Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

99 West feels very art deco to me. When I first saw it after having been away during CCC construction, I thought it was an homage to that architecture style. I love it.
I think it was the best addition to the skyline. That's looking at Height, style, and most of all, location. Looking SE, it fills the gap. Looking north, it expands the skyline very nicely.

It most definitely is, and I agree with you. I really wish Salt Lake had more Art Deco towers like those in New York and Chicago.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

Correct. Race or ethnic background does not necessarily equal immigrant. Immigrations come in waves. There were Polish, Irish, Italian ect. Being an immigrant was a big part of their culture when those waves happened. Most of the Mexicans are first generation or raised by first generation parents.

I'd guess most latinos are third generation by now.

[delts145]

That is definitely going to make a huge difference when those three towers are completed.

Originally Posted by Old&New

Think of what the skyline would look like from this angle with a new tallest (CCH) on RWP.

[delts145]

Utahns' satisfaction with downtown Salt Lake City is on the rise


Ravell Call, Deseret News

Morgan Jacobsen, Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/86560...ntown-Salt-Lake-City-is-on-the-rise.html

SALT LAKE CITY — For George Thaut, living in downtown Salt Lake City brings vibrancy to everyday life.

"I've always loved being in the city," Thaut said. "I love being in the center of everything. … There's so much to do here and it's all so convenient."

Mark Rogers, an equity real estate agent for Clearwater Homes, says he hears similar expressions from others living downtown...

...A recent survey by the Downtown Alliance showed that 52 percent of Utahns feel a sense of ownership and connection with downtown Salt Lake City — up 8 percent since last year and 18 percent since 2009.

In an effort to increase community satisfaction further, the Downtown Alliance plans to place a greater focus on residential development in and around the downtown central business district.

Several developments are nearing completion, such as the Broadway Park Lofts where Thaut lives. The building at 360 W. 300 South features 82 units adjacent to Pioneer Park and will be completed next month.

Jason Mathis, executive director of the Downtown Alliance, says residential development, particularly targeting young people, adds to the dynamic environment of downtown...


...Linda Wardell, general manager at City Creek Center, says places like the center have become more than a place to shop and eat. Some visitors use the center as a venue for business meetings; others use it as their walking route to work.

Whatever the reason, Wardell hopes residents and visitors continue to find new ways to use the area.

"We're thrilled to see that because that makes City Creek Center a part of the fabric of their lives," Wardell said. "And by having City Creek Center as a part of their lives, that means that downtown has become a habit and downtown has become a part of their lives as well."

Rogers said City Creek Center, in addition to contributing retail tax revenues, offers yet another reason for people to make downtown their home.

"I think it's been a big factor in bringing people back into the city as a place to live," Rogers said. "Not just to be entertained and not just to work, but also to be living there. And I think we're going to continue to grow in that aspect."...


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[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by delts145

LOL, I love your sense of humor S.P.! I'm so glad your actively posting again.

I cherish you too.

Originally Posted by Old&New

Think of what the skyline would look like from this angle with a new tallest (CCH) on RWP.

This will look great from this angle and a bit weird with the tallest disjointed from the general massing from other angles. It's gonna be like the COB if it's on RWP.

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by Old&New

I'd guess most latinos are third generation by now.

What makes you think that? How would the Latino population skyrocket but most of them be third-generation?

I don't know where you live, or where you frequently travel, but the street I live on is almost entirely Hispanic, and I can guarantee that most of them are first-generation and children of first-generation parents. And most Hispanics that come into my workplace are not native to the U.S., as indicated by their accents and preference to speak Spanish.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

What makes you think that? How would the Latino population skyrocket but most of them be third-generation?

I don't know where you live, or where you frequently travel, but the street I live on is almost entirely Hispanic, and I can guarantee that most of them are first-generation and children of first-generation parents. And most Hispanics that come into my workplace are not native to the U.S., as indicated by their accents and preference to speak Spanish.

Exponentially... I've been classifying the actual immigrant as first generation, no? I'm also classifying those who were less than 18 years of age when their parents immigrated as second generation. Many second generation are now producing their own offspring (third generation) at an even higher rate than Mormon women. Also, generation gaps of hispanic/latinos are generally (for the time being) more narrow than generational gaps of caucasians. I don't doubt your experience, but not all hispanic/latinos live in Glendale/Rose Park.

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

This will look great from this angle and a bit weird with the tallest disjointed from the general massing from other angles. It's gonna be like the COB if it's on RWP.

I don't mind. Nobody complains about New York City's skyline being disjointed. What matters is the user experience downtown, not how it looks from afar.

[Scottk]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Think of what the skyline would look like from this angle with a new tallest (CCH) on RWP.

wow is that an office park?

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Exponentially... I've been classifying the actual immigrant as first generation, no? I'm also classifying those who were less than 18 years of age when their parents immigrated as second generation. Many second generation are now producing their own offspring (third generation) at an even higher rate than Mormon women. Also, generation gaps of hispanic/latinos are generally (for the time being) more narrow than generational gaps of caucasians. I don't doubt your experience, but not all hispanic/latinos live in Glendale/Rose Park.

