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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2014, 3:12 PM
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Your tears about this whole thing sustain my interest in this thread.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2014, 3:19 PM
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But just imagine how "pleasantly surprised" people in the Glebe might have been if, instead of LabbyOB announcing a backdoor deal with OSMUG, he had instead announced the launching of a public dialogue about "what is the best use for Lansdowne"?
Well, funny thing about that, I had MANY opportunities to voice my suggestions, ideas and preferences. It's unfortunate that you squandered yours, but I know it must be someone else's fault.

Mind you, I didn't take a "my way or the highway" attitude, or decide that the final product had to match my perfect vision, so that probably plays into it too.

You might also note that I used non-Lansdowne examples in the quotes I provided. It takes so little for Glebe residents to be "concerned" that examples are easy to find. Living in constant fear like that must be exhausting.

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Is this something else you're jealous and bitter about? At least it's new material, I'll grant you that...
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2014, 4:06 PM
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And unfortunately, about half of the Golden Triangle was plowed under and made a high-rise jungle, in the same era of wholesale slum clearance that deleted communities in Lebreton Flats, St. Jamestown, Africville, etc. and that certainly threatened the Glebe and Centretown.

You're right though, the Glebe was seen as rather dodgy from about 1945 to 1980. As in so many North American cities, many middle-class folks headed to the new suburbs, and the older city neighbourhoods increasingly became the domain of students, working-class folks and new Canadians.

I love this quote from the heritage architect, John Leaning, about the reaction of a colleague to his dirty secret -- that he lived in the Glebe:
While serving as architect to the National Capital Commission during the early sixties, I was writing about how the Glebe and Third Avenue in particular was a good place to live, but how it could be better. A junior property manager with the Commission who was at the time living somewhere in outer suburbia came to me one day, saying that he had heard about my Glebe writings, but that he thought I should keep quiet. The Glebe, he thought, was a bit of a slum, especially on the eastern older side, and not an address to shout about.
--The Story of the Glebe

But eventually, the students who started living in the Glebe to be close to the new Rideau campus of Carleton University, stayed after graduation to be close to jobs downtown, or maybe just because they liked the well-treed streets and characterful buildings, and started buying and repairing houses, that had been neglected by absentee landlords for decades.

At that time, revitalization was about fixing old houses. Unfortunately, today, because the Glebe has become so affluent, it's more likely that old houses will be torn down to knock up a couple of lot-line to lot-line glass and steel box, which while it must be nice to live inside of, is a jarring change from the rest of the streeet. Unfortunately, the rising affluence means that the community is being slowly devoured, replaced by identical Hobin-inspired terrariums. And the Lansdowne scheme is more of the same.

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Ah, yes, the Glebe needed revitalizing, it still does. In 1976 my parents purchased their house on Powell Avenue and were prodded by friends and family that they were moving into the slums....(Fair enough; things have changed.) When i grew up in this town, the Golden Triangle was something the unlucky student played in music class, Hintonburg was Mechanics Ville.... and so on. So we are all used to, by now, the sanctimonious whining and whimpering of our un-evolved knuckle dragging, government subservient counterpart/overlords, in the Glebe.

Anyone who thinks Ottawa doesn't need revitalizing should march down to city hall and find out why the LRT is being built, hwy expansions, bridges replaced.... and infrastructure everywhere is being tweaked, and let's not forget all those recent water-main-breaks (sink holes), oh and how many yrs have they been cleaning our Parliament buildings -and how long was it overdue??? -and dont forget that most people in this town are still sucking their chlorinated, fluoridated drinking water through lead pipes.... maybe this is where the malleable cud chewers and group thinkers have all derived their apathetic sentimentality from?

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It will no doubt be run like a mini-police state, with OSMUGtroopers knocking heads of those who don't toe the line. Unruly children will be "disappeared".
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"A movie theater MAY be located in this building"

Still not official?!
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"A movie theater MAY be located in this building"

Still not official?!
At this point, it's officially a Cineplex Odion.
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I guess although Southsiders can now satisfy themselves with having architecturally-unusual stands, they'll also have to accept that when it's rainy, South-side really does still 🞵🞵🞵🞵.

Also, they'll be immediately identifiable by the horizontal lines sunburned onto the backs of their necks. So, Northsiders, it will be really easy for you to know who to pick on!
I can hear a chorus of Southsiders scream 'n chant: "alecz_dad 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵! alecz_dad 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵! alecz_dad 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵! Now wouldn't that beloverly?
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The people who tricked you into believing TD Place is world class are now calling the strandherd bridge ottawa's Eiffel Tower. I rest my case.
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The people who tricked you into believing TD Place is world class are now calling the strandherd bridge ottawa's Eiffel Tower. I rest my case.
Laughed my 🞵🞵🞵 off when Watson said that. What a dip 🞵🞵🞵🞵 comment.
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For Lansdowne, the hard part comes later

Joanne Chianello, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 13, 2014, Last Updated: July 13, 2014 8:04 PM EDT


The slight panic on Roger Greenberg’s face during a media tour of the Lansdowne stadium under construction last fall was unmistakable.

