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Old Posted May 23, 2014, 10:20 PM
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The Chicago comparison makes sense but its kind of a stretch, and football is the only sport that could get away with it (aside form Hockey in Canada, Footy in the UK/Europe).

Green Bay is even smaller than Regina and they have recently expanded Lambeu Field close to 70,000 and have had every game sold out for decades. Football is a event sport and very small places if they support their team can manage to fill a Stadium for 10 days out of the year.
In the comparisons we are sort of leaving out that The Riders draw from the whole province of 1.1 mill+ (though, yes, the biggest proportion in attendance are from Regina and surrounding area). Likewise, Green Bay, whose metro is bigger than Regina, has Milwaukee (metro of 1.5 mill+) and the rest of Wisconsin to draw upon (~ 6mill).
     
     
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I predict temporary end zone seating right from the get-go.
Temporary seating in a gorgeous, brand new stadium? I think not.

33-35,000 seats is perfect > that's why they chose that number.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2014, 1:41 AM
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In the comparisons we are sort of leaving out that The Riders draw from the whole province of 1.1 mill+ (though, yes, the biggest proportion in attendance are from Regina and surrounding area). Likewise, Green Bay, whose metro is bigger than Regina, has Milwaukee (metro of 1.5 mill+) and the rest of Wisconsin to draw upon (~ 6mill).
The Packers of course belong to Green Bay, but it's unlikely that the team would have survived were it not for the support of thousands of season ticket holders in Milwaukee and Madison that has sustained them for decades. It's kind of a cute idea that a small town can support a NFL team on its own, but that's a bit of a fiction... the Packers wouldn't exist but for the people of Milwaukee down the road.

On the other hand, the Riders are ALL Regina. Yeah, they get fans from all over Sask., but there is no large city two hours away propping the team up. That is pretty unique.
     
     
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^And let's not forget revenue sharing, of course > probably the biggest factor in what makes the NFL, and Green Bay in particular, so unique.
     
     
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There's a growing trend in the CFL to build stadiums in the 26-35k capacity range with the option to add temporary seating for the Grey Cup.
Yes, but it's still important to tailor things to one's market. Quite a few people think they low balled it far too much. This is unlike any other football market in the country. Couple that with a city that's encountering huge population growth and they might never configure this at 33,000.

I'm in the camp that would have preferred 38,000 - 40,000 permanent seats expandable to 50,000. This ain't Toronto.
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The Packers of course belong to Green Bay, but it's unlikely that the team would have survived were it not for the support of thousands of season ticket holders in Milwaukee and Madison that has sustained them for decades. It's kind of a cute idea that a small town can support a NFL team on its own, but that's a bit of a fiction... the Packers wouldn't exist but for the people of Milwaukee down the road.

On the other hand, the Riders are ALL Regina. Yeah, they get fans from all over Sask., but there is no large city two hours away propping the team up. That is pretty unique.
Serious? If the "rest" of the province stopped supporting the Riders they would fold like a deck of cards. You obviously don't have one iota of information regarding the Riders and the dynamics behind the team. Think what you like but there is a huge reason the team is call Saskatchewn Roughriders. They belong to the province.
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Old Posted May 24, 2014, 5:50 AM
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Serious? If the "rest" of the province stopped supporting the Riders they would fold like a deck of cards. You obviously don't have one iota of information regarding the Riders and the dynamics behind the team. Think what you like but there is a huge reason the team is call Saskatchewn Roughriders. They belong to the province.
To add... The Riders don't have the 3rd highest merch sales of all Canadian professional teams (NHL, CFL, MLB, NBA, etc) and over 50% of CFL merch because of just Reginans... (was the case a while ago, haven't heard that it's changed).

If it were just Regina, the Riders would probaby be as strong as the Eastern teams... maybe a little stronger, but definitely the weakest of the West.
     
     
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Great looking stadium for the Riders.

I much prefer this to the early proposal renders. Looks like lots of concourse space in various places where you can still see the field, and the tiered "loge seating" is an interesting concept. I also like the translucent paneling for the roof.
     
     
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Serious? If the "rest" of the province stopped supporting the Riders they would fold like a deck of cards. You obviously don't have one iota of information regarding the Riders and the dynamics behind the team. Think what you like but there is a huge reason the team is call Saskatchewn Roughriders. They belong to the province.
Over 70% of ticket holders are from Regina.