No, the bulk of Latino kids here are either immigrants or children of immigrants. There are third generation Latinos (many are children of millennials) but there are less of them because their parents are more established here and more like other established minorities or whites, they have less kids too. So the bulk through and through are not children to parents who are either native speakers or who were taught English in public schooling. I'm seriously not sure why you are so against people having immigrant backgrounds; no one is coming to your aid in your argument because most people here seem to understand that one can say most Mexicans here are raised in Spanish speaking homes while still understanding certainly not all Mexicans are.

Originally Posted by Old&New

i don't mind. Nobody complains about New York City's skyline being disjointed. What matters is the user experience downtown, not how it looks from afar.

This is classic you. Post a picture about the skyline, someone wants to talk to you about it, avoid the conversation and contrast having an atheistic skyline with pedestrian experience. I'm less inclined to respond to your input; you don't seem like a person who likes to converse for the sake of just talking and learning. Before you freaked about a non derogatory phrase "immigrant kids" my addition to the conversation was that I expect these minority kids to grow up and flee to the suburbs like other immigrant generations before. I don't see how they will be different. It's sad because I think you contribute a lot but you seem to try and kill things you don't want to talk about, which makes you a less interesting person to be around.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

No, the bulk of Latino kids here are either immigrants or children of immigrants. There are third generation Latinos (many are children of millennials) but there are less of them because their parents are more established here and more like other established minorities or whites, they have less kids too. So the bulk through and through are not children to parents who are either native speakers or who were taught English in public schooling. I'm seriously not sure why you are so against people having immigrant backgrounds; no one is coming to your aid in your argument because most people here seem to understand that one can say most Mexicans here are raised in Spanish speaking homes while still understanding certainly not all Mexicans are.

Im not against people having immigrant backgrounds. IMO I just don't think you are being careful with your language. You are making sweeping generalizations about immigrant populations, as demonstrated in your post above. This is not necessarily a critique, just letting you know where I'm coming from, and why I reacted the way I did. I probably shouldn't have responded with the WTF emoticon.

This is classic you. Post a picture about the skyline, someone wants to talk to you about it, avoid the conversation and contrast having an atheistic skyline with pedestrian experience. I'm less inclined to respond to your input; you don't seem like a person who likes to converse for the sake of just talking and learning. Before you freaked about a non derogatory phrase "immigrant kids" my addition to the conversation was that I expect these minority kids to grow up and flee to the suburbs like other immigrant generations before. I don't see how they will be different. It's sad because I think you contribute a lot but you seem to try and kill things you don't want to talk about, which makes you a less interesting person to be around.

I like a symmetrical skyline just as much as the next person, but it's a matter of being able to change your perspective, literally. If the skyline looks lopsided, try looking at it from a different angle. Location in the sky is soooo secondary to location on the ground. We're not building cities for birds.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Scottk

wow is that an office park?

Wow, are those clouds on the horizon? Maybe if this picture were taken from higher up, we'd get a better view?



http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/01/11/us/11denver.600.jpg

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Wow, are those clouds on the horizon? Maybe if this picture were taken from higher up, we'd get a better view?



http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/01/11/us/11denver.600.jpg

Are those mountains the Appalachians? They seem about that far off in denver!

No seriously, they are talkin shit when they say SLC's mountains aren't pretty. Pretty mountains don't require a telescope to see.

[EPdesign]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

What makes you think that? How would the Latino population skyrocket but most of them be third-generation?

I don't know where you live, or where you frequently travel, but the street I live on is almost entirely Hispanic, and I can guarantee that most of them are first-generation and children of first-generation parents. And most Hispanics that come into my workplace are not native to the U.S., as indicated by their accents and preference to speak Spanish.

This is so Ignorant. I was brought here by my parents when I was five from Mexico. I am a US Citizen now. Before you talk or speak about what you think you know about another culture, understand that Latinos do have other influences that don't specifically follow the "have 2 kids after college."

1.Catholicism is a huge influence. You can't have sex unless it's for procreation.

2.We have larger families at a younger ages. This also a norm for Chicanos. We are also more family oriented, which is why college comes in second after helping our immigrant parents financially.

3. What classifies as Latinos is more vague. My Brother has 2 daughters with a white woman, which makes them Latinas. And My Sister has 4 daughter with a white Man and this makes them Latinas as well. Both my Siblings are under the age of 25.

4. Accent, limited English skills. I have been in the US since the age of five, over 20 years and my parents accents are even more distinct than mine...Many Latinos avoid interacting or developing their English because it requires having to deal with people that make stupid comments and think they are dumb. I have seen this first hand. Both my parents were university educated in Mexico but are talk down to because of their English. So they stick to their communities which doesn't require them to use English as often.

I know plenty of second generation Latinos that know Spanish better than English because it is taught at home, used in their large families of which they constantly interact with, and their neighborhoods that require Spanish over English to be used.

This forum is the last place I want to read about ignorance in the form of OPINIONS regarding Immigrants and Illegals. WHY IS THIS EVEN BEING ALLOWED! You want to talk about this topic talk about it somewhere else. This is about development, not immigration.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

This is so Ignorant. I was brought here by my parents when I was five from Mexico. I am a US Citizen now.

