Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

So I was at Glendale Golf Course and saw a sign about Salt Lake City looking into closing 1 golf course out of 4.

I just asked around to find out the 4 courses targeted. (In no order)
1-Glendale
2-Rose Park
3-Nibley
4-Forest Dale

This does not shock me that the city wants to close one of these but according to the Golf Pro's its not for development but for water rights. All though I think development will be the ultimate end.

What course would be the best to close? I would hate to see Forest Dale go it's Utah's first Golf course and the one with the most history. It hosted the greatest golfers back in the 20's through the 50's. but It is only 9 holes and will never expand.

Nibley is not far from Forest Dale and I think it's 18 holes. (Just checked it's only 9) I think that lives on just because there's not course close to it other then Forest Dale.

The two I think will get closed would be Rose Park and Glendale. Both are in less then desirable Salt Lake Neighborhoods. Rose Park has been targeted before.

Would anyone cry for the lose of any of these courses? Other then housing, what would be a nice development for the land?

[SL,UT]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

So I was at Glendale Golf Course and saw a sign about Salt Lake City looking into closing 1 golf course out of 4.

I just asked around to find out the 4 courses targeted. (In no order)
1-Glendale
2-Rose Park
3-Nibley
4-Forest Dale

This does not shock me that the city wants to close one of these but according to the Golf Pro's its not for development but for water rights. All though I think development will be the ultimate end.

What course would be the best to close? I would hate to see Forest Dale go it's Utah's first Golf course and the one with the most history. It hosted the greatest golfers back in the 20's through the 50's. but It is only 9 holes and will never expand.

Nibley is not far from Forest Dale and I think it's 18 holes. (Just checked it's only 9) I think that lives on just because there's not course close to it other then Forest Dale.

The two I think will get closed would be Rose Park and Glendale. Both are in less then desirable Salt Lake Neighborhoods. Rose Park has been targeted before.

Would anyone cry for the lose of any of these courses? Other then housing, what would be a nice development for the land?

Although I understand the need for being more water wise, I like the open green space. We all know that if they are open to development, Ivory homes or some other lame developer will build the same drab cookie cutter homes and apartments like they always do. It would be nice to leave the golf courses as open space or even convert the land into a large off leash dog park.

[Future Mayor]

I think there are options to reduce water across all courses. Reconfiguring the layout of the sprinklers and allowing the roughs to be truly rough with no water and native plant life that could greatly reduce the use of water at all the city courses, basically xeriscape the roughs.

I think it would look kind of cool with the play area so well defined, it shows that we really do live in a desert. I would be interested to find out how much water is used to keep the roughs green as opposed to xeriscaping them.

While they say it isn't being done for development, it would most likely happen and I would venture to guess that the new burbs within the city would use nearly as much water as the golf course. So while the city is reducing the amount it uses, I would guess that the overall reduction would be very minimal. You have to figure that the city waters as efficiently and effectively as possible, while most home owners don't even come close.

If one had to close I would say Nibley would be the best choice for many of the same reasons Allout..... suggested. I would hope that if one does close that the development standards would be urban in nature. Connection the streets to the existing grid, no cul-de-sacs, no dead ends, some mixed use on the major corners with some nice 3 story row house/town homes/Brownstones lining the streets, with small yards (no front yards), xeriscape at the curb and a neighborhood park for green space.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Water rights are always tricky issues and water right's are never about preserving water. Its about changing the usage of those rights. So in Glendales case they have Seven Peaks right next to them and I know that that water park is locked in with no place to go and have zero expansion of water rights. It would not surprise me that they are in the ears of the city counsel trying to get them to give up the golf course have seven peaks buy the rights up, then they can expand the water park.

But that's just a hunch. Killing green space on that land would be dumb but City operated golf courses are not that popular as they once were.

Look at Orem. Once the CEO of Vivant came to them with an offer to buy Cascade Golf Course the counsel members did everything they could to make it happen. They even told the Golf Pro's that ran the course that if they talked negative about the deal that they would be fired. So the city spins it as this great win for them but on the other side of it half the course was torn up for a 50,000 sq ft mansion and several 20,000 sq ft homes for Pedersen's family.

"Why build on a golf course? Because I'm rich"

[Stenar]

I read somewhere. I can't remember where exactly, that the city was thinking of converting a golf course into a park. WAIT! Why are we discussing SLC golf courses in the MSA thread??