Regina is also the only municipality contributing to this project. It's Regina's team and Regina's stadium with support from the rest of the province. It isn't anywhere close to Green Bay's dependence on the rest of Wisconsin.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2014, 5:29 PM
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Serious? If the "rest" of the province stopped supporting the Riders they would fold like a deck of cards. You obviously don't have one iota of information regarding the Riders and the dynamics behind the team. Think what you like but there is a huge reason the team is call Saskatchewn Roughriders. They belong to the province.
You totally missed my point.
     
     
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Temporary seating in a gorgeous, brand new stadium? I think not.

33-35,000 seats is perfect > that's why they chose that number.
Yes, I agree with what you are saying; however, if you knew Rider Nation like we do here in SK, you wouldn't be at all surprised to see [over capacity] attendees at our facility relatively soon after its debut - and that's a definite possibility. (And why not, we'll suddenly have large stadium-related bills to pay here.)
     
     
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Regina stadium design unveiled
Regina's $278-million stadium to be ready for 2017 football season
CBC News May 22, 2014

After months of anticipation, the design for the new home of the Saskatchewan Roughriders has been unveiled. The stadium does not have a full roof, but the building features sweeping lines and a design that architects say will cut down dramatically on wind.

The new city-owned building will continue to carry the name Mosaic Stadium for the next 20 years.

Slated to open in 2017, it will be double the size of the old stadium at 48,483 square metres, but will seat slightly fewer people. The features include:

- A total capacity of 33,000 seats, expandable to 40,000 (the current stadium seats 33,327).
- 50 cm seats in the stands, about 5 cm wider than those in the old stadium.
- Nine elevators.
- Five entry points,
- 200 concessions.
- 38 bathrooms (the current stadium has 22).

Architects say the design, which features a curved roof designed to handle Saskatchewan snowfalls, will also cut down on the effects of prevailing winds.

"We have opened the last three very successful stadiums in the NFL and I will put this design pound for pound with anything that we have done," Mark Williams of HKS Sports and Entertainment, a U.S.-based architectural firm, said Thursday at the unveiling event in Regina.

Officials at the unveiling said they expect positive reactions to the design.

"Once we get into this stadium, people are going to say 'I love it,"' predicted Roughriders president and CEO Jim Hopson. "I love the fact that it is outdoors still, but we're getting some protection from the wind, from the driving rain and so on."

Construction is to begin in June with a completion target of August 2016. Officials said a number of trial events would be held in the building before being put into full operation, at full capacity, in 2017.

Cost of stadium remains fixed

The $278-million stadium was announced in July of 2012 and will be built on the city's exhibition grounds, known as Evraz Place.

Money for the 33,000-seat facility will come from:

- $80 million grant from the province of Saskatchewan.
- $73 million from the city of Regina.
- $25 million generated by such things as naming rights, to be coordinated by the Saskatchewan Roughriders Football Club.
- $100 million loan, from the province, to be paid down over 30 years through a $12 per ticket facility fee tacked onto each football game or any other event at the new stadium.

Regina taxpayers will see regular annual increases to their property taxes in order to generate money for the city's contribution to the construction tab.

Officials have repeatedly promised the stadium will be built on time and within the construction budget.

Deputy city manager Brent Sjoberg says if costs rise, some elements of the stadium design will be adjusted to keep within the budget.

Officials have also insisted the facility be roof-ready. They said Thursday that adding a retractable roof, at a later date, would cost $350 million. A fixed roof would cost $200 million.

Marlene Stanicky, a long time Rider fan who checked out the design Thursday morning, liked what she saw and was hopeful a roof would be added.

"I won't have to put up with as much wind and I'll have an individual seat," Stanicky noted. "And hopefully before it's finished being built they'll have a roof on it."

The current facility, Mosaic Stadium, will be demolished once the new facility is open. The city plans to redevelop the land into a mix of residential and other uses.
     
     
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Regina’s new stadium to put city "on the international stage" (with video)
Natascia Lypny, The Leader-Post May 22, 2014

REGINA - There’s at least one similarity between Regina’s new football stadium and the city’s current facility: the name.

