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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 3:42 PM
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Bud, please explain...Denver has 20 related threads on the first page and Salt Lake has 20. How is that way disproportionate? Maybe I'm over simplifying it by the sheer number, but I'm sincerely interested in your point.
I think ours are more actively moving towards the top because we have more active posters. Either way. Can we just agree to not post in the lagoon thread?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 3:50 PM
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LOL, I love your sense of humor S.P.! I'm so glad your actively posting again.
     
     
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I'm glad our section (SLC, Denver, Boise) is so dang active. It's awesome. Texas sections are SLOOOOOOOOOOW. Like 1 post every couple of days (TOTAL) slow (at least in San Antonio)
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 3:57 PM
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Yeah, Interestingly here's the regional activity numbers right at the moment. Probably Austin would be the one Texas city that has a lot of the same enthusiasm that you find in the Mountain West.

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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 5:42 PM
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Children of immigrants or children who immigrated who will enter the public school system and have opportunities their parents didn't. Most our minority kids are immigrants or children of immigrants. Have you met our lovely Sudanese children in South Salt Lake? You have to leave your house to do that... A sheltered person is the type of person who would find the term "immigrant kids" offensive... The person that comes to mind is someone who processed hours upon hours of Disney Channel growing up and believed the sort of creepy 90's Disney idea that all ethnicities were secretly bland white americans hidden under different ethnic avatars. Please contribute to the conversation or stay out of it. Feigning offense over semantics when you know a person's heart is a distraction.
Please back up this statement with some statistics.

Also, how many generation do you have to go back before you're not considered a "immigrant child?"
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 5:48 PM
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I started a new job this week and this is the view I have from my new place, this is the first time I see our skyline from this angle.
Think of what the skyline would look like from this angle with a new tallest (CCH) on RWP.


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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 6:11 PM
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Please back up this statement with some statistics.

Also, how many generation do you have to go back before you're not considered a "immigrant child?"
I'd say if you are a child in a family that speaks a different language than what you are being extensively educated in, it doesn't matter if you were born here or immigrated very young, the challenges that you will encounter are pretty much the same. And instead of pretending those challenges don't exist (i.e. Disney style), you should be compassionate and aware. But again, that involves leaving your world to be a part of their world which you obviously haven't done if you don't understand that most of Salt Lake City minorities are first generation immigrants or children of first generation immigrants. Most are from Mexico and most came here post 80's. Though we also have a massive refugee population as well. Look at census figures for Latinos in Salt Lake City. We don't have a massive Black or Asian or Native American populations and our Mexican population starts to ramp up in the 90's to our second largest demographic and halt during the Great Recession. If you have even a cursory knowledge of Mexican immigration to the United States in the last 20 years this should be pretty easy to comprehend.

If you don't even know about our largest minority group in Salt Lake City, you're not going to be the most inclusive city planner or architect. You should get out more. Again until proven otherwise, to me you seem very suburban and naive about all of this.

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I'd say if you are a child in a family that speaks a different language than what you are being extensively educated in, it doesn't matter if you were born here or immigrated very young, the challenges that you will encounter are pretty much the same. And instead of pretending those challenges don't exist (i.e. Disney style), you should be compassionate and aware. But again, that involves leaving your world to be a part of their world which you obviously haven't done if you don't understand that most of Salt Lake City minorities are first generation immigrants or children of first generation immigrants. Most are from Mexico and most came here post 80's. Though we also have a massive refugee population as well. Look at census figures for Latinos in Salt Lake City. We don't have a massive Black or Asian or Native American populations and our Mexican population starts to ramp up in the 90's to our second largest demographic and halt during the Great Recession. If you have even a cursory knowledge of Mexican immigration to the United States in the last 20 years this should be pretty easy to comprehend.

If you don't even know about our largest minority group in Salt Lake City, you're not going to be the most inclusive city planner or architect. You should get out more. Again until proven otherwise, to me you seem very suburban and naive about all of this.
Klassy. Thank you for those statistics, they were very informative.
     
