smaller dwellings, no single-family homes. This is not the Winners/Jack Astor’s crowd. The residential development is a good match for small boutique stores. Unfortunately, if the retail mix does not attract the local crowd, it will need a car-heavy commuter class to survive.

But Lansdowne cannot rely upon people living hermetically sealed lives — from single-family home to their car, from their car to a parking garage, to a store and back again. The suburban mall or big box store approach will fail, likely subverting the very neighbourhoods the site is supposed to complement.

We need people out of their cars — walking, biking or taking the bus. We need them interacting and living in the new community. Living isn’t merely buying something or watching a game. It is seeing people, greeting people and being people.

Sometimes, you only get one shot. Lansdowne is a perfectly placed for a new urban development. If OSEG can achieve the vision of a vibrant urban village, they will have transformed a dilapidated parking lot and crumbling stadium into a wonderful new gathering place for all of Ottawa. They have a vision, and although they are straying from this vision, the blunders are not insurmountable. Lansdowne still possesses the potential to be amazing.

I look forward to having you over to my backyard.

Jonathan McLeod is a general fellow with the Canadian Council for Democracy. He writes about local matters at stepsfromthecanal.wordpress.com.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/yes-in-my-backyard
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[B]Yes, in my backyard; Lansdowne could be great

So what has gone wrong? It’s rather simple. OSEG has turned its back on the Glebe, quite literally.

Holmwood Ave., the northern boundary of Lansdowne, has been irreparably scarred. The towering back of a movie theatre blots out the vista that used to know a quiet park and beloved trees. Even with a row of micro-townhouses to be built, the imagery of Lansdowne mooning this lovely little street is unmistakeable. We can commend OSEG for finally doing something with the ruins of Lansdowne while also acknowledging that they have severely wronged the residents of Holmwood.
I don't think it's fair to judge whether the Holmwood frontage will be successful when the townhomes haven't been built yet. They will all have front doors on the street so it's far from clear that they will be a travesty against the street.
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I know that the change in the parking rules was not because the City was after additional ticket revenue -- media reports earlier this year, suggested that the City legal department's opinion was that any restrictions on street parking around Lansdowne would run counter to the City's agreement with OSMUG -- the change to the parking rules was due to petitioning by neighbouring residents.

As one of the petitioners, I can tell you that the change to the parking rules is not primarily to do with game days, it's to prevent neighbouring residential streets from becoming permanent overflow parking for the shopping centre and the mega-Cineplex.

I think it's unlikely that there will be a higher degree of parking churn, with people parking for only an hour then dutifully leaving so another person can park. I know that unless I am just doing a VERY quick pickup, I get anxious about parking somewhere with only 1-hour parking, because it really isn't enough time to do much.

That's kind of the idea.

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Why would they petition for a one-hour maximum versus a three-hour limit? Potentially three times the arrivals/departures for each space. And the people who overstay only generate more ticket revenue for the city, which won't directly benefit homeowners on a given block. Seems short-sighted to me.
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While several of the buildings on Holmwood will be masked by the townhouses, even after the houses are pasted on to the back of the mega-Cineplex, there will still be another 5 or 6 storeys of bland ugliness mooning the neighbourhood.

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I don't think it's fair to judge whether the Holmwood frontage will be successful when the townhomes haven't been built yet. They will all have front doors on the street so it's far from clear that they will be a travesty against the street.
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While several of the buildings on Holmwood will be masked by the townhouses, even after the houses are pasted on to the back of the mega-Cineplex, there will still be another 5 or 6 storeys of bland ugliness mooning the neighbourhood.
Citing previous examples of faulty math on your part, I sincerely doubt this in case. I also doubt you know what a "storey" is and can count how many fall above or below three floors of townhouses.
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