[SLC Projects]

Does anybody know the name of the new apartments going in in south Jordan just east of Bingham High School? Website? Renderings? Can't seem to find anything on this.

[CountyLemonade]

Well, here's this:

Smith’s Food & Drug coming to Cottonwood Mall site
Construction » The grocer signs letter to build 78,000 square foot store.
By Mike Gorrell | The Salt Lake Tribune

Smith’s Food & Drug will build a 78,000 square-foot store at the former site of the Cottonwood Mall, the property owner, Howard Hughes Corp., said Tuesday.

Landing the store as an anchor will kick off the long-awaited redevelopment of the 57-acre site at 4800 S. Highland Drive. Except for a resilient Macy’s store on the property’s north end, the land has been stripped bare ever since General Growth Properties’ grand plans for the parcel went bankrupt in the Great Recession.

But Howard Hughes Corp., which was formed in 2010 in a bankruptcy-driven merger of two companies, said the agreement with Smith’s is a major milestone toward the realization of plans to develop a "Town Square" style mall with upscale shopping, dining, entertainment centers, commercial offices and 600 multi-family dwelling units.

"This is a pivotal first step in delivering a vibrant, open-air setting where people will enjoy the opportunity to live, work, shop, dine and play," said Howard Hughes President Grant Herlitz, pleased to be partnering with "the most respected and well established grocer in the state."

Steve Sorensen, Smith’s vice president of corporate development, said "we are looking forward to building a store in Holladay City within the dynamic Cottonwood development and offering the Smith’s shopping experience to both Cottonwood residents and the surrounding communities."

The agreement between Smith’s and Howard Hughes Corp. calls for construction of a combination food and drug store with a multi-level parking structure.
...

It'll be fascinating to see how it interfaces with its surroundings—store right up to the street with marvelous access for pedestrians and transit users is ideal. But I'm not at all optimistic.

[brankrom]

Originally Posted by CountyLemonade

Well, here's this:



It'll be fascinating to see how it interfaces with its surroundings—store right up to the street with marvelous access for pedestrians and transit users is ideal. But I'm not at all optimistic.

I don't think it could go right up against the street because of the creek. I hope it ends up being something other than a strip mall, but it is Kroger. Pretty sure we won't be seeing anything like this:



Photo linked from Howard Hughes Corporation.
http://www.howardhughes.com

[Orlando]

^^^ Nice find!

Here are more pics:

[Future Mayor]

Yeah I really don't expect it to front Highland or 4800 S but I hope that it will end up fronting the future street within the development. I also hope they incorporate some sort of transit station within the overall development, and not simply stops on Highland and 4800.

[delts145]

Construction spotlight swivels to Quinn's Junction


Two of the area's largest construction zones are at Quinn's Junction. Some of the work is highly visible to drivers along the S.R. 248 entryway and on U.S. 40. Christopher Reeves/Park Record



The movie studio and a large housing project are underway

Jay Hamburger, The Park Record

http://www.parkrecord.com/park_city-news/ci_26133142/construction-spotlight-swivels-quinns-junction

Park City's biggest concentration of construction is located in one of the city's most visible spots.

Drivers along S.R. 248 and U.S. 40 close to Quinn's Junction have nearly windshield-filling views of two major construction zones situated in close proximity to one another.


The Park City Film Studios construction is easily seen from vantages at Quinn's Junction. The studio complex is one of two large construction projects at the U.S. 40-S.R. 248 interchange. The other is the Park City Heights housing development. Christopher Reeves/Park Record

The work stretches out from the southwest corner of Quinn's Junction. Heavy machinery moving dirt and, more recently, vertical construction is easily visible.

One of the projects is the Park City Film Studios, a complex that is slated to eventually house a movie-studio complex, a hotel, an entertainment center, international film school and digital media center. The studio complex construction site is closest to S.R. 248. The other project is Park City Heights, a residential development by Ivory Homes with a mix of work force housing and market-rate units.

Construction at the studio complex site this year will include a building housing production facilities and soundstages...




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[JMK]

There was a public notice the other day from West Jordan City seeking proposals from economic development firms, with expertise in recruiting, financing and developing real estate for hospitality, retail centers, conference centers, exhibition centers, auto malls and corporate headquarter offices.

Does anyone know what part of West Jordan might get this sort of development?

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by JMK

There was a public notice the other day from West Jordan City seeking proposals from economic development firms, with expertise in recruiting, financing and developing real estate for hospitality, retail centers, conference centers, exhibition centers, auto malls and corporate headquarter offices.