This forum is the last place I want to read about ignorance in the form of OPINIONS regarding Immigrants and Illegals. WHY IS THIS EVEN BEING ALLOWED! You want to talk about this topic talk about it somewhere else. This is about development, not immigration.

There is actually ignorance about immigration and Mexicans in the USA and it's a hot button issue with lots of anger. No one here is oppressing you or actually being ignorant (or at least willfully ignorant). When people on your side actually want to have a conversation about this and you ask for mods to delete it, that comes across as lame.

You and Old&New need to develop your consensus building skills. Rule one, don't alienate people on your side who you may not agree 100 percent with. I hope both of you aren't going into public service.

[EPdesign]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

There is actually ignorance about immigration and Mexicans in the USA and it's a hot button issue with lots of anger. No one here is oppressing you or actually being ignorant (are at least willfully ignorant). When people on your side actually want to have a conversation about this and you ask for mods to delete it, that comes across as lame.

You and Old&New need to develop your consensus building skills. Rule one, don't alienate people on your side who you may not agree 100 percent with. I hope both of you aren't going into public service.

This is not the forum. If they want to discuss it, do so at another location. I would expect the same when discussing the LDS issue that everyone gets heated about. you could say..... There is actually ignorance about the LDS faith and those that are LDS in Utah, and it's a hot button issue with lots of anger. No one here is oppressing you or actually being ignorant (are at least willfully ignorant.) When people on your side actually want to have a conversation about this and you ask for mods to delete it, that comes across as lame..... REGARDLESS, this is not the place

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

This is not the forum. If they want to discuss it, do so at another location. I would expect the same when discussing the LDS issue that everyone gets heated about. This is not the place.

Salt Lake City has more Mexicans than whites in public schools. How will Salt Lake be different in 20 years. That was the topic. Stop being ridiculous.

[EPdesign]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

Salt Lake City has more Mexicans than whites in public schools. How will Salt Lake be different in 20 years. That was the topic. Stop being ridiculous.

And the comment was..."I don't know where you live, or where you frequently travel, but the street I live on is almost entirely Hispanic, and I can guarantee that most of them are first-generation and children of first-generation parents. And most Hispanics that come into my workplace are not native to the U.S., as indicated by their accents and preference to speak Spanish."

I was addressing a comment that has no basis, because someone thinks that every person with and accent implies they are not native to the US. This assumption is "Ridiculous."

Maybe so you understand. I will edit my post and change "Ignorant," to "ridiculous."

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

And the comment was..."I don't know where you live, or where you frequently travel, but the street I live on is almost entirely Hispanic, and I can guarantee that most of them are first-generation and children of first-generation parents. And most Hispanics that come into my workplace are not native to the U.S., as indicated by their accents and preference to speak Spanish."

I was addressing a comment that has no basis, because someone thinks that every person with and accent implies they are not native to the US. This assumption is "Ridiculous."

The dude's saying he's surrounded by Spanish speaking households. So he might be off about them being fresh to the US, but I think he was mostly just saying, I live with a lot of people culturally different than me. How is that hateful? You probably could have more calmly explained how many are still very culturally different but established here. It's like the most benign thing to be offended by. He probably likes living and working with Mexicans and you flipping out just confirms he shouldn't ask questions to find out more about his neighbors because these conversations are off limits.

[EPdesign]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

The dude's saying he's surrounded by Spanish speaking households. So he might be off about them being fresh to the US, but I think he was mostly just saying, I live with a lot of people culturally different than me. How is that hateful? You probably could have more calmly explained how many are still very culturally different but established here. It's like the most benign thing to be offended by. He probably likes living and working with Mexicans and you flipping out just confirms he shouldn't ask questions to find out more about his neighbors because these conversations are off limits.

IT IS HIS RIDICULOUS ASSUMPTION that is RIDICULOUS...It is "ridiculous," to read what others opinions are about your culture on this forum, especially when this is not the forum dedicated to such discussion, and it is the same "ridiculous," point made every time. I sit here and read how others talk down other groups and don't say anything because those people eventually bring up the same point. THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR IT. so they move on. I made my point and I am SAYING MOVE ON FROM THIS RIDICULOUS POINT THAT IS GOING NO WHERE because people will have their opinion on this topic that I DON"T WANT TO READ ABOUT ON A FORUM I GO FOR ENJOYMENT.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

IT IS HIS RIDICULOUS ASSUMPTION that is RIDICULOUS...It is "ridiculous," to read what others opinions are about your culture on this forum, especially when this is not the forum dedicated to such discussion, and it is the same "ridiculous," point made every time. I sit here and read how others talk down other groups and don't say anything because those people eventually bring up the same point. THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR IT. so they move on. I made my point and I am SAYING MOVE ON FROM THIS RIDICULOUS POINT THAT IS GOING NO WHERE because people will have their opinion on this topic that I DON"T WANT TO READ ABOUT ON A FORUM I GO FOR ENJOYMENT.

Well, if there's one thing I've learned today it's that there are at least SOME Mexicans with as bad of a persecution complex as my Mormon persecution complex. So I guess we really aren't that different. Now let us hug.