     
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The original pic is not mine...but it kinda looks like if 99w has been there for at least 50s when filtered.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 6:30 PM
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Klassy. Thank you for those statistics, they were very informative.
I gave you enough credit to google "Salt Lake a City demographics", but here, let me help you.

From Wikipedia:

"The Rose Park and Glendale sections are predominantly Spanish-speaking with Hispanic and Latino Americans accounting for 60% of public school-children.[66] The Centro Civico Mexicano acts as a community gathering point for the Wasatch Front's estimated 300,000 Latinos,[67] Mexican President Vicente Fox began his U.S. tour in the city in 2006. Bosnian, Sudanese, Afghan, Bantu, and Burmese immigrants have settled in the city under government programs.[68][dead link] The large Pacific Islander population, mainly Samoan and Tongan, is also centered in the Rose Park, Glendale, and Poplar Grove sectors. Most of Salt Lake City's ethnic Pacific Islanders are members of the LDS Church[69] though various Samoan and Tongan-speaking congregations are situated throughout the Salt Lake area including Samoan Congregational, Tongan Wesleyan Methodist, and Roman Catholic. Just outside of Salt Lake City limits, newer immigrant communities include Nepalis, and refugees of Karen origin from Myanmar (formerly Burma)."

From the Tribune:

Utah's Latino population soared by 78 percent during the past decade —Â growing by nearly 157,000 people to 358,000 total. That is about twice the size of Salt Lake City, according to long-awaited 2010 census data released Thursday.

In fact, the head count , taken once every 10 years, indicates that three of every 10 new Utahns who arrived by birth or immigration during the decade were Latino — and four of every 10 were minorities.

Overall, Latinos now make up 13 percent of the state's population.

"That is changing the face of Utah, so that now, one of every five Utahns [19.6 percent] are minorities," said University of Utah research economist Pam Perlich. "One of every four Utah children are also minorities, so the difference is even greater among youth."

Archie Archuleta has watched how that has changed his Glendale neighborhood in west Salt Lake City, where he has lived for 50 years.

"It went from 90 percent white and LDS to about 50 percent in just the last 10 years," said Archuleta, who is president of the Utah Coalition of La Raza. "Schools on the west side have become almost [an] Anglo minority, with the biggest percentage of the minorities being Latino."

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51307553-76/percent-utah-latino-population.html.csp


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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 6:33 PM
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Old and new....that came graphic came out great. Can't wait to see how downtown developes
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 7:02 PM
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The original pic is not mine...but it kinda looks like if 99w has been there for at least 50s when filtered.
It looks kinda space age, that's an interesting picture.

Two nights ago at Lauren hill, I was standing in a spot where trees blocked out all of the buildings in the skyline except for 99 W and the smoke / sunset made it look metallic (and not orange! Or with blue glass! Hip hip hooray!) and it was really powerful there, standing alone with the rest ignored by nature. I think the ugliest of buildings (ok, I don't like 99 W - they picked the wrong colors for an overly complicated design in a part of downtown that still has gravel coated parking lots) can be beautiful without context, and that is why a skyline is a delicate piece of art and one bad player can throw it off. I think the bad players in SLC are 1. The brown building by the CCC food court, 2. The skyline gap between 1st and 2nd south, 3. The fact that our skyline is very spread out - I don't see why people want to extend it south. Why not put taller buildings between 1st and 2nd?, and 4. The COB
     
     
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I gave you enough credit to google "Salt Lake a City demographics", but here, let me help you.