Does anyone know what part of West Jordan might get this sort of development?

conference centers? Is there even a demand for that in West Jordan with the Salt Palace downtown and the Expo Center in Sandy?
Auto Mall? God no. Enough with the car dealerships already.
corporate headquarter? Sounds good to me as long as these are develop somewhere in the core of the city and not way out west near the warehouses.
I think overall the best place for this development would be around the city hall area along Redwood Road with the trax stop right there. The Jordan School district office that used to be a strip mall needs to be redevelop into taller buildings with plazas and more mix-use.

[billbillbillbill]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

conference centers? Is there even a demand for that in West Jordan with the Salt Palace downtown and the Expo Center in Sandy?
Auto Mall? God no. Enough with the car dealerships already.
corporate headquarter? Sounds good to me as long as these are develop somewhere in the core of the city and not way out west near the warehouses.
I think overall the best place for this development would be around the city hall area along Redwood Road with the trax stop right there. The Jordan School district office that used to be a strip mall needs to be redevelop into taller buildings with plazas and more mix-use.

They technically have a conference center in the new County Library that was built by the Veterans Park behind City Hall.
Sounds more like a general development analysis. Not sure where they have a lot of room to build other than along Mountain View.

[asies1981]

Today's post about new housing in Fireclay.

[delts145]

I like it, they remind me a lot of the designs going up in the Park City area.

Rendering of Birkhill town-homes by Henry Walker Homes.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by JMK

There was a public notice the other day from West Jordan City seeking proposals from economic development firms, with expertise in recruiting, financing and developing real estate for hospitality, retail centers, conference centers, exhibition centers, auto malls and corporate headquarter offices.

Does anyone know what part of West Jordan might get this sort of development?

West Jordan is putting the finishing touches on an expansion of 5600 west between 7000 S and 7800 S. hugging that road is a crazy amount of land. 100 - 200 arches.

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=S+560...awId4aRS-Q&t=h&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=15&z=15

Smiths has already started construction of a new grocery store. I am not saying this is it, but that's the the largest land parcel in West Jordan that is seeing activity right now. The only other place is the city boarder hugging Daybreak, but the West Jordan side is zoned for Industry.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

conference centers? Is there even a demand for that in West Jordan with the Salt Palace downtown and the Expo Center in Sandy?
Auto Mall? God no. Enough with the car dealerships already.
corporate headquarter? Sounds good to me as long as these are develop somewhere in the core of the city and not way out west near the warehouses.
I think overall the best place for this development would be around the city hall area along Redwood Road with the trax stop right there. The Jordan School district office that used to be a strip mall needs to be redevelop into taller buildings with plazas and more mix-use.

Jordan Landings has space for more Corporate buildings. Cyprus Credit Union and Mt America have buildings on the West side of Jordan Landing (and not credit union buildings. Four story office buildings). Jordan School Districts headquarters are mixed in there as well, plus a hotel. They have probable 5 large lots for corporate buildings left in that development.

I know back in 2007 or 2009 time frame there was talk of trying to get Airport 2 to move all it's facilities to Tooele County and develop the land for West Jordan. But no one was ever really serious ( I think). Then again the Pentagon is talking about cutting the funding for the Utah National guards helicopter division which is stationed at Airport 2 so you never know what the wind will blow.

7800 S also has quite a bit of land along it that farmers still own almost all of that is west of Redwood Road.

These West and south valley cities will develop anything and everything with no regard to weather it should work or not.

I would rather see some taller buildings going up on 5600 W and 3500 S in West Valley City. That corner has 2 very large buildings just sitting there. (Old Fresh Market and strip mall) Tear them up and build right up to the street with some height on them. That whole area is a shopping district now plus with future transit planned it could become a desirable place to work and then hop on transit for 10 minutes and be home. Just start with a 6 story office building, fill it, pre lease another one right next to it and build a 9 story building 5 or so years later. Over 20 years you could build a mini downtown and with Mt View fully built out it would be an easy access point.

Obviously my ideas are bigger then my pocket book.

[asies1981]

Post on Cottonwood Square (the Cottonwood Mall project)

[asies1981]

Originally Posted by delts145

I like it, they remind me a lot of the designs going up in the Park City area.

Rendering of Birkhill town-homes by Henry Walker Homes.

We just need more live/work units in Salt Lake so I can work from home in style, lol