On Thursday, the City of Regina released the first look at the designs for the new $278-million stadium, which will be called Mosaic Stadium after the company that shares its name extended its 20-year naming rights deal.

Outside of that carry-over, the new stadium will be a “completely different experience,” said Mayor Michael Fougere.

The design involves a sunken lower bowl (which will cover 68 per cent of the stadium’s 33,000 seats), a translucent spectator roof, an open south end zone, individual seats (with backs, armrests and cup holders) and a general admission lounge on the west side.

Climatic response is a key component of the design, with the building constructed to cut down on cold northwest winds that can sweep the current stadium with a bitter chill.

Seating will be expandable to 40,000, and lounges and concourses will be available on non-event days. For the first time, people will be able to walk the entire concourse in one loop.

The designer behind the new stadium, Mark Williams of HKS Architects, said the stadium compares “pound for pound” with the company’s other projects, which include three NFL stadiums: Lucas Oil, AT&T and the under-construction Minnesota Multipurpose.

Williams said he was introduced to Rider Nation five years ago when he attended a Saskatchewan Roughriders game in Regina. While designing, he kept the interests and passion of the fan base close at heart, hoping to convey the “raw energy” of Rider Nation in the build.

Although the Credit Union EventPlex, where the design announcement was made, was speckled with the green and white garb of eager Rider fans, Fougere was quick to emphasize that the stadium is more than the home of the Riders; it’s the “catalyst” of the Regina Revitalization Initiative, the city’s largest redevelopment project to date.

“This is the first in the larger puzzle of developing all of downtown.”

Kevin Doherty, minister of parks, culture and sport, was singing the same tune. He extolled the stadium’s role as a premier event-hosting location that will hopefully act as a tourism magnet.

“It puts us on the international stage.”

It’s the kind of transformation for Evraz Place CEO Mark Allan never thought he’d see on the grounds.

Allan said the facility is not only aesthetically pleasing but also offers loading docks and space for catering. He is also encouraged by the improvements to the parking lots — including 100 more spaces — and lighting on the property.

The Riders won’t be the only ones featured on the stadium turf. In July, Sask Sport signed a $75-million, 30-year lease agreement with the city for 10,000 square feet of office space and access to the field for 600 hours a year.

“It’s just going to be a real treat to be in a first-class facility like that and give our amateur athletes a real good opportunity to perform their best,” said Paul Barnby, assistant general manager at Sask Sport.

Not everyone was thrilled with the stadium announcement, though. Colin Craig, prairie director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, denounced the project’s $278-million cost. That’s $80 million from the provincial government; $73 million from the City of Regina; another $100 million covered through a provincial loan to the city; and $25 million from the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

“Governments can always spend taxpayers’ money and come up with wonderful-looking designs for projects,” Craig said. “Our concern is always in terms of the process. And in this case, taxpayers weren’t given the opportunity to, at the very least, vote on the stadium proposal.”

The City of Regina has signed a fixed price contract with PCL Construction, meaning that cost overruns and delays will fall on the company.

Because of this contract and the strict financing and schedule conditions of the project, the detailed plans for the construction will be made concurrently with the build.

Excavation and piling is set to begin in the next two months. The stadium is expected to be mostly completed by August 2016.

By the numbers, and compared to other new Canadian stadiums:

Mosaic Stadium (Regina)

Cost: $278.2 million
Seating capacity: 33,000 (expandable to 40,000)
Construction timeline: 2014 to 2017
Restrooms: 38 (861 fixtures)
Elevators: 9
Sunken playing field: 11 metres deep; 300,000 cubic metres of excavated soil (equivalent to 110 olympic sized swimming pools).
Canopy: covers 50 to 60 per cent of seats
Stadium size: 48,483 square metres
Video boards: 2
Longest row of seats: 28
Entrance points: 5
Sets of ramps: 2
Concession points of sale: 200
Seat size: 50 to 60 centimetres wide
Luxury suites: 2 levels (38 suites, 610 seats in total)
Field orientation: North-south

Investors Group Field (Winnipeg)

Cost: $205 million (could climb to $208 million)
Seating capacity: 33,500 (expandable to 40,000)
Construction timeline: 2010 to 2013
Restrooms: 28
Elevators: 6
Sunken playing field: 7 metres deep
Canopy: Covers 80 per cent of seats

Tim Hortons Field (Hamilton)

Cost: $145.7 million
Seating capacity: 24,000 (expandable to 35,000)
Construction timeline: 2012/2013 to 2014
Restrooms: Number unknown
Elevators: 6
Sunken playing field: No
Canopy: No
Entrance points: 4
Field orientation: North-south
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2014, 9:21 PM
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Over 70% of ticket holders are from Regina.