From Wikipedia:

"The Rose Park and Glendale sections are predominantly Spanish-speaking with Hispanic and Latino Americans accounting for 60% of public school-children.[66] The Centro Civico Mexicano acts as a community gathering point for the Wasatch Front's estimated 300,000 Latinos,[67] Mexican President Vicente Fox began his U.S. tour in the city in 2006. Bosnian, Sudanese, Afghan, Bantu, and Burmese immigrants have settled in the city under government programs.[68][dead link] The large Pacific Islander population, mainly Samoan and Tongan, is also centered in the Rose Park, Glendale, and Poplar Grove sectors. Most of Salt Lake City's ethnic Pacific Islanders are members of the LDS Church[69] though various Samoan and Tongan-speaking congregations are situated throughout the Salt Lake area including Samoan Congregational, Tongan Wesleyan Methodist, and Roman Catholic. Just outside of Salt Lake City limits, newer immigrant communities include Nepalis, and refugees of Karen origin from Myanmar (formerly Burma)."

From the Tribune:

Utah's Latino population soared by 78 percent during the past decade —Â growing by nearly 157,000 people to 358,000 total. That is about twice the size of Salt Lake City, according to long-awaited 2010 census data released Thursday.

In fact, the head count , taken once every 10 years, indicates that three of every 10 new Utahns who arrived by birth or immigration during the decade were Latino — and four of every 10 were minorities.

Overall, Latinos now make up 13 percent of the state's population.

"That is changing the face of Utah, so that now, one of every five Utahns [19.6 percent] are minorities," said University of Utah research economist Pam Perlich. "One of every four Utah children are also minorities, so the difference is even greater among youth."

Archie Archuleta has watched how that has changed his Glendale neighborhood in west Salt Lake City, where he has lived for 50 years.

"It went from 90 percent white and LDS to about 50 percent in just the last 10 years," said Archuleta, who is president of the Utah Coalition of La Raza. "Schools on the west side have become almost [an] Anglo minority, with the biggest percentage of the minorities being Latino."

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51307553-76/percent-utah-latino-population.html.csp


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Latino does not equal immigrant.

Tongan does not equal immigrant.

Samoan does not equal immigrant.

Minority does not equal immigrant.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 7:38 PM
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Latino does not equal immigrant.

Tongan does not equal immigrant.

Samoan does not equal immigrant.

Minority does not equal immigrant.
Correct. Race or ethnic background does not necessarily equal immigrant. Immigrations come in waves. There were Polish, Irish, Italian ect. Being an immigrant was a big part of their culture when those waves happened. Most of the Mexicans are first generation or raised by first generation parents.
     
     
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Correct. Race or ethnic background does not necessarily equal immigrant. Immigrations come in waves. There were Polish, Irish, Italian ect. Being an immigrant was a big part of their culture when those waves happened. Most of the Mexicans are first generation or raised by first generation parents.
I'd guess most latinos are third generation by now.

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Latino does not equal immigrant.

Tongan does not equal immigrant.

Samoan does not equal immigrant.

Minority does not equal immigrant.
Correct. Race or ethnic background does not necessarily equal immigrant. Immigrations come in waves. There were Polish, Irish, Italian ect. Being an immigrant was a big part of their culture when those waves happened. Most of the Mexicans are first generation or raised by first generation parents.
     
     
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I just send a message to Viperlord asking him if he could delete some of the old threads I started a while back.
I don't see the need for FantasyCon, RSL's 2009 MLS Cup and why we suck at sport finals threads. Hope that helps clear out this forum a little bit.
But I think the Lagoon thread still gets hits and people seem to enjoy it.
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The original pic is not mine...but it kinda looks like if 99w has been there for at least 50s when filtered.
99 West feels very art deco to me. When I first saw it after having been away during CCC construction, I thought it was an homage to that architecture style. I love it.
I think it was the best addition to the skyline. That's looking at Height, style, and most of all, location. Looking SE, it fills the gap. Looking north, it expands the skyline very nicely.
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I just send a message to Viperlord asking him if he could delete some of the old threads I started a while back.
I don't see the need for FantasyCon, RSL's 2009 MLS Cup and why we suck at sport finals threads. Hope that helps clear out this forum a little bit.
But I think the Lagoon thread still gets hits and people seem to enjoy it.
We might as well tag Denver's shitthreads to clean up the forum a little too.
     
     
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