Atlanta Project Thread IV

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by teejay

Renderings released for the planned Novare tower at West Peachtree & 14th (although it seems like West Peachtree & 13th is more accurate, since only the parking garage abuts 14th)


Atl. Bus Chron

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_talk/2014/05/novare-reveals-latest-midtown-tower.html

Nice! I wonder what tower that is in the background?

[smArTaLlone]

Here are a couple more

[teejay]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Nice! I wonder what tower that is in the background?

Which one? All the ones in the picture are already in existence, from left to right: One Atlantic's little sibling, One Atlantic, rendering of this tower, Promenade, Four Seasons, 1180 Peachtree.

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by teejay

Which one? All the ones in the picture are already in existence, from left to right: One Atlantic's little sibling, One Atlantic, rendering of this tower, Promenade, Four Seasons, 1180 Peachtree.

I guess because it looks nothing like the Four seasons I forgot about it for a minute. :

[thebigATL]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

I guess because it looks nothing like the Four seasons I forgot about it for a minute. :

Same here.

[trainiac]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Interesting, trainiac! Wonder if the Charlie G in question was George Watson? He and Don Sharp and Pete Peck all started out in the old Underground, and then sort of divided up their empire. At one point they owned the Brandy House, the Library, the Bucket Shop, Alexander's Eagle and several other places.

Don died several years ago, just a couple of weeks after the Brandy House closed. Those were the days.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/atlanta/obituary.aspx?n=don-sharp&pid=16399296

I only know Ward G (Gober, I think) -- his dad was Charlie. He still owns NHP and the "new" Bucket Shop up on Lenox Rd. Good guy and huge Auburn fan. I think he was involved in the downtown version of the Bucket Shop (where all of the newspaper guys used to hang out) but that information has been carefully removed from my brain. If you google "lewis grizzard bucket shop", there should be some pertinent links

[smArTaLlone]

After the initial excitement, I realized that 1163 W Peachtree is the love-child of The Atlantic and Skyhouse South. I still like it and think it will be a great addition to Midtown. Its nice to see something with some architectural detail at the street level.

[daharris80]

New rendering and site plan for the State Farm campus in Dunwoody:

[simms3_redux]

Jeez how many varieties of Skyhouse does Atlanta need? This will be #4. I hope they don't make that garage look cheap, or like a plasticky complement to OAC, 14th St is too major of a street in Atlanta for crap.

I like that proposal for State Farm...definitely real TOD there

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

Jeez how many varieties of Skyhouse does Atlanta need? This will be #4. I hope they don't make that garage look cheap, or like a plasticky complement to OAC, 14th St is too major of a street in Atlanta for crap.

I like that proposal for State Farm...definitely real TOD there

Considering that Novare is an Atlanta company I would expect that there will be many Skyhouse varieties here. There are currently 10 Skyhouse developments under construction, and 2 of them are in Atlanta for a total of 3. There are lots of Novare buildings that are Skyhouse-looking.

[simms3_redux]

^^^Sounds like you're trying to be antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic. I'd hardly call that an argument for design repetition and recycling, and I'm quite familiar with all of the other Skyhouses out there (both Dallas and Houston now have two each rising as well).

This design recycles both features from the Atlantic and from all the Skyhouse developments. I was personally hoping for something a bit more from Atlanta's homegrown residential developer for such a prominent site. Something that's a bit higher quality and bold, not just catering to the $2psf rental market like the dozen or so other towers of this era. It's in the 30+ floor range on 14th St, which means it makes an impact. Across the street is a Phillip Johnson/Burgee designed office tower, with one from Pickard Chilton a block away and 3 Architectonica towers possibly to rise catty corner to this site. Why does Atlanta's homegrown firm have to be the cheap ones on the block?

It is because of this that in at least one case Novare wasn't chosen to develop (in partnership) another Midtown site, because the worry was that the market wouldn't respond as favorably to "another Skyhouse" as it would to something fresh and interesting. An outside developer was selected and the design will certainly be different from other buildings in the area.

My main concerns for this proposal are the materials. It actually doesn't look terrible in these renderings, but I think we can all imagine that it will turn out to be very very cheap looking. I think we can all expect that garage to be quite hideous as a final product.

Someone remind me, the Novare Twelve Midtown proposal was for the site across West Peachtree from this one, right?

[joecool]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

^^^Sounds like you're trying to be antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic. I'd hardly call that an argument for design repetition and recycling, and I'm quite familiar with all of the other Skyhouses out there (both Dallas and Houston now have two each rising as well).

This design recycles both features from the Atlantic and from all the Skyhouse developments. I was personally hoping for something a bit more from Atlanta's homegrown residential developer for such a prominent site. Something that's a bit higher quality and bold, not just catering to the $2psf rental market like the dozen or so other towers of this era. It's in the 30+ floor range on 14th St, which means it makes an impact. Across the street is a Phillip Johnson/Burgee designed office tower, with one from Pickard Chilton a block away and 3 Architectonica towers possibly to rise catty corner to this site. Why does Atlanta's homegrown firm have to be the cheap ones on the block?

It is because of this that in at least one case Novare wasn't chosen to develop (in partnership) another Midtown site, because the worry was that the market wouldn't respond as favorably to "another Skyhouse" as it would to something fresh and interesting. An outside developer was selected and the design will certainly be different from other buildings in the area.

My main concerns for this proposal are the materials. It actually doesn't look terrible in these renderings, but I think we can all imagine that it will turn out to be very very cheap looking. I think we can all expect that garage to be quite hideous as a final product.

Someone remind me, the Novare Twelve Midtown proposal was for the site across West Peachtree from this one, right?