Faced with reporters’ questions about TD Place and Lansdowne’s massive retail centre opening this summer, the frontman for the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group seemed a little stunned that some didn’t realize that the new shops and restaurants won’t be ready to open for business until the end of 2014 at the earliest — and some not until January.

“You don’t just open 360,000 square feet all at once,” said Greenberg.

It’s a message he’s repeated many times since that October 2013 press conference. Greenberg doesn’t want football fans looking to grab a beer or a post-game bite to be disappointed to discover that none of the retail section of the development will be open until weeks after the Redblacks’ first season ends.

(But that doesn’t mean the inaugural season of our latest CFL franchise isn’t the perfect opportunity to showcase some of the area’s culinary offerings, so this Thursday Citizen food writer Laura Robin will share her picks for eating in the stands, on the site and in the neighbourhood nearby.)

Greenberg’s emphasis on what will and won’t be ready by this Friday’s Redblacks’ home-opener highlights the under-discussed reality that this major redevelopment isn’t so much a unified project as four distinct ones. And the four Lansdowne developments are not all created equal.

There’s the $129-million rebuilt and re-imagined football (and soccer) stadium; the $37-million urban park on the west bank of the Rideau Canal; a 360,000 square-foot retail complex; and a residential development that includes two condos towers and mostly sold-out town homes on Holmwood Avenue.

It’s lucky that the stadium and the park — set to open next month with an old-fashioned picnic to which the entire city is invited — are the first two parts ready to go of a project seven years in the making. They are Lansdowne’s least controversial elements.

Sure, there were serious questions about whether a major sporting facility should be situated in a location not served by a single major transportation route, let alone whether Ottawa would support a CFL franchise (a subject tackled this week by the Citizen’s Michael Woods). For better or worse, that debate is long over. And to give due credit to the OSEG organization, it appears to have thrown everything it has at the daunting challenge of moving upwards of 24,000 fans to and from the stadium on game day.

(Check out this Thursday’s Citizen for an interview with the OSEG employee whose professional reputation is on the line this week. No, it’s not Redblacks quarterback Henry Burris — it’s Hassan Madhoun, OSEG’s transportation guru who’s charged with making sure the plan goes smoothly.)

Those issues aside, it’s a fair bet that the city is by and large enthusiastic about the new stadium. Obviously, football fans are over the moon. For the rest of us, there’s an undeniable thrill in the air for something this big to be happening in our too-often quiet little capital. Just the thought of 24,000 fans singing O Canada in the outdoor stadium on a beautiful summer night is enough to choke up the sentimentalists among us.

Next month, the rest of the public sphere of the project — including two heritage gems, the Horticulture Building and the Aberdeen Pavilion — will be launched with considerable fanfare, fulfilling the city’s pledge to put the “park” back in Lansdowne Park, as Mayor Jim Watson is fond of saying.

Who can seriously stand against the urban park? Ottawa’s central core is sorely lacking in green space, and this will be a welcome addition, as well as an enhancement, to our UNESCO World Heritage-designated canal.

Later this year, though, the more controversial segment of this project starts to materialize: a huge Cineplex movie theatre, a Whole Foods groceteria, a Sporting Life store, an LCBO. At about 360,000 square feet, the sheer magnitude of the retail development has many detractors. This was supposed to be a “unique urban village,” but for many the planned retail mix is already shaping up as a letdown. While OSEG will no doubt meet its obligation to city council to deliver 40 per cent new-to-Ottawa retailers or unique “retail concepts,” the recent announcement that a 20,000 square-foot Winners will be joining the somewhat uninspiring list of tenants at Lansdowne has only exacerbated that sense of disappointment many feel about the shopping area.

Will Lansdowne’s retail development be special enough to attract residents from across the city on days when the Redblacks or the Fury aren’t playing? That’s the real threat to this viability of this project — not how to handle the traffic on special events.

With as many as 1,000 moving into the site’s new town homes and condos — some of which have an occupancy slated for this fall — a few on-location customers are guaranteed for Lansdowne’s shopping area. Yet, for the retail segment of the project to success, an average of 3,000 to 5,000 shoppers need to visit every day.

It’s not hard to persuade the city to embrace a new hometown team playing in a shiny, new-ish stadium. It’s less obvious that we’ll be collectively enamoured with another shopping centre, even one with a glamorous grocery store.

So savour this week’s excitement. There’s no guarantee we’ll feel quite this way about Lansdowne again.

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Laughed my 🞵🞵🞵 off when Watson said that. What a dip 🞵🞵🞵🞵 comment.
I was at the opening; it was obviously meant to be a very tongue-in-cheek comment. It got a good laugh. Unfortunately it was reported as if he was serious.
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I rest my case.
Quoted for future accountability.
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I was at the opening; it was obviously meant to be a very tongue-in-cheek comment. It got a good laugh. Unfortunately it was reported as if he was serious.
So am I to believe that the hyperbole surrounding lansdowne was also tongue in cheek?
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So am I to believe that the hyperbole surrounding lansdowne was also tongue in cheek?
Well that didn't last long...
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Well that didn't last long...
I'm not on trial here
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It's gotta be tough being so angry all the time.
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It's gotta be tough being so angry all the time.
Especially about something so trivial.
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Especially about something so trivial.
The lansdowne project is trivial? Based on results, I suppose you're right.
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