Regina is also the only municipality contributing to this project. It's Regina's team and Regina's stadium with support from the rest of the province. It isn't anywhere close to Green Bay's dependence on the rest of Wisconsin.
70% of our 26,700 season ticket count would make us the weakest Western Team at 18,690 season tickets, and if only merch sales to Reginans were considered, probably a completely normal merch total compared to other teams. So those things together, would mean that we would probably be in line with Eastern Teams, maybe slightly better, i.e. back to the 90s when we held telethons to keep the team alive (which again involved the entire province, I remember, I was in Saskatoon).

And why would a municipality fund infrastructure being built in another city? That is a completely invalid argument. People from other parts of the province are funding this stadium through their provincial taxes though, with a $100 million loan which is to be paid back with a $12 surcharge on tickets (which are not just bought by Reginans, and an $80 mill grant. Not to mention that Sask Sport is taking some space in the stadium, and through their rent, will help pay for maintenance and upkeep for years to come.

This stadium and team could not survive without the whole province (and expats) contributing. Lets not kid ourselves here.
     
     
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Over 70% of ticket holders are from Regina.
Exactly.
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Old Posted May 24, 2014, 9:28 PM
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Exactly.
No, not exactly. See my post above... Plus, the $100 mill loan to be paid by with a surcharge on tickets would never be paid back if only Regina ticket buyers were contributing. Without the whole province, we'd have, at best, a Tim Horton's Field... West. i.e. Completely underwhelming compared to what we can achieve with the support of the entire province.
     
     
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Yes, but it's still important to tailor things to one's market. Quite a few people think they low balled it far too much. This is unlike any other football market in the country. Couple that with a city that's encountering huge population growth and they might never configure this at 33,000.

I'm in the camp that would have preferred 38,000 - 40,000 permanent seats expandable to 50,000. This ain't Toronto.
The trend in sports is to scale back seating. The Eskimos likely have the same ticket demand as Regina but will never make as much money on the gate for the fact that they always will have extra seats except for some special matchups and games. Look what happens to Montreal when they gambled to increase seas and have yet to sell it because of it. They literally ofer estimates their market to a few hindered seats and this haven't sold out in 2-3 seasons from a prior Lon standing league record prior. Supply and demand always wins. The Riders low balling seats relative to demand maintains they can always charge high amounts for tickets. I suspect tickets will jump up quite a bit just as they did in Winnipeg.
     
     
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Yes, I agree with what you are saying; however, if you knew Rider Nation like we do here in SK, you wouldn't be at all surprised to see [over capacity] attendees at our facility relatively soon after its debut - and that's a definite possibility. (And why not, we'll suddenly have large stadium-related bills to pay here.)
Sure. It'll be hard for the Riders to resist adding seats right off the hop. That's a lot of dough.
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 12:33 AM
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The trend in sports is to scale back seating. The Eskimos likely have the same ticket demand as Regina but will never make as much money on the gate for the fact that they always will have extra seats except for some special matchups and games. Look what happens to Montreal when they gambled to increase seas and have yet to sell it because of it. They literally ofer estimates their market to a few hindered seats and this haven't sold out in 2-3 seasons from a prior Lon standing league record prior. Supply and demand always wins. The Riders low balling seats relative to demand maintains they can always charge high amounts for tickets. I suspect tickets will jump up quite a bit just as they did in Winnipeg.
The Riders are in a bit of a tough position for that. They are seen as part of the community/culture, and if they artificially restrict capacity in order to increase prices, as loved as they are, there will be backlash. Part of the reason they are doing so well is because they have ingrained themselves into the identity of the place. A jump in price would threaten that.
     
     
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Looks like Brazil is going to put the country into bankruptcy with its stadium building program.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=127713&page=15
all the stadiums are less than one month of the education budget in Brazil.
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