I would think they'd want to use the same materials as they did for the Atlantic which I think look great. They're going to want to impress with it being this corner. I think it'll look fine in person.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by trainiac

I think he was involved in the downtown version of the Bucket Shop (where all of the newspaper guys used to hang out) but that information has been carefully removed from my brain. If you google "lewis grizzard bucket shop", there should be some pertinent links

The old Bucket Shop (and its progeny) were great. Hate to show my age but I bent many an elbow there. When everybody was downtown you'd get a great mix of news people, businessmen, detectives, judges and lawyers, athletes, raconteurs, and so forth.

[RocketSurgeon]

Some zoning updates on projects mentioned earlier (recommendations to the city from the review board):

http://www.atlantaga.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=14160

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Atlanta-based Newport Development LLC recently submitted a request to rezone 464 Bishop St. from industrial to high-density residential for a 232-unit development.

The site was once home to drywall and acoustical ceilings supply company Capitol Materials Inc., before it relocated to a facility on Marietta Boulevard.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...restarts-industrial-rezoning-debate.html

Denied. Looks like Newport's options will probably be 1) abandoning the project, 2) finding another site, or 3) adding a commercial component.

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

Looks like we might have some big news coming about Home Park:

http://citycouncil.atlantaga.gov/2014/images/proposed/14O1215.pdf

Pollack Shores is seeking zoning to build 360 apartments on 14th at Mecaslin (across from the mosque).

That area is really on fire. Atlantic Station's presence is finally paying off.

Deferred due to application errors.

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

Here's something else interesting:

http://www.atlantaga.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=13846

It looks like someone wants approval for a hotel and retail at 380 14th St, across from where those new apartments would be going. I'm not sure what the actual plan is. I assume it would be new construction

Deferred due to application changes.

[PremierAtlanta]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

^^^Sounds like you're trying to be antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic. I'd hardly call that an argument for design repetition and recycling, and I'm quite familiar with all of the other Skyhouses out there (both Dallas and Houston now have two each rising as well).

This design recycles both features from the Atlantic and from all the Skyhouse developments. I was personally hoping for something a bit more from Atlanta's homegrown residential developer for such a prominent site. Something that's a bit higher quality and bold, not just catering to the $2psf rental market like the dozen or so other towers of this era. It's in the 30+ floor range on 14th St, which means it makes an impact. Across the street is a Phillip Johnson/Burgee designed office tower, with one from Pickard Chilton a block away and 3 Architectonica towers possibly to rise catty corner to this site. Why does Atlanta's homegrown firm have to be the cheap ones on the block?

It is because of this that in at least one case Novare wasn't chosen to develop (in partnership) another Midtown site, because the worry was that the market wouldn't respond as favorably to "another Skyhouse" as it would to something fresh and interesting. An outside developer was selected and the design will certainly be different from other buildings in the area.

My main concerns for this proposal are the materials. It actually doesn't look terrible in these renderings, but I think we can all imagine that it will turn out to be very very cheap looking. I think we can all expect that garage to be quite hideous as a final product.

Someone remind me, the Novare Twelve Midtown proposal was for the site across West Peachtree from this one, right?

I have to agree. Especially when one considers that this will be Novare's 4th apartment tower in the city of Atlanta.

I also agree with Simms that such a prominent location, near some of Atlanta's most striking buildings, deserves more variance. One would expect Novare to use this as a showcase or flagship location. Visually, I think the top of the Atlantic in Atlantic Station is more appealing. All in all, I am happy to see more residential. I am also okay with this design. I would be remiss however if I did not admit that I expected something a little more "stunning".

I have high hopes that Novare will take every effort to make the materials of this proposal more in keeping with One Atlantic Center. From the street level, this proposal is a vast improvement over what is currently there.

[smArTaLlone]

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...erties-plans-tower-near-atlanta-fed.html

While Post Properties Inc. plows ahead on a 19-story apartment tower overlooking Buckhead’s Phipps Plaza, it’s considering two more projects in Midtown and downtown.
Atlanta-based Post presented plans May 13 to the Midtown Development Review Committee for a 23-story tower with 325 units. Called Post Millennium, it would sit behind the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta at 11th Street and Peachtree Walk.
Post also could revive its long-delayed apartment project near downtown’s Ivan Allen Plaza, according to sources familiar with the company’s plans. Called Post Centennial Park, it would have around 400 u

nits.


Post Millennium

[smArTaLlone]

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...planned-homewood-suites-to-have-125.html

A hospitality developer that’s helped transform downtown Atlanta is among the first to propose new apartments there.
Atlanta-based Legacy Property Group LLC looks to add 125 apartments to its planned 129-key Homewood Suites by Hilton hotel (a project announced last September).
“It’s a bit pioneering,” said David Marvin, founder and president of Legacy Property Group. “But, the character of our company is that we’ve been willing to take bets on downtown before.”

[simms3_redux]

There are SOOO many proposals in Atlanta. I hope at least 1/3 of them come to fruition. Is State Farm bringing a lot of jobs for young professionals to the area? What is fueling the Midtown apartment boom? I know PCM office is practically leased up and that is easily a fuel for the Beltline apartment boom, but how is office vacancy in Midtown and Downtown?

[Ant131531]

Midtown does have MARTA which is pretty huge. Even if people have jobs in Perimeter, they can live in Midtown and take MARTA to their job.

People can live in Midtown and have jobs elsewhere. Just like people in the suburbs have jobs in high job density cores, yet live 40 minutes from where they work.

[Ant131531]

I mean, it's kind of like SF/San Jose right? Many people live on the SF peninsula, yet take shuttle to